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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 16, 2010 23:52:05 GMT
Geert Wilders is a Dutch Member of Parliament.
In a generation or two, the US will ask itself: Who lost Europe ?'
Here is the speech of Geert Wilders, Chairman, Party for Freedom, the Netherlands , at the Four Seasons, New York , introducing an Alliance of Patriots and announcing the Facing Jihad Conference in Jerusalem .
Dear friends,
Thank you very much for inviting me.
I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world. There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic. We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe.
First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe . Then, I will say a few things about Islam. To close I will tell you about a meeting in Jerusalem .
The Europe you know is changing.
You have probably seen the landmarks. But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world. It is the world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration.
All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighborhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It's the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With mosques on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe . These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe , street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city.
There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe . With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal is: we rule.
Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam , Marseille and Malmo in Sweden . In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighborhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities.
In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims.
Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear 'whore, whore'. Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in the country of origin.
In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin . The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity.
In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels , because he was drinking during the Ramadan.
Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya , Israel . I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization.
A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe . San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now. Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end of this century.
Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of that. The Pew Research Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to France . One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students are in favor of a worldwide caliphate. Muslims demand what they call 'respect'. And this is how we give them respect. We have Muslim official state holidays.
The Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members with passports from Morocco and Turkey .
Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behavior, ranging from petty crimes and random violence, for example against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. I call the perpetrators 'settlers'. Because that is what they are. They do not come to integrate into our societies; they come to integrate our society into their Dar-al-Islam.. Therefore, they are settlers.
Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighborhoods, their cities, their countries. Moreover, Muslims are now a swing vote not to be ignored.
The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the prophet. His behavior is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one, there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages - at the same time. Islamic tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad.
Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means 'submission'. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.
Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam 'the most retrograde force in the world', and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I have lived in this country and visited it dozens of times. I support Israel . First, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including Auschwitz, second because it is a democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.
This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating Islam's territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines , Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan , Lebanon , and Aceh in Indonesia . Israel is simply in the way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.
The war against Israel is not a war against Israel . It is a war against the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel , Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.
Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West It would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel , they can get everything.. So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as a 'right-wing extremists' or 'racists'. In my country, the Netherlands , 60 percent of the population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat. Yet there is a greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military might for America - as its allies will turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an Islamic Europe, it would be up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome , Athens and Jerusalem .
Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who fought for it with their lives. All throughout Europe , American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose memory we cherish. My generation does not own this freedom; we are merely its custodians. We can only hand over this hard won liberty to Europe 's children in the same state in which it was offered to us. We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so.
We have to take the necessary action now to stop this Islamic stupidity from destroying the free world that we know.
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Post by mouse on Jul 17, 2010 8:33:45 GMT
i dont know whether to join this discussion or not...or even if there will be a discussion on this issue i am sure IF there is a discussion that it will be the usual denial of facts...obscuring of reality the everlasting phrases of ""islam is a religion of peace"" and its a very small minority..totally over looking the custom and practies of the last 1400 yrs...and the ""it couldnt happen"" when denials of islamic practise are rife..when non islamist purport to know more than islamic scholars...when denials of history are rampent..what can one say except on your heads be it..trouble is of course it will be on ALL our heads when good men do nothing evil thrives......and reality will be the night mare of an islamic society...as lived right now by a variety of peoples around the world iran..saudi..nigeria...being examples ...be no use wittering about human rights..or free speech or choice or equality for women [neither of which are rekonised in islam]
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Post by mouse on Jul 17, 2010 10:06:02 GMT
Growing numbers
The total number of Muslims in Great Britain:
2004: 1,870,000
2005: 2,017,000
2006: 2,142,000
2007: 2,327,000
2008: 2,422,000
and in only 4 yrs..doesnt bode well..sweden is having terrible problems
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Post by mouse on Jul 17, 2010 10:26:18 GMT
for some really interesting reports go to youtube and the cnn reports on malmo and the rest of europe...the demands..threats..the beatings the rapes[specific on non muslims and muslims who do not comply].the deeds and actions against non muslims the violence against jews[who are leaving in increasing numbers] its all very very sacry and does not bode well for the future at all...and instead of these things being publicised they are pushed to one side in the interests of PC and community cohesian ?were this being done by anyone other than immigrants and muslims particular..were it a group of christians it would be headline news and questions would be asked
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Post by randomvioce on Jul 17, 2010 11:00:30 GMT
Oh dear oh dear oh dear. I think it extremely sad that YET another board I use has been destroyed by the anti Muslim ranters!!!!! We now have about 20 to thirty posts across five threads, where you people tell us the exact same thing!!!!!
Look around people, there are about 4 people posting on this board, posting the same thing every day, trying to find new ways of saying the same thing. You hate Islam/Muslims/immigration, yep, the rest of us get it, you really think telling us that today will make the slightest difference? Do you really think that we will forget how much you hate Muslims unless you tell us? Do you really think a new cut and paste of another persons work will help us make our m ind up?
What do you people get out of this crap? Do you really hate this board that much that you are determined to kill it? Do the maths people, count the number of people left posting and ask yourself is that what you really want?
Come on Mods/admin, get a grip, too many of the best posters never post anymore, so ask yourselves why that is. Why do we need huge cut and pastes from other parts of the web? What are we supposed to be getting from that? It is supposed to be a debate forum, not a copy and paste forum. Deal with this crap.
This board is dying on its feet because this crap has pushed people away.
There is a whole World out there with important issues, we do not need one subject endlessly repeated.
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 17, 2010 12:11:48 GMT
I agree with RV.
But it's a Catch 22. If mod/admin start closing topics/deleting threads, then the members all scream about censorship.
It's one of the reasons Patrick set up Stub Crouch; to provide a space where people could talk about things without the endless anti-Islam stuff over and over and over and over.
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Post by mouse on Jul 17, 2010 14:14:30 GMT
and the same people objecting to what is one of the most important issues of the day...i assume rv you do not read news papers or watch news reports in case the reporting offends
there is indeed a whole world out there bursting with important issues...issues such as freedom...equality...ilegal wars..female mutilation..democracy..over breeding...religious impositions..education...health...corruption..history and its impact ontoday..immigration and emmigration..agriculture
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Post by Ben Lomond on Jul 17, 2010 14:26:43 GMT
I suppose you can, like RV, bury your head in the sand and go through life singling "la, la, la". Or you could just recognise that mass immigration IS a world wide problem that is getting out of control, and which needs a united approach by the rich nations to establish some sort of reasonable control. The inevitable result of non-action is all too predictable in the long run.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 17, 2010 15:14:14 GMT
RV - Affixing blinders and burying your head in the sand won't make the problem go away. Denial is not a solution to a very serious problem. Watch this video describing conditions in Malmo Sweden, a city where there has been an unusually large Muslim influx.
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 17, 2010 16:44:29 GMT
I am NOT a Muslim.
I am a Christian.
I have lived and worked in two Muslim countries, have Muslim friends (including two who are refugees from the mad mullahs in Iran), can speak fairly good Turkish and a very little Arabic and Urdu (though I can't read Arabic or Urdu), have read the Quran and many works by Muslim scholars, and have frequently discussed my religion with other Muslims. A friend of mine is a Turkish Muslim who I helped to bring to Christianity.
I am also politically liberal, on the political left even.
Is the problem Islam? No.
The problem is fanaticism.
I hate Muslim fanatics as much as I hate Christian fanatics, Jewish fanatics, Hindu fanatics, Sikh fanatics, pagan fanatics, Marxist fanatics and atheist fanatics.
The problem is INTOLERANCE and WHATEVER the source of it is I hate it every bit as much.
I am often so fed up with the way that some people seem to have a knee-jerk reaction to ANYTHING that involves Islam or Muslims or Jews or Israel that I've frequently considered closing down this board.
I WON'T because I won't let the hate-mongers win.
Mouse is NOT a hate-monger.
I like her very much and think of her as a highly intelligent woman who just has a couple of blind spots.
We all have prejudices and Islam is one of hers.
You, RV, are also a highly intelligent man with some blind spots.
Please, everyone, let's try and have some open-mindedness on this subject.
Thank you very much.
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Post by june on Jul 17, 2010 16:55:53 GMT
Gertie on Islam WOW! can we have Adolf's views on Jews next please
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Post by june on Jul 17, 2010 16:57:45 GMT
I wonder why so many are coverting to Islam? What's the attraction do you think? Growing numbers The total number of Muslims in Great Britain: 2004: 1,870,000 2005: 2,017,000 2006: 2,142,000 2007: 2,327,000 2008: 2,422,000 and in only 4 yrs..doesnt bode well..sweden is having terrible problems
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Post by mouse on Jul 17, 2010 17:43:44 GMT
I wonder why so many are coverting to Islam? What's the attraction do you think? ] multiple reasons..all of them valid in western society..the lack of values and standards in the anything goes society we have..where every thing people once valued has been mocked and smashed down ......people looking for stability the lack of certainty and loss of a beliefe system...the churches willingness to swing in the wind and no longer believe in anything ..the unwillingness in the pc world to stand ones ground some just need an absolute to believe in..islam is very absolute..islam has no doubts as to its mission then there are the social and economic reasons ie the iranian manin adinnerjacket ...his father was jewish,,couldnt get a job couldnt feed his family so he converted and joined the mainstream of iran and became aceptable...this is happening a great deal in africa so i have read but the main reason is not conversion but birth rate and immigration[gov figures] for some its the male dominence thing in a society where men are no longer ..no longer have a position or role.. or seen as any special and are getting more and more emasculated for others its going where the wind blows..for others its necessity those are just some of the reasons i have come across from individuals talking to pshycologists in africa as a point of interests more are converting to evangelical christianity in indonesia and area the turn is toward islam ...and its economics /education based and the man thing in europe its down to births in the main 3 out of 4 converts to islam renouncing islam within 10 yrs[much of this down to mixed marriage and opting out on the break up]
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Post by mouse on Jul 17, 2010 17:55:03 GMT
several points you say the problem is not islam but is fanatism...so how do you acount for the happenings of prior 1400 yrs..all done under the islamic flag,,and all done for islam and in the name of and justified by islam and above all LEGALISED by islam ...thats a hell of a lot of fanatics to wage war on the planet and make a tidy proffit of it...do we stand a chance when its all in islamic law legal now is islam a predudice..blind spot or have i simply come to my conclussions by weighing up the evidence ,,the words,,deeds..actions,,consequences..i too have traveled and stayed in islamic coutries..met many muslims in many differing circumstances ..have muslim friends ..i havent lived my live in isolation.... and thakyou for saying i am not a hate monger..i know i dont always get my point across clearly especially these day..but thankyou..although what people think of me is their problem
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Post by mouse on Jul 17, 2010 17:58:11 GMT
Gertie on Islam WOW! can we have Adolf's views on Jews next please this is where i lose patience...what is it with people that people imeadiately become hitler if you dont agree wuith them first its obama now its wilders..strewth
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 17, 2010 20:02:11 GMT
Please read what Geert Wilders had to say and point out anything he said that isn't true. I think his presentation is factual and objective. Please show me where it is not.
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Post by jean on Jul 17, 2010 21:34:48 GMT
It's one of the reasons Patrick set up Stub Crouch; to provide a space where people could talk about things without the endless anti-Islam stuff over and over and over and over. What happens if those discussions start happening on there as well?
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Post by june on Jul 17, 2010 21:44:26 GMT
It's one of the reasons Patrick set up Stub Crouch; to provide a space where people could talk about things without the endless anti-Islam stuff over and over and over and over. What happens if those discussions start happening on there as well? People 'tut' very loudly ;D
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Post by june on Jul 17, 2010 21:50:50 GMT
Gertie on Islam WOW! can we have Adolf's views on Jews next please this is where i lose patience...what is it with people that people imeadiately become hitler if you dont agree wuith them first its obama now its wilders..strewth The parallel I was drawing is that it is well known that Gertie hates Islam, just as Hitler's views on Judaism are well documented. Neither has anything interesting to debate or discuss because they are not starting from a point of rational detachment. 'I hate these people and I will tell you why they are evil..' is not a sound rationale for informed discussion. Perhaps if I said "Jeremy Clarkson's views on th caravan club' that might help. although I fear I am doing a disservice to Mr Clarkson who is at least open to persuasive proof.
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Post by june on Jul 17, 2010 21:51:57 GMT
Bear's opinions on shitting in the woods might be more apt
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