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Post by lonewolf on Dec 12, 2009 3:08:07 GMT
My own personal opinion is that prostitution should not be a crime and that the state should have no power to regulate the sex lives of consenting adults. It is my position that if a woman wants to sell her body and a man wants to pay for her sexual services it should be nobody’s business but theirs. Below is a link to “100 Countries and Their Prostitution Policies” prostitution.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=000772
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Dec 12, 2009 7:01:33 GMT
Legal prostitution is much safer than the inevitable illegal prostitution, which arises when it's outlawed. Prostitution is legal in Germany and those, who choose this so-called "oldest profession" are checked every week for veneral diseases. Some studies suggest that crimes such as rape, etc. decline, when sex can be legally purchased.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2009 7:57:03 GMT
Yet elsewhere I've read of studies that (apparently) conclude that legal prostitution leads to more men seeking it out, and sourcing the cheaper options - inevitably, the trafficked women and heroin-addicted street walkers.
I suppose you pays yer money and you takes yer choice!
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Post by lonewolf on Dec 12, 2009 7:58:18 GMT
Some studies suggest that crimes such as rape, etc. decline, when sex can be legally purchased. Well, I suppose I could do some research on it and see. I know that Sweden has a lot of pretty women and a lot of horny Arab immigrants who can’t legally purchase sex so it doesn’t really surprise me that rape is on the increase there. www.thelocal.se/19102/20090427/
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Post by lonewolf on Dec 12, 2009 8:01:59 GMT
I've read of studies that (apparently) conclude that legal prostitution leads to more men seeking it out, and sourcing the cheaper options - inevitably, the trafficked women and heroin-addicted street walkers. Gotta link?
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Post by june on Dec 12, 2009 10:55:20 GMT
I am conflicted here.
Whilst I know that adults should be able to make a personal choice without fear of legal recourse I also know that many people taking up prostitution do not have the skills or life experience to enable them to make that choice knowingly or freely.
Generally prostitution is a nasty nasty business and the vulnerability of many of the prostitutes is conveniently ignored over the 'right' of monied people to get their jollies without emotional commitment.
Even if you had Government sponsored sex houses you wouldn't remove street walkers or the more exploitative element.
I guess I would prefer a targeting of pimps and johns rather than the prostitutes themselves.
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Post by mikemarshall on Dec 12, 2009 12:05:48 GMT
It is always good to hear an admission by a member that he or she is ambivalent about a moral dilemma.
In principle, I am a libertarian and feel that consensual behaviour between adults is not the business of the law.
On the other hand, I am well aware that the two principal reasons why women enter prostitution are economic poverty and drug addiction.
If we could redress the economic imbalance to eliminate the need for such actions and if we adopted a radically different approach to the problem of drug dependency we could drastically reduce the extent of prostitution.
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 12, 2009 12:12:44 GMT
Legal prostitution is much safer than the inevitable illegal prostitution, which arises when it's outlawed. Prostitution is legal in Germany and those, who choose this so-called "oldest profession" are checked every week for veneral diseases. Some studies suggest that crimes such as rape, etc. decline, when sex can be legally purchased. obviously, if it were properly controlled, it would not be a problem. however, it wouldn't affect rape. rape has nothing to do with sex. it is totally a power trip, with sex used as the weapon. a rapist would rape the prostitute
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Post by lonewolf on Dec 12, 2009 22:19:01 GMT
I guess I would prefer a targeting of pimps and johns rather than the prostitutes themselves. Unlike my fellow Americans I'm a cold realist and I know very well that targeting the “Johns” will accomplish absolutely nothing positive nor will outlawing prostitution. Prohibition didn’t keep people from drinking nor did the laws against the use of cannabis prevent people from using it. So if you really and truly believe that by passing some ridiculous law targeting the Johns that you are going to stop some horny male from paying for sex then you’re just as naïve and simplistic as can be.
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Post by june on Dec 13, 2009 0:05:06 GMT
I guess I would prefer a targeting of pimps and johns rather than the prostitutes themselves. Unlike my fellow Americans I'm a cold realist and I know very well that targeting the “Johns” will accomplish absolutely nothing positive nor will outlawing prostitution. Prohibition didn’t keep people from drinking nor did the laws against the use of cannabis prevent people from using it. So if you really and truly believe that by passing some ridiculous law targeting the Johns that you are going to stop some horny male from paying for sex then you’re just as naïve and simplistic as can be. never presented my comment to be the ultimate answer, and I definitely did not suggest only targeting johns, pimps were in there too - but hey - Paying for sex is illegal - why not arrest those criminals?
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Dec 13, 2009 0:42:52 GMT
This might seem a little crude but I think great sex only happens when you have two willing participants who are both really enjoying it. One person simply 'servicing' the other just doesn't ring my chime. The best part of seduction is getting your partner really excited and having a shared experience that's special. So let's say a guy is on a business trip to Amsterdam where they have very attractive young women displaying their wares in store windows. I believe they call them Window Girls. They beckon to passers by and offer their bodies to anyone who will pay. So the guy gets the girl and the girl (or her pimp) gets the money. Is that really having sex? Or is that just a form of masturbation? I suppose a bit more exciting than reading Penhouse Magazine but not really the same thing as having sex with a loving partner. On the other side of the argument, I can see a benefit in certain instances. Let's say you are the ugliest man alive. You have a normal sex drive but women find you repugnant when they even look at you. What to do? What to do? In a case like that I think it makes sense. But then the reverse of that argument is well illustrated by the escapades of Governor of New York State as summarized here: www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/nyregion/10cnd-spitzer.html Spitzer had a great position as Governor of the state of New York. He has an attractive wife. He has millions of $$ in the bank. So naturally he throws it all away by becoming involved with a ring of high priced call girls. Go figure.
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Post by lonewolf on Dec 13, 2009 2:06:26 GMT
This might seem a little crude but I think great sex only happens when you have two willing participants who are both really enjoying it. One person simply 'servicing' the other just doesn't ring my chime. The questions was, “Should Prostitution be legalized?” and not about what, or what does not, ring your chimes. Let's say you are the ugliest man alive. You have a normal sex drive but women find you repugnant when they even look at you. What to do? What to do? You go here www.realdoll.com/ because if you’re really that ugly no prostitute will sleep with you.
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Post by Tart on Dec 13, 2009 2:30:14 GMT
Sweden has swung from acceptance to assuming that every client knows the woman is reluctantly trafficked even though the UK at least has produced no evidence of any prostitutes trafficked against their will. However, there is proof that such exist even if they cant be proven to formal legal requirements.
My own feeling is that intercourse without the other's equal 'desire' or caring how she feels about it is tantamount to rape but sailing just on the right side of the wind. The man who looks on a woman as a provider of sex for himself without caring how she feels about it as long as he can browbeat her into giving consent to make it legally acceptable today is the man liable to use illegal pressure or just plain force for the same service tomorrow. Strangely, it is women who most support this kind of social rape, especially when they call themselves feminists.
I can't condemn prostitution outright. I can criticise both the attitude of men to think of sex as for themselves and not shared, and of women to see it 'traditionally' as a service for sale to men that women are too superior to the coarse masculine world to enjoy. There can be sexual thrills that anybody with love and respect for their lover knows they do not enjoy, so might sek them elsewhere. I find it personally humiliating if I thought I wanted some kink so weird, or I was so repulsive, that I could only get it by paying.
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Post by Tart on Dec 13, 2009 2:45:37 GMT
But if I had known forty years ago what I know know or either been a woman o women treat men equally, I would have made my money in five or ten years as a prostitute charging £100 and more per hour and lived my life in freedom thereafter instead of having to grovel to obey employers and suppress any independence. Who could earn that sort of money and have that sort of freedom then except for a whore?
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Post by lonewolf on Dec 13, 2009 3:00:22 GMT
Paying for sex is illegal - why not arrest those criminals? For what purpose?
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Post by june on Dec 13, 2009 9:57:47 GMT
Paying for sex is illegal - why not arrest those criminals? For what purpose? same reason we arrest other criminals, to deter, to punish etc.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 10:11:07 GMT
I've read of studies that (apparently) conclude that legal prostitution leads to more men seeking it out, and sourcing the cheaper options - inevitably, the trafficked women and heroin-addicted street walkers. Gotta link? Oh dear - I read the research in one of two boards I used to inhabit - one I left because they didn't like my views and told me so in rather offensive terms - the other has just folded. I'll have to look at some feminist sites. But I was not mentioning this "report" as an endorsement of its truth; merely to illustrate that anyone can produce "proof" to back their cherished belief if they try hard enough. June, paying for sex hasn't been made illegal, has it? I thought it was only advertising services, pimping and kerb-crawling that are illegal - in the UK at least.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 10:35:16 GMT
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Post by lonewolf on Dec 13, 2009 17:46:14 GMT
same reason we arrest other criminals, to deter, to punish etc. I see, so you actually think that you are going to deter the Johns from paying for sex if you start arresting them. Seriously, do you really and truly believe that?
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Post by june on Dec 13, 2009 18:03:54 GMT
As I posted earlier LW - I have no idea. Legalisation won't 'work' until prostitutes are not coerced into 'working'.
At the moment in the UK prostitution is illegal and therefore those breaking the law should be punished - otherwise what is the point in the law? If there is no point in the law - then get a better alternative, but I haven't seen anyone suggest one yet.
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