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Post by fretslider on Jul 19, 2010 22:04:59 GMT
I am getting rather fed up with the way in which a minority of members appear to have become obsessed with finding as many negative things as possible to say about Islam. According to the Muslims the Koran contains the words of God. The Koran is to be read as if God Himself had spoken the words stated in it. 3.149: Believers ... put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. 9.123: O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil). 9.005 YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. 9.14: Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people. Needless to say there's plenty of this kill and dominate the kaffir stuff. So what's positive about it?
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 19, 2010 23:07:39 GMT
Fret said, "Needless to say there's plenty of this kill and dominate the kaffir stuff. So what's positive about it?"
Great question Fret. If anyone here knows anything positive about Islam please post it. I must say that I am unaware of anything positive about Islam.
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Post by mouse on Jul 20, 2010 8:12:34 GMT
i gather as i am still here i havent been deleted and have no need to hang my head don rags and ring a bell as i walk shouting ..unclean unclean
we are told ""islam came as/is a blessing/benefit to the world/mankind"" i can only say as yet i havent come across any blessings...and given the way things are the positives of islam would be rammed down our necks morning noon and night ...instead we have the likes of bush and blair telling us that islam means peace...which is laughable as the smoke rises behind them which begs a serious question...are our leaders lying deliberately or are they so naive and ignorent of words that they really think this when the correct word for islam is submission a bit like the posters in trafalgar square that gave us all a laugh islam is peace and the next one said behead those who insult islam......oh the irony perhaps we should have a thread about the benfits..there again perhaps not ah well...i shall have a walk around the garden and contemplate....morning all
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Post by june on Jul 20, 2010 19:51:15 GMT
Some interesting articles on here www.islamfortoday.com/adi02.htm Like all organised religions there is a huge amount of interpretation and using some words in a book to justify your actions - I just feel all of man's religion is pish.
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Post by mouse on Jul 21, 2010 6:52:54 GMT
Some interesting articles on here www.islamfortoday.com/adi02.htm Like all organised religions there is a huge amount of interpretation and using some words in a book to justify your actions - I just feel all of man's religion is pish. well i wouldnt go as far as saying all mans religions are pish but religion has i think served its purpose and its day although if a beliefe in god helps to calm or give comfort to some i have no problems with that.. its all the add ons i have a problem with religion was the crowd/social control of its day giving explanation to the then unexplainable...it gave reasons for being and living and was socially cohesive..and whay better to quell the populace who led crap lives with promise of better to come of all the religions or off shoots of religions the one most beneficial has been christian protestism and its ethics of hard work and giving back,of scholarship and improvement of the human condition and i think i say that without being partisan in any way .. of course there always has been great hypocracy..manipulation of man kind via religions which ever they were and today we have politos rather than priests..but its the same old..same old wrapped up as a different parcel....with different icons to worship....
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Post by iamjumbo on Jul 21, 2010 22:29:54 GMT
reality is ALWAYS the best argument. now, you're trying to claim that you don't know anything about islam. where have I said that? if you have not made the effort to read the koran and see what it teaches, the murder of every non muslim, subjugation of women, child molesting, etc, you have even less excuse for promoting it. Where have I said I haven't and where have I promoted Islam?those of us who lay out the truth about what the koran actually says can only show you the light. Why do I need to see your light, I don't follow Islam?your refusal to open your eyes but rather stumble around in the darkness, is your choice, and yours alone. unfortunately for the knowledgeable among us, if there becomes too many like you, we will have to suffer for your folly Open my eyes to what? Your rampant hatred of Islam, I understand that quite well, sadly. the whole difference is that i HAVE read the quoran, and i KNOW what it says. you simply accept what those dedicated to deceiving you have told you, and obviously, they were quite successful in their endeavor
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Post by iamjumbo on Jul 21, 2010 22:33:49 GMT
June Please! Where has any of us described Islam as "pure evil"! True! We condemn extremist criminal acts that were done in the name of Islam, or Christianity for that matter!
Please feel free to read any of Jim's posts about Islam - and note the use of 'evil' ;D of course, i didn't say that until you tried to claim that it is so wonderful and we should just let those who believe in murdering everyone who isn't a muslim, subjugating all women, and screwing nine year old girls, to waltz right in and be accepted in civilized society. the simple fact is that most people do not accept those things, which form the core beliefs of islam. it's sad that you do
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Post by iamjumbo on Jul 21, 2010 22:37:31 GMT
Some interesting articles on here www.islamfortoday.com/adi02.htm Like all organised religions there is a huge amount of interpretation and using some words in a book to justify your actions - I just feel all of man's religion is pish. putting up the twisted rantings of those determined to deceive the world shows exactly NOTHING. the words of the quoran aren't open to interpretation. the pedophile's hallucinations are as they came from his mouth. no amount of spinning can change what is actually written
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Post by iamjumbo on Jul 21, 2010 22:43:33 GMT
Fret said, "Needless to say there's plenty of this kill and dominate the kaffir stuff. So what's positive about it?" Great question Fret. If anyone here knows anything positive about Islam please post it. I must say that I am unaware of anything positive about Islam. there is nothing positive about it. of course, there are those who twist what the quoran says and try to spin it as positive, but, all you have to do is read it yourself. it would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic. clowns try to claim that the taliban is fanatic or something, when it is the taliban who is practicing islam in strict compliance with the quoran, exactly as the quoran says, word for word.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 21, 2010 22:56:32 GMT
Please feel free to read any of Jim's posts about Islam - and note the use of 'evil' ;D of course, i didn't say that until you tried to claim that it is so wonderful and we should just let those who believe in murdering everyone who isn't a muslim, subjugating all women, and screwing nine year old girls, to waltz right in and be accepted in civilized society. the simple fact is that most people do not accept those things, which form the core beliefs of islam. it's sad that you do Dearest Jim! There are of course moderate Muslims, who don't qualify as "fundamentalists". They believe that Muhammed's wife Aisha was an adult and that the Muslim writings claiming she was a child are wrong or it was copied wrongly.
The extremists like Bin Laden, who want to murder Westerners, are very rare and denounced by even the strictest Muslims!
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 22, 2010 1:05:50 GMT
Anna - I do wonder whether the moderate Muslims you mention present the same face to westerners as they present to extremists.
In other words, if you were to ask them what they think of 9/11 you might get one answer. But a fervent Jihadist member of their extended family might get a different answer.
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Post by chefmate on Jul 22, 2010 1:22:30 GMT
Anna - I do wonder whether the moderate Muslims you mention present the same face to westerners as they present to extremists. In other words, if you were to ask them what they think of 9/11 you might get one answer. But a fervent Jihadist member of their extended family might get a different answer. Read A God Who Hates by Wafa Sultan.
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Post by mouse on Jul 22, 2010 8:04:36 GMT
[/color][/size][/quote] yes they say they believe aisha was adult ...but then they would wouldnt they for it is politic to do so..even though all the evidence points to the the fact she was a child...and yet at the same time the very same people are happy to acept other evidences ie that it was a happy marriage[as it seeems to have been]..as a practising muslim once said to me...islam is not a pick and mix system ..and must be acepted in entirety.
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Post by mouse on Jul 22, 2010 8:08:52 GMT
Anna - I do wonder whether the moderate Muslims you mention present the same face to westerners as they present to extremists. In other words, if you were to ask them what they think of 9/11 you might get one answer. But a fervent Jihadist member of their extended family might get a different answer. very true bush...dunno if you have seen the ..under cover mosques.... program...very interesting that what is said when thought to be in private is totally different than what is said in public......and some of the out spoken were not fervent jihadist but just your every day types....never judge a book by its cover....
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Post by mouse on Jul 22, 2010 9:21:09 GMT
i think its very telling that women apear very much to the forefront of pushing for change and being the most out spoken critics of this mysoginistic and murderous cult but then its the women who suffer most[as always]....while the men lord it over their chattels quite legally
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Post by june on Jul 22, 2010 16:07:31 GMT
Some interesting articles on here www.islamfortoday.com/adi02.htm Like all organised religions there is a huge amount of interpretation and using some words in a book to justify your actions - I just feel all of man's religion is pish. putting up the twisted rantings of those determined to deceive the world shows exactly NOTHING. the words of the quoran aren't open to interpretation. the pedophile's hallucinations are as they came from his mouth. no amount of spinning can change what is actually written so you didn't bother to read the link I'm finding your posts on Islam more and more offensive - if you cannot moderate yourself, stay off the subject. You add nothing to mature considered debate here.
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Post by june on Jul 22, 2010 16:10:39 GMT
reality is ALWAYS the best argument. now, you're trying to claim that you don't know anything about islam. where have I said that? if you have not made the effort to read the koran and see what it teaches, the murder of every non muslim, subjugation of women, child molesting, etc, you have even less excuse for promoting it. Where have I said I haven't and where have I promoted Islam?those of us who lay out the truth about what the koran actually says can only show you the light. Why do I need to see your light, I don't follow Islam?your refusal to open your eyes but rather stumble around in the darkness, is your choice, and yours alone. unfortunately for the knowledgeable among us, if there becomes too many like you, we will have to suffer for your folly Open my eyes to what? Your rampant hatred of Islam, I understand that quite well, sadly. the whole difference is that i HAVE read the quoran, and i KNOW what it says. you simply accept what those dedicated to deceiving you have told you, and obviously, they were quite successful in their endeavor Bully for you - however that still doesn't detract from the fact that you have just fibby fib fibbed about things you want me to have said that I haven't!
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Post by iamjumbo on Jul 22, 2010 20:54:03 GMT
putting up the twisted rantings of those determined to deceive the world shows exactly NOTHING. the words of the quoran aren't open to interpretation. the pedophile's hallucinations are as they came from his mouth. no amount of spinning can change what is actually written so you didn't bother to read the link I'm finding your posts on Islam more and more offensive - if you cannot moderate yourself, stay off the subject. You add nothing to mature considered debate here. of course i read the link. of course, i've seen the garbage before. there's another site that's almost identical. their putting up outright lies on the internet does NOT change reality. they can put all the honey on that cat turd that they want, but they will never make it a jelly donut
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Post by iamjumbo on Jul 22, 2010 20:57:20 GMT
the whole difference is that i HAVE read the quoran, and i KNOW what it says. you simply accept what those dedicated to deceiving you have told you, and obviously, they were quite successful in their endeavor Bully for you - however that still doesn't detract from the fact that you have just fibby fib fibbed about things you want me to have said that I haven't! of course, i haven't fibbed yet. you HAVE said everything that i pointed out, either explicitly or implicitly
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Post by iamjumbo on Jul 22, 2010 21:06:30 GMT
of course, i didn't say that until you tried to claim that it is so wonderful and we should just let those who believe in murdering everyone who isn't a muslim, subjugating all women, and screwing nine year old girls, to waltz right in and be accepted in civilized society. the simple fact is that most people do not accept those things, which form the core beliefs of islam. it's sad that you do Dearest Jim! There are of course moderate Muslims, who don't qualify as "fundamentalists". They believe that Muhammed's wife Aisha was an adult and that the Muslim writings claiming she was a child are wrong or it was copied wrongly.
The extremists like Bin Laden, who want to murder Westerners, are very rare and denounced by even the strictest Muslims!which muslim, particularly a leader, ever stood and totally publicly repudiated the garbage that was rioting about the danish cartoons? which muslim, particularly a leader, ever publicly stated that salmon rushdie was a brilliant man, and totally accurate in his writings? which muslim, particularly a leader, has publicly condemned the existence of hamas and hezbollah. which muslim leader has publicly announced that women are totally equal to men? when you can produce one, then, and only then, can you claim that there is such a thing as a "moderate" muslim. of course, the fact is that he wouldn't be muslim at all since he would be violating the primary tenets of his quoran only the very stupid would try to claim that aisha was a woman. not only are they calling the pedophile a liar, it is a matter of historical record that she was nine, so the attempt at revisionist history simply reminds us of those who like to try to revise the history of world war two
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