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Post by june on Jul 18, 2010 23:04:47 GMT
[ you are =you're they are = they're happy to help your comprehension of the English Language, but thanks for providing a perfect example of how you purposely misconstrue to try and 'make' your point. whatever...i try to please ..just avin a larf...some things i just dont take seriously ..its always difficult when peeps WILL not understand what your trying to say ..isnt it ..agravating too Well Mouse - I have never done that to you, but it does seem to be an annoying trait of yours. Unless you are saying you are just a wind up merchant here to get a rise?
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Post by june on Jul 18, 2010 23:13:06 GMT
No, I mean that to try and give your prejudices more weight you attempt to portray my comments as meaning the polar opposite of your opinion of Islam. I've never given my view on Islam. Worth pointing out I think! If you had bothered to read anything I have ever posted you will see I have questioned the 'Islam is pure evil' point of view posted by you, Anna and Jim. Does that mean I support Islam? I know for me it means I don't support you. ;D I do this because, it is a very simplistic task to condemn all for the acts of a few. However, when anyone argues against your extreme opinions on here, you Islamaphobes prefer to suggest we are all apologists who would have us all under Sharia law in a thrice. That's quite embarrassing really isn't it? is that the best argument you have? actually the best argument against Islam it Islam its self..its words,,deeds and actions as you say very simplistic and there you go again with the prejudice throw out ..what is prejudiced about quoting facts.....actions..happenings islamophbes,,a fantastic word but sadly in the wrong context,,a pohobia is an irational fear..there is nothing irational in fearing the rise of islam especially for a woman... but then i think you are predudiced very predudiced against anyone who admit they dislike islam...against anyone who has an opinion on islam or quotes islamic teachings or actions or the actions of muslims incited and brainwashed by islam so you questioned ""islam is pure evil"" but were you able to prove it wasnt and i have never asked you for suport It's not for me to prove anything about Islam either way. I make no comment on it. You continue to portray the religion as evil, so the requirement for proof that it is is all at your door, not mine. You are the one saying; you have something to prove about Islam - not me. I am prejudice against anyone who says "this is bad because I say so", because I'm not willing to blindly follow anyone else's point of view based on nothing more than the fact it is their point of view. It occurs to me that what you pretend to hate most about Islam, you expect to receive here - ie. blind and total adherence to what you say.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 19, 2010 0:25:57 GMT
June you are weaving and bobbing and dodging the issues here. Go back to the top of this thread and reread the article by Geert Wilders. He does a nice job of defining the problem. Sure, you can find a few of his statements to disagree with but he has an accurate fix on the big picture. Seems to me that's undeniable.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 19, 2010 4:16:05 GMT
If you had bothered to read anything I have ever posted you will see I have questioned the 'Islam is pure evil' point of view posted by you, Anna and Jim. Does that mean I support Islam? I know for me it means I don't support you. ;D June Please! Where has any of us described Islam as "pure evil"! True! We condemn extremist criminal acts that were done in the name of Islam, or Christianity for that matter!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 19, 2010 6:29:01 GMT
I feel the "Islamization" aspect is exaggerated! The big danger is a loss of cultural heritage!
For instance the children of Islamic parents breaking away from the good things that Islam promotes: honesty, respect for other's property, anti-intoxicating drugs, etc. etc. and thus falling between the cultures, sometimes into lawlessness! Anomie ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie ) is a big danger for the Western world and "melting pots" in general!
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Post by mouse on Jul 19, 2010 8:53:46 GMT
no am not a wind up merchant ...but like you as the horse indicated i lose patience at times and show it... we have had the out right of denial of sharia in the uk...and various other instances..[i know it was jean and lin[yellow cloth] yet there continues to be this ""aw your just predudiced"" etc etc when the point is proved...WHY.. """It's not for me to prove anything about Islam either way. I make no comment on it. A/""""sitting on the fence can only give splinters ;D[humour]......but that is exactly whay i mean you make no coment on it yet are happy to call those who do islamophobes...intollorant while never backing up what is intollorant about facts...etc etc You continue to portray the religion as evil, so the requirement for proof that it is is all at your door, not mine........B/ i would say that if this is to be a debate rather than a constant sniping then yes its up to you to prove that this religion it isnt evil ,,and of course it isnt just a religion its a political and whole way of life as any imman will tell you You are the one saying; you have something to prove about Islam - not me....C/i am not saying i have ANYTHING to prove about islam..i am simply presenting facts past and present and the effects of islamic teachings I am prejudice against anyone who says "this is bad because I say so", because I'm not willing to blindly follow anyone else's point of view based on nothing more than the fact it is their point of view......D/.quite quite a wrong sumation..i too would never follow anyone elses point of view blindly and without thought so why should you..all any of us can do is let facts speak for them selves ..nor do i rely on my opinion....or the opinion of others It occurs to me that what you pretend to hate most about Islam, you expect to receive here - ie. blind and total adherence to what you say. E/again that is your wrong interpretation...pretend to hate most about islam...oh plurlease do me a favour.....nor do i expect total adherence to what i say...i expected[wrongly] to have a good discussion...with facts being brought in to substanciate points...counter argument and just so you know....there is nothing i would like more than to see islam REFORMED and come into the 21st century...i would like to see islam be simply a religion a matter of personal faith rather than a political complete way of life which has caused so much war/despair/hurt/inequalities islam as it is now structered is in its death throes and there is nothing more dangerous than the dying of a predator trying for another taste of life...it may get a repreve...but islam has declared and waged war on humanity since its inception and will do so untill it is gone for good and the sooner the better for mankind but while i wait i will not sit quietly back pretending that islam is full of peace and love...islam is submission..choiceless..totallitarian grown out of murder..rape and pillage any one who joins a political party adhers to the rules of that party anyone who joins a religion agrees with the full message of that religion if they dont agree with what a political goup or religion states as its aims..ambitions,,policies .. the answer is to withdraw..leave get out because by staying a member you are complicit and give agreement to are responsible for the actions of the party/religion AND i make a full apology for any sarcasm or childishness i have shown toward you at any time on this thread
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Post by iamjumbo on Jul 19, 2010 12:07:11 GMT
ah you mean they are never correct... ;Dvery true No, I mean that to try and give your prejudices more weight you attempt to portray my comments as meaning the polar opposite of your opinion of Islam. I've never given my view on Islam. Worth pointing out I think! If you had bothered to read anything I have ever posted you will see I have questioned the 'Islam is pure evil' point of view posted by you, Anna and Jim. Does that mean I support Islam? I know for me it means I don't support you. ;D I do this because, it is a very simplistic task to condemn all for the acts of a few. However, when anyone argues against your extreme opinions on here, you Islamaphobes prefer to suggest we are all apologists who would have us all under Sharia law in a thrice. That's quite embarrassing really isn't it? is that the best argument you have? reality is ALWAYS the best argument. now, you're trying to claim that you don't know anything about islam. if you have not made the effort to read the koran and see what it teaches, the murder of every non muslim, subjugation of women, child molesting, etc, you have even less excuse for promoting it. those of us who lay out the truth about what the koran actually says can only show you the light. your refusal to open your eyes but rather stumble around in the darkness, is your choice, and yours alone. unfortunately for the knowledgeable among us, if there becomes too many like you, we will have to suffer for your folly
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Post by iamjumbo on Jul 19, 2010 12:22:52 GMT
No, I mean that to try and give your prejudices more weight you attempt to portray my comments as meaning the polar opposite of your opinion of Islam. I've never given my view on Islam. Worth pointing out I think! If you had bothered to read anything I have ever posted you will see I have questioned the 'Islam is pure evil' point of view posted by you, Anna and Jim. Does that mean I support Islam? I know for me it means I don't support you. ;D I do this because, it is a very simplistic task to condemn all for the acts of a few. However, when anyone argues against your extreme opinions on here, you Islamaphobes prefer to suggest we are all apologists who would have us all under Sharia law in a thrice. That's quite embarrassing really isn't it? is that the best argument you have? actually the best argument against islam it islam its self..its words,,deeds and actions as you say very simplistic and there you go again with the predudice throw out ..what is predudiced about quoting facts.....actions..happenings islamophbes,,a fantastic word but sadly in the wrong context,,a pohobia is an irational fear..there is nothing irational in fearing the rise of islam especially for a woman... but then i think you are predudiced very predudiced against anyone who admit they dislike islam...against anyone who has an opinion on islam or quotes islamic teachings or actions or the actions of muslims incited and brainwashed by islam so you questioned ""islam is pure evil"" but were you able to prove it wasnt and i have never asked you for suport exactly. the one case which conclusively proves the reality of the situation is that of the danish cartoonists. these people with a hard on to support the islamics try to claim that al queda and the like are some fringe element of islam, and that islam is such a peaceful religion, blah blah blah. the tens of thousands of trash who rioted all over europe because they were too stupid to see the humor in some very funny cartoons were NOT al queda or any terrorist group. they were the everyday muslims who have saturated europe
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Post by mouse on Jul 19, 2010 14:10:28 GMT
actually i didnt think the original cartoons were that brilliant..some of the later ones were really funny though and some thing which really amazes me is how the truth is obscured.....the cartoons were published without a wimper a month or couple of months earlier and it wasnt untill those men went to egypt with THEIR OWN ADDED cartoons that all the trouble began..a point that was never rammed home hard enough or was it politic to obscure the truth...it seems to happen an awful lot this false information scenario
Danish Muslims add 3 more offensive cartoons to the ones that stoked cartoon rage Yesterday it was revealed that Danish Muslims traveling abroad to drum up cartoon rage have taken it upon themselves to embellish the truth a bit.
...Meanwhile, the Danish tabloid Extra Bladet got hold of a 43-page report that Danish Muslim leaders and imams, on a tour of the Islamic world are handing out to their contacts to “explain” how offensive the cartoons are. The report contains 15 pictures instead of 12. The first of the three additional pictures, which are of dismal quality, shows Muhammad as a pedophile deamon , the second shows the prophet with a pigsnout and the third depicts a praying Muslim being raped by a dog Apparently, the 12 original pictures were not deemed bad enough to convince other Muslims that Muslims in Denmark are the victims of a campaign of religious hatred. Akhmad Akkari, spokesman of the 21 Danish Muslim organizations which organized the tour, explained that the three drawings had been added to “give an insight in how hateful the atmosphere in Denmark is towards Muslims.” Akkari claimed he does not know the origin of the three pictures. He said they had been sent anonymously to Danish Muslims. However, when Ekstra Bladet asked if it could talk to these Muslims, Akkari refused to reveal their identity.
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Post by mouse on Jul 19, 2010 14:20:04 GMT
a bounty of 100,000 was put on the life of the cartoonists...nothing on the lives of the three muslims who had also drawn the 3 extra cartoons...hypocracy or what
and the danish cartoonist survived an attack
Somali charged with murder attempt on Muhammad cartoonistDanish police shot and wounded man who broke into Kurt Westergaard's home wielding axe and knife Kurt Westergaard sheltered in a safe room with his grandchild as the attacker raged outside. Photograph: Preben Hupfeld/EPA A Somali man has been charged with trying to murder a Danish artist whose cartoons of the prophet Muhammad sparked a storm of protest and violence across the Muslim world.
Danish police shot and wounded the 28-year-old man after he broke into Kurt Westergaard's home in Aarhus last night armed with an axe and a knife. The suspect is said to have ties to al-Qaida.
The 75-year-old artist had retreated to a safe room with his five-year-old granddaughter. When police arrived they tried to arrest the intruder and then shot him in the hand and knee when he threatened an officer with the axe, said Preben Nielsen of the Aarhus police.
Chief Superintendent Ole Madsen in Aarhus said the man was charged with two counts of attempted murder – one on Westergaard and one on a police officer – at a court hearing today in Aarhus, Denmark's second-largest city.
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 19, 2010 15:22:24 GMT
I am getting rather fed up with the way in which a minority of members appear to have become obsessed with finding as many negative things as possible to say about Islam.
I am growing so discouraged that I may have to take stronger action if the nonsense does not stop.
People who belong to other message boards know that I run my ship with the lightest possible touch on the tiller. I let a LOT of stuff go that other board owners would NOT.
Anyway, I'd like to remind members about the Vendetta section of the board. It's a space I created where people can indulge in personal abuse, religious and racial rantings and whatever.
It's password protected so anything posted there doesn't disrupt the main board.
Perhaps one or two of the recent postings here would be more appropriately placed in the Vendetta section.
I'd also like to remind members to read the rules to refresh their memory.
Thank you - I know we've got a great bunch of people here, most of them hand-picked, so I know I can rely on you to exercise a bit of self-control.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jul 19, 2010 17:15:42 GMT
actually i didnt think the original cartoons were that brilliant..some of the later ones were really funny though and some thing which really amazes me is how the truth is obscured.....the cartoons were published without a wimper a month or couple of months earlier and it wasnt untill those men went to egypt with THEIR OWN ADDED cartoons that all the trouble began..a point that was never rammed home hard enough or was it politic to obscure the truth...it seems to happen an awful lot this false information scenario Danish Muslims add 3 more offensive cartoons to the ones that stoked cartoon rage Yesterday it was revealed that Danish Muslims traveling abroad to drum up cartoon rage have taken it upon themselves to embellish the truth a bit. ...Meanwhile, the Danish tabloid Extra Bladet got hold of a 43-page report that Danish Muslim leaders and imams, on a tour of the Islamic world are handing out to their contacts to “explain” how offensive the cartoons are. The report contains 15 pictures instead of 12. The first of the three additional pictures, which are of dismal quality, shows Muhammad as a pedophile deamon , the second shows the prophet with a pigsnout and the third depicts a praying Muslim being raped by a dog Apparently, the 12 original pictures were not deemed bad enough to convince other Muslims that Muslims in Denmark are the victims of a campaign of religious hatred. Akhmad Akkari, spokesman of the 21 Danish Muslim organizations which organized the tour, explained that the three drawings had been added to “give an insight in how hateful the atmosphere in Denmark is towards Muslims.” Akkari claimed he does not know the origin of the three pictures. He said they had been sent anonymously to Danish Muslims. However, when Ekstra Bladet asked if it could talk to these Muslims, Akkari refused to reveal their identity. yeah, but the point is the type of individuals who are stupid enough to follow the islamic tripe to begin with. it's the TOTAL lack of class. when the fool put a crucifix in a jar of urine, lots of christians protested, and there was even a couple of small demonstrations. however, not one single person ever called for murdering him. no cars or buildings were burned. of course, these people were rational, intelligent human beings, quite the opposite of the islamic garbage protesting the cartoons
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Post by iamjumbo on Jul 19, 2010 17:28:00 GMT
I am getting rather fed up with the way in which a minority of members appear to have become obsessed with finding as many negative things as possible to say about Islam. I am growing so discouraged that I may have to take stronger action if the nonsense does not stop. People who belong to other message boards know that I run my ship with the lightest possible touch on the tiller. I let a LOT of stuff go that other board owners would NOT. Anyway, I'd like to remind members about the Vendetta section of the board. It's a space I created where people can indulge in personal abuse, religious and racial rantings and whatever. It's password protected so anything posted there doesn't disrupt the main board. Perhaps one or two of the recent postings here would be more appropriately placed in the Vendetta section. I'd also like to remind members to read the rules to refresh their memory. Thank you - I know we've got a great bunch of people here, most of them hand-picked, so I know I can rely on you to exercise a bit of self-control. no hon. the obsession is with those trying to ignore the facts and promote it. i haven't seen any overtly nasty personal attacks though. june posted a comical picture, i suppose of me, but i take no offense. i love horses almost as much as i love dogs
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Post by june on Jul 19, 2010 17:44:29 GMT
reality is ALWAYS the best argument. now, you're trying to claim that you don't know anything about islam. where have I said that?
if you have not made the effort to read the koran and see what it teaches, the murder of every non muslim, subjugation of women, child molesting, etc, you have even less excuse for promoting it. Where have I said I haven't and where have I promoted Islam? those of us who lay out the truth about what the koran actually says can only show you the light. Why do I need to see your light, I don't follow Islam?
your refusal to open your eyes but rather stumble around in the darkness, is your choice, and yours alone. unfortunately for the knowledgeable among us, if there becomes too many like you, we will have to suffer for your folly Open my eyes to what? Your rampant hatred of Islam, I understand that quite well, sadly.
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Post by june on Jul 19, 2010 17:45:28 GMT
If you had bothered to read anything I have ever posted you will see I have questioned the 'Islam is pure evil' point of view posted by you, Anna and Jim. Does that mean I support Islam? I know for me it means I don't support you. ;D June Please! Where has any of us described Islam as "pure evil"! True! We condemn extremist criminal acts that were done in the name of Islam, or Christianity for that matter!
Please feel free to read any of Jim's posts about Islam - and note the use of 'evil' ;D
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Post by june on Jul 19, 2010 17:46:03 GMT
no am not a wind up merchant ...but like you as the horse indicated i lose patience at times and show it... we have had the out right of denial of sharia in the uk...and various other instances..[i know it was jean and lin[yellow cloth] yet there continues to be this ""aw your just predudiced"" etc etc when the point is proved...WHY.. """It's not for me to prove anything about Islam either way. I make no comment on it. A/""""sitting on the fence can only give splinters ;D[humour]......but that is exactly whay i mean you make no coment on it yet are happy to call those who do islamophobes...intollorant while never backing up what is intollorant about facts...etc etc You continue to portray the religion as evil, so the requirement for proof that it is is all at your door, not mine........B/ i would say that if this is to be a debate rather than a constant sniping then yes its up to you to prove that this religion it isnt evil ,,and of course it isnt just a religion its a political and whole way of life as any imman will tell you You are the one saying; you have something to prove about Islam - not me....C/i am not saying i have ANYTHING to prove about islam..i am simply presenting facts past and present and the effects of islamic teachings I am prejudice against anyone who says "this is bad because I say so", because I'm not willing to blindly follow anyone else's point of view based on nothing more than the fact it is their point of view......D/.quite quite a wrong sumation..i too would never follow anyone elses point of view blindly and without thought so why should you..all any of us can do is let facts speak for them selves ..nor do i rely on my opinion....or the opinion of others It occurs to me that what you pretend to hate most about Islam, you expect to receive here - ie. blind and total adherence to what you say. E/again that is your wrong interpretation...pretend to hate most about islam...oh plurlease do me a favour.....nor do i expect total adherence to what i say...i expected[wrongly] to have a good discussion...with facts being brought in to substanciate points...counter argument and just so you know....there is nothing i would like more than to see islam REFORMED and come into the 21st century...i would like to see islam be simply a religion a matter of personal faith rather than a political complete way of life which has caused so much war/despair/hurt/inequalities islam as it is now structered is in its death throes and there is nothing more dangerous than the dying of a predator trying for another taste of life...it may get a repreve...but islam has declared and waged war on humanity since its inception and will do so untill it is gone for good and the sooner the better for mankind but while i wait i will not sit quietly back pretending that islam is full of peace and love...islam is submission..choiceless..totallitarian grown out of murder..rape and pillage any one who joins a political party adhers to the rules of that party anyone who joins a religion agrees with the full message of that religion if they dont agree with what a political goup or religion states as its aims..ambitions,,policies .. the answer is to withdraw..leave get out because by staying a member you are complicit and give agreement to are responsible for the actions of the party/religion AND i make a full apology for any sarcasm or childishness i have shown toward you at any time on this thread Oh up yer bum Mouse! ;D
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Post by mouse on Jul 19, 2010 18:44:30 GMT
is that a rejection an aceptence
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Post by june on Jul 19, 2010 18:48:00 GMT
is that a rejection an aceptence acceptance of course Mouse x ;D
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Post by mouse on Jul 19, 2010 19:33:50 GMT
I am getting rather fed up with the way in which a minority of members appear to have become obsessed with finding as many negative things as possible to say about Islam. Perhaps one or two of the recent postings here would be more appropriately placed in the Vendetta section. . i just wrote a detailed answer and lorst it.. why would they better in vendetta...is any thing i have writen untrue..exagerated..made up....if not what is the problem with truth and i can assure you i never look for anything about islam apart from islamic history[when i am inlined to use historians of all shades of opinion be they present day...or muslim chroniclers...to documentation by every one from calpiphs..emirs..court acountants..eye witnesses..soldiers or official chroniclers..[especially during the indian incursions ] any one who knows me will confirm i do not look for stories..in fact they would confirm i simply sit down at the puter and answer or not what ever post comes in front of me straight off..i do not use notes and certainly dont search unless i need to be acurate on time and place..numbers or some one has asked for proof or link. i cut and past when its to complicated or long to deal with or i have just read an article i use only what i have read..learnt..seen..heard or have had sent to me or found else where on the web how does this vendatta fit in with Freedom of speech and expression especially have seen no threats..untruths deliberate or other wise..that i certainly dont understand how ever if you wish me to delete my acount just let me know or you if wish to do so please feel free....i certainly didnt intend to cause fitna[as we say at the community centre ;D]my humour]
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Post by mouse on Jul 19, 2010 19:35:18 GMT
is that a rejection an aceptence acceptance of course Mouse x ;D oh good...i shall sleep better now ;D...... but seriously cheers
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