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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 6, 2010 17:17:32 GMT
I live on the edge of the French Basque region and see no reason why the French and Spanish cannot get together and give them an autonomous state like Catalonia or a separate country in the EU. There is no frontier anymore and we have the same currency. They have their own language but so does cataluña. Well said. I don't know enough about Spanish politics and history to fully understand why they are so virulently opposed to it. Yet they are one of the few European countries yet to recognise Kosovo because they recognise (rightly) that it's not for regions to simply declare themselves independent. |
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Post by randomvioce on Jul 6, 2010 17:22:45 GMT
Well said. I don't know enough about Spanish politics and history to fully understand why they are so virulently opposed to it. There are some here who think total ignorance of the subject at hand is the perfect starting point of any debate. |
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 6, 2010 18:22:19 GMT
How 'bout letting me call this sport "Fussball" since people are getting so heated up about how this "holy sport" should be presented! I'll never understand why people get so upset if i note that the Irish language dictionary givers "Sacar" as the Irish word for the holiest of sports. Irish is spoken on the west coast of Ireland.
Wearing the wrong colors is dangerous too. A Borussia Dortmund team scarf kept me warm one winter, but the Fussball fanatics just gave me a hard time.
I love the more friendly ambiance of US sports! They laugh things off that will get you in big trouble in a European football stadium..like rooting for the visiting team in the midst of hometown fans as i did in Chicago for the visiting Oakland, California team.
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Post by randomvioce on Jul 6, 2010 18:58:07 GMT
since people are getting so heated up about how this "holy sport" should be presented! What about calling it football? i.e. it's name? Why is that so complicated? Anyway, the problem is not what people call it, the problem is that you seem pretty much imune to the fact that the name 'football' is the name. You seem rather obsessed with this 'sacar' thing, I suggest you buy a new dictionary because the one you have bought appears to be made up of silly things. What you really have to understand is that Gaelic languages (there are several, BTW) are dead languages. People are trying to to inject newer words into them but they are not keeping them alive, they are making up words. No-one is heated up with this, Anna, just your insistence despite all the evidence that you are correct and the entire World is wrong. |
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 7, 2010 0:02:24 GMT
since people are getting so heated up about how this "holy sport" should be presented! What about calling it football? i.e. it's name? Why is that so complicated? Anyway, the problem is not what people call it, the problem is that you seem pretty much imune to the fact that the name 'football' is the name. You seem rather obsessed with this 'sacar' thing, I suggest you buy a new dictionary because the one you have bought appears to be made up of silly things. What you really have to understand is that Gaelic languages (there are several, BTW) are dead languages. People are trying to to inject newer words into them but they are not keeping them alive, they are making up words. No-one is heated up with this, Anna, just your insistence despite all the evidence that you are correct and the entire World is wrong.
When i was on the west coast of Ireland i met quite a number of native Irish speakers. My knowledge of the Irish language is limited to a few phrases and what if i'm wrong? Big deal! Interesting discussion consists of finding out who's more right and who's more wrong! I would never get upset if Riotgrrl called US baseball Rounders or a Russian poster insists on Lapka! If baseball is successfully imported to a foreign country the citizens there are free to give it a different name that harmonizes with their language and culture!
This hypersensitive fan stuff scares me! True there are Americans, who would react very allergically, if a European expects them to call their football "grid iron"! I don't approve of that either.
I certainly get along much better with Baseball, Cricket and Rugby fans than World Cup fans because the former are easy going about their favorite sport! |
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 7, 2010 0:28:53 GMT
I think baseball is probably the most popular sport in America. I don't like it. I don't care if anyone insults it.
There are many sports that I find to be of little interest. Soccer just happens to be one of the most boring. Add these to the list: Golf, auto racing, wrestling, boxing, ice hockey, badminton, ping pong, curling, lacrosse, cross country skiing, competitive swimming and diving, rowing, archery, shooting with guns, etc. I'm sure I've covered less than half of the sports that I find of no interest.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 7, 2010 2:25:24 GMT
I think baseball is probably the most popular sport in America. I don't like it. I don't care if anyone insults it. There are many sports that I find to be of little interest. Soccer just happens to be one of the most boring. Add these to the list: Golf, auto racing, wrestling, boxing, ice hockey, badminton, ping pong, curling, lacrosse, cross country skiing, competitive swimming and diving, rowing, archery, shooting with guns, etc. I'm sure I've covered less than half of the sports that I find of no interest.
I love baseball! Playing it and watching it! People are free to criticize it, if they don't like it. No problem! No one gets beaten up for bashing baseball!
I agree with your disdain for most of the spectator sports you mentioned, but i do kind of like to listen to wrestlers and boxers give interviews and ham it up! I could skip the ensuing fights though. |
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Post by mouse on Jul 8, 2010 8:32:09 GMT
this is very true....its the USA that is out of step with the rest of the world... this renaming or trying to rename and make things in your own image .....is laughable.... goes down with the rest of us like a lead baloon...not an endearing trait...not apreciated..not wanted...not acepted and unfortunately gives america a bad name |
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Post by mouse on Jul 8, 2010 8:38:57 GMT
How 'bout letting me call this sport "Fussball" since people are getting so heated up about how this "holy sport" should be presented!
WHY....its not a question of holy sport..its the total arogance..of wanting to alter some thing which the rest of the world acepts.....football is football......self explanitory so america dfidnt invent it....cant have the patent...tough.. liv wiv it |
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 8, 2010 14:27:06 GMT
How 'bout letting me call this sport "Fussball" since people are getting so heated up about how this "holy sport" should be presented!
WHY....its not a question of holy sport..its the total arogance..of wanting to alter some thing which the rest of the world acepts.....football is football......self explanitory so america dfidnt invent it....cant have the patent...tough.. liv wiv it Dearest Mouse! I really don't how the US NFL football got started, but i suspect that it was long before Fifa football became such a big deal! I really don't understand why some people get upset about this! |
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 8, 2010 15:09:20 GMT
WHY....its not a question of holy sport..its the total arogance..of wanting to alter some thing which the rest of the world acepts.....football is football......self explanitory so america dfidnt invent it....cant have the patent...tough.. liv wiv it Dearest Mouse! I really don't how the US NFL football got started, but i suspect that it was long before Fifa football became such a big deal! I really don't understand why some people get upset about this! I don't think anyone is upset really. They're just surprised that you're so keen to live up to the stereotype of a boorish, self-centred, ignorant American. As Mouse said:
this renaming or trying to rename and make things in your own image .....is laughable....
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 8, 2010 18:48:29 GMT
Dearest Mouse! I really don't how the US NFL football got started, but i suspect that it was long before Fifa football became such a big deal! I really don't understand why some people get upset about this! I don't think anyone is upset really. They're just surprised that you're so keen to live up to the stereotype of a boorish, self-centred, ignorant American. As Mouse said:
this renaming or trying to rename and make things in your own image .....is laughable....
goes down with the rest of us like a lead baloon...not an endearing trait...not apreciated..not wanted...not acepted and unfortunately gives america a bad name Dearest Riotgrrl! Maybe US NFL fan BushAdmirer could inform us how that sport got it's name! That happened a long time ago and i can't believe the US NFL/AFL fans did it to snub Europeans! How can you say it was "renamed"! If the US imported Cricket NOW and did rename it or called a non-cricket sport Cricket then i could understand some Cricket fans feeling snubbed, BUT Cricket fans seem too good natured to get upset about such a trivial thing! Who cares! |
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Post by june on Jul 8, 2010 20:53:54 GMT
The only one getting huffy hen is you Anna. You are wrong, suck it up and get over it!
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Post by randomvioce on Jul 8, 2010 21:19:54 GMT
Dearest Riotgrrl! Maybe US NFL fan BushAdmirer could inform us how that sport got it's name! That happened a long time ago and i can't believe the US NFL/AFL fans did it to snub Europeans American football gets its name because it has evolved from the general football games that sprung up draining the early 1800s. Nor was it a snub to Europe either. We had Association football. We had Rugby football. American football grew out of those games. American football was like Rugby up until it invented the forward pass. Like Rugby, it was a gained ground game, where the object of the game was to take territory by advancing the ball up the field. Now your game just means that a player can run up the park and catch the ball without gaining the ground  This whole debate is nothing to do with the name football, this is to do with the fact that BA and you have both denied it's name and then refused to accept that the rest of the World is correct. It is your rejection of the facts that has kept this going, not the name 'football', the rest of the World know its name, but for some reason you and BA are unwilling to concede this despite all the facts you have been shown. |
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 9, 2010 2:44:42 GMT
Dearest Riotgrrl! Maybe US NFL fan BushAdmirer could inform us how that sport got it's name! That happened a long time ago and i can't believe the US NFL/AFL fans did it to snub Europeans American football gets its name because it has evolved from the general football games that sprung up draining the early 1800s. Nor was it a snub to Europe either. We had Association football. We had Rugby football. American football grew out of those games. American football was like Rugby up until it invented the forward pass. Like Rugby, it was a gained ground game, where the object of the game was to take territory by advancing the ball up the field. Now your game just means that a player can run up the park and catch the ball without gaining the ground This whole debate is nothing to do with the name football, this is to do with the fact that BA and you have both denied it's name and then refused to accept that the rest of the World is correct. It is your rejection of the facts that has kept this going, not the name 'football', the rest of the World know its name, but for some reason you and BA are unwilling to concede this despite all the facts you have been shown.
Thanks for the history lesson on American and UK football! I try to help make this board comfortable, but also lively and thought provoking for people from all parts of the world! Debates and differing views are welcome here!
When i was first introduced to the World Cup sport it was in the US in physical education at school and the game was called soccer and US football was simply football. I twinge a bit when i print football for you and others without the /soccer when Americans are present and reading these posts too. So maybe i have US leanings and don't connect with the views and feelings that some of our UK posters have expressed.
I do appreciate Lin adding the word soccer on threads, etc. after football for our US friends and Americanized people like me. This forum with it's linguistic duality concerning the World Cup is a big exception to the rule.
I honestly don't know about Canada, but i agree of course for the non-US English speaking world "football" refers to the sport that FIFA currently represents! The French say "football" too, the Spanish say futbol, etc..
I do enjoy arguing with you and i could go through the non English languages and find examples of cases where international football is popular, but the name given to this sport by the non-English speakers is a deviation from anything related to a foot or a ball.
American football, with it's heavy clothing, is primarily a winter sport and can only be exported to countries with a cooler climate and hasn't been nearly as successful in this as FIFA football. |
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Post by mouse on Jul 9, 2010 8:20:25 GMT
am not upset in the slightest..how ever the very fact that American is called American football is the crux of the discussion why ""American""football..we dont have chinese football or danish or indonesian football...... any more than we have indian cricket or russian cricket but this renaming very much an american thing... a small example has to be eye-rak instead of irak..eye-ran instead of iran.....and it has to be an american thing as the rest of the world has no difficulty in pronouncing words perfectly despite the differences in language... |
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 9, 2010 22:24:53 GMT
There is 'Aussie rules' football and Canadian football. Of course rugby is often referred to as football as well.
Now for the final - Holland versus Spain.
Come on you Dutch!
(Apart from the fact that I'd support MOST countries against Spain, the Dutch have already been losing finalists twice and it would be terrible if it wasn't third time lucky!)
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 10, 2010 4:13:20 GMT
am not upset in the slightest..how ever the very fact that American is called American football is the crux of the discussion why ""American""football..we dont have chinese football or danish or indonesian football...... any more than we have indian cricket or russian cricket but this renaming very much an american thing... a small example has to be eye-rak instead of irak..eye-ran instead of iran.....and it has to be an american thing as the rest of the world has no difficulty in pronouncing words perfectly despite the differences in language...
Most Americans i know say Iran and not EYE ran. There's a stupid song out with the EYE ran pronounciation. The state of Illinois is sometimes pronounced with the s sound at the end or more usually as "ill-i-noi". |
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 10, 2010 4:18:55 GMT
Here's a clip of Spain's winning head shot goal against Germany! These head shots or "headers" as they call them scare me. I just think of potential brain damage! If i play the game i would never do that unless the ball floated up gently next to me! I'm too girlie girl for macho head banging! ;D
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 10, 2010 4:31:40 GMT
There is 'Aussie rules' football and Canadian football. Of course rugby is often referred to as football as well. Now for the final - Holland versus Spain. Come on you Dutch! (Apart from the fact that I'd support MOST countries against Spain, the Dutch have already been losing finalists twice and it would be terrible if it wasn't third time lucky!)
Hi Lin!
A part of me likes the "Netherlands", but since i learned Spanish and met such nice Spanish fans I've been biased that way!
I used to live near the Dutch border and we shopped in the Dutch city of Venlo, which had great bargains! The Dutch there are offended, if you call their part of the Netherlands Holland or use the German words "Holländer" or "höllandisch" for Dutch. The Dutch from Amsterdam, etc. would smile approvingly though. |
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 11, 2010 6:08:41 GMT
![]() Germany defeats Uruguay 3-2 and clinches 3rd plance and bronze!
World Cup fans here followed the game, but they didn't seem to party much afterwards. I suppose they're interested in today's game:SPAIN VS NETHERLANDS!! |
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 11, 2010 22:28:08 GMT
Spain won 1-0 in almost the last minute of extra time.
Oh well, I suppose they DID play the better football.
I love the Spanish people - it's just the way their governments oppress the Basques that angers me!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 12, 2010 2:33:57 GMT
Spain won 1-0 in almost the last minute of extra time. Oh well, I suppose they DID play the better football. I love the Spanish people - it's just the way their governments oppress the Basques that angers me!
I oppose the facist or antifascist assimilationist politics of all nations! I guess all nations of any significant size are guilty of this.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 12, 2010 2:53:14 GMT
This was a hard fought game with a lot of penalties called on both teams! If I'm not mistaken this is Spain first appearance and a finalist in the World Cup and Spain won 1 to 0.
I wonder if the Dutch team fans would trade their 3 appearances in the World Cup final for just one appearance with a win? 
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