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Post by alanseago on Jun 27, 2010 13:16:19 GMT
Did you see the cross of St. George, passing? It is incorporated into the Union Flag.
Can you see the others?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 28, 2010 5:24:19 GMT
You might like to delete your lovely girlwith the Union Jack flag flying; that's not really appropriate for this afternoon's game as the Union Flag represents the whole of the UK, and only one part of it is represented at the World Cup.
I can't resist posting my doll graphics! It hurts so much to take them down! 
I would never post a Union Jack to make a reference to teams like Scotland or Wales! I've always thought of the Union Jack as representing English interests in a more broader form! Just about all i really know about the Union Jack is that there's a danger of raising it upside down and that there is also a flag that represents only England and not the royal interests worldwide, etc.! Isn't that more than most non-UK citizens know.  |
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 28, 2010 7:02:17 GMT
Argentina 3 : 1 Mexico
Germany 4 : 1 England
There was a lot of celebrating here with Germany's win against England. Just about everyone here admits that England did shoot a second goal, but the referee didn't see it. The German fans say this was the return for what many observers believe was a bad call in favor of England in 1966.
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Do 2 wrongs make a right?
I used to be happy when Germany would lose and all the noise and heavy drinking would stop. It seems like some of the madness has been infecting me more and more though.
People here seem somewhat pessimistic about Germany's chances against Argentina next Saturday.
Upcoming matches:
Netherlands vs. Slovakia - 28 Jun 10:00am (ET) on ESPN
Brazil vs. Chile - 28 Jun 2:30pm (ET) on ESPN
Paraguay vs. Japan - 29 Jun 10:00am (ET) on ESPN
Spain vs. Portugal - 29 Jun 2:30pm (ET)
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Post by firedancer on Jun 28, 2010 12:07:51 GMT
I wish I could like football. I'm an avid sports fan of pretty much every sport under the sun, but I cannot warm to the overpaid prima donnas of professional football. I remain, forever, a rugby union fan!  |
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Post by alanseago on Jun 28, 2010 16:09:45 GMT
It is not a time to be wearing a football shirt in Aquitaine. They tend to be more rugby supporters rather than frequenting, 'les ooligannes' but national pride has been besmirched with no way to blame ze anglosaxonnes. Not even the trouncing of les rosbifs by les boches.
I went out wearing a tricolor T-shirt and swigging from a bottle of Bordeaux but then, I often do that.
Vive la Mexique!
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Post by mouse on Jun 28, 2010 20:30:06 GMT
flying the union flag upside down is a sign of distress
or one that can be flown when ALL the four nations are involved.....that is why it was created
the george is the English flag so please dont post the union flag for England..
red cross on white backgound=the george=the English flag
the original English flag was blue with a white bird and the original st was edumund..back in the day when the flag was a rally point in battle...each divission or lord would have his own flag but the central flag was the countries emblem
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Post by mouse on Jun 28, 2010 20:33:03 GMT
[/color][/size] [/quote]depends if they are long standing citizens... but the English like the Scots and Welsh know their own flag |
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 28, 2010 22:28:46 GMT
[/color][/size] [/quote]depends if they are long standing citizens... but the English like the Scots and Welsh know their own flag[/quote] ![]() ![]() I'm just a little puzzled because Riotgrrl said the union flag wasn't appropriate in relation to English football/soccer. I'm sure a sport team from Texas would have no problem with the US flag next to the Texas state flag. ![]() champions-league-betting.com/sexy-football-fans.html QUOTE: British fans outside the stadium before the England vs. France match at the Euro 2004 in Portugal. UNQUOTE I understand that the Union Jack is taboo for Scottish, Welsh and Irish fans, but the fans for team England always seem to bring it to the matches. Are they "inappropriate?  |
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Post by randomvioce on Jun 29, 2010 15:26:27 GMT
I understand that the Union Jack is taboo for Scottish, Welsh and Irish fans, but the fans for team England always seem to bring it to the matches. Are they "inappropriate? The United Kingdom is made up of four constituent parts. Two Countries (Scotland & England) a principality (Wales) and a province (Northern Ireland). The Union flag represents an amalgamation of these constituent parts based on the flags of their Patron Saints. Staint George, England (but counting Wales too):  Saint Andrew, Scotland:  Saint Patrick (representing the whole of Ireland, but it is no longer part of the UK):  All three crosses make uk the Union flag:  England and Wales being represented by the flag of Saint George due to a quirk of history, when Wales was incorporated into England centuries ago. The other two Nations being represented by the Saint Andrews’s and Saint Patrick’s Cross respectively. The Union Jack represents the ‘British Nation’ when we are representing Britain, but it is appropriate to use the ‘flag’ of the constituent part of the UK, when you are playing (or whatever) as England or Scotland. However, as Well as Scotland and England having their own flag, the Welsh and Northern Ireland have their own flags too. Wales:  Northern Ireland:  In short, England should only use the flag of Saint George and the Brithish flag should be used when the team are representing the UK. |
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Post by alanseago on Jun 29, 2010 16:01:08 GMT
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Post by riotgrrl on Jun 30, 2010 7:41:29 GMT
depends if they are long standing citizens... but the English like the Scots and Welsh know their own flag ![]() ![]() I'm just a little puzzled because Riotgrrl said the union flag wasn't appropriate in relation to English football/soccer. I'm sure a sport team from Texas would have no problem with the US flag next to the Texas state flag. ![]() champions-league-betting.com/sexy-football-fans.html QUOTE: British fans outside the stadium before the England vs. France match at the Euro 2004 in Portugal. UNQUOTE I understand that the Union Jack is taboo for Scottish, Welsh and Irish fans, but the fans for team England always seem to bring it to the matches. Are they "inappropriate? Yes, as Random has explained, it is inappropriate. It is also offensive to many people, who find it belittling and ignorant when the clear distinction between 'England' and 'The UK'/'Britain' is not made. When ignorant people continued to call Yugoslavia 'Serbia' after the formation of the Yugoslavian state, the Croatians used to find that excluding and offensive too. The assumption that the English interest is the same thing as the British interest is just one of the reasons why Scottish people have been fighting for their own Parliament and a measure of devolution or independence since, well since 1707 if not earlier (when the common people opposed the Union between Scotland and England.) |
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 30, 2010 22:41:09 GMT
Brazil 3 : 0 Chile
Netherlands 2 : 1 Slovakia
As expected the Netherlands and Brazil advance! Friday and Saturday the teams below will either advance or be eliminated.
Upcoming matches - Quarter-finals:
Netherlands vs. Brazil - 2 July
Uruguay vs. Ghana - 2 July
Argentina vs. Germany - 3 July
Paraguay vs. Spain - 3 July
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 1, 2010 2:36:18 GMT
![]() I still don't understand why the Union Jack flag is inappropriate at team England football/soccer games, especially since pro team England fans often display it. Nevertheless i'm posting this team England fan in to compensate for the outrage that the display of the Union Jack caused. |
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 1, 2010 7:18:14 GMT
I still don't understand why the Union Jack flag is inappropriate at team England football/soccer games, especially since pro team England fans often display it. How can you not understand when it's been explained to you in detail? The Union Jack is not the flag of England. That some England fans are so badly educated, arrogant or ignorant that they choose to use it does not mean it's ok. If you genuinely are unable to comprehend why Welsh, Irish and Scottish people find it offensive when the British interest and the English interest are regarded as being the same thing, then you obviously don't understand patriotism or national pride. |
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 1, 2010 7:20:05 GMT
And Tito was not Serbian. His parents were (iirc) a Slovene and a Croat.
And the cartoon is a comment on British politics, so the use of the Union flag there is appropriate.
Apart from that . . . .
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Post by alanseago on Jul 1, 2010 8:50:14 GMT
We are no as concerned about what is appropriate or inappropriate over here. I am English with a British passport living in France. At various times I will hang out a Union jack, the St. George's flag the tricolour or the EU flag. I will defend my right to wave whichever flag I wish.
I do not make a point of not being something.
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 1, 2010 8:56:18 GMT
We are no as concerned about what is appropriate or inappropriate over here. I am English with a British passport living in France. At various times I will hang out a Union jack, the St. George's flag the tricolour or the EU flag. I will defend my right to wave whichever flag I wish. I do not make a point of not being something. So take it you fly the Saltire too? |
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Post by alanseago on Jul 1, 2010 10:54:05 GMT
Why? I have no connection with Scotland except as a part of Great Britain.
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 1, 2010 11:52:38 GMT
Why? I have no connection with Scotland except as a part of Great Britain. So, how does that sit with your earlier statement that you do not make a point of not being something? You're not Scottish, so why would you fly the saltire? Well of course. I'm not English, so why would I fly the St Georges Cross? Of course I shouldn't. Why the snidey wee remark about not making a point of not being something then? Why the confusion as to why it is inappropriate to fly the wrong flag? |
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Post by alanseago on Jul 1, 2010 12:37:53 GMT
You asked If I ever fly the saltire, I answered.
I did not ask you why you do not fly the flag of St George.
I said, I will happily fly, the tricolour.I do not make a point of not being French.
No confusion, I do not consider it to be inappropriate to fly the wrong flag, I do not classify things as appropriate or inappropriate. That is simply a devious way of imposing ones values upon others.
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 1, 2010 19:48:08 GMT
I do not classify things as appropriate or inappropriate. That is simply a devious way of imposing ones values upon others. Really? I think 'inappropriate' is quite a nice way of saying 'offensive and ignorant' without actually having to be that rude. |
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Post by june on Jul 1, 2010 20:03:59 GMT
England V India was a cricket match and Scotland and Wales do not have National teams as far as I am aware - so if you are a Scottish cricket fan you can chose who to follow at national level.
I am irked that as an English person I have no Parliament representing me and no National anthem either!
I am displeased that the English are assumed to be happy just to have the British stuff applied to them. We are a country in our own right and should be seen as that.
I am also a bit sniffy about the English team wearing blue in their kit, red and white is the colour of our flag.
The only reason I am glad to be British is because Wales and Scotland have the good sense to vote socialist. If that were not the case I would be forced to move.
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Post by june on Jul 1, 2010 20:06:07 GMT
I'm not sure why you think the cartoon shows confusion - Mr Brown was the Prime Minister of Great Britain - so the flag is correct |
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