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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 28, 2010 17:16:58 GMT
I suspect that the members here who want this thread shut down are suffering from a powerful phobia concerning the subject. I share this phobia somewhat too, but my feelings towards stopping this cruel crime against humanity are stronger!
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 28, 2010 17:47:51 GMT
Anna, I'm not aware that anyone has asked that the thread be locked down.
More the question is, on a discussion board, where everybody agrees that FGM is a horrible thing that needs to be eradicated, what purpose does it serve to keep posting stuff that anyone with an interest could google for themselves?
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Post by june on Jul 28, 2010 17:51:58 GMT
Anna, I'm not aware that anyone has asked that the thread be locked down. More the question is, on a discussion board, where everybody agrees that FGM is a horrible thing that needs to be eradicated, what purpose does it serve to keep posting stuff that anyone with an interest could google for themselves? Stop using logic Riotgrrl - that's tantamount to condoning FGM. ;D
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 28, 2010 20:33:31 GMT
Anna, I'm not aware that anyone has asked that the thread be locked down. More the question is, on a discussion board, where everybody agrees that FGM is a horrible thing that needs to be eradicated, what purpose does it serve to keep posting stuff that anyone with an interest could google for themselves? I've learned a lot of new things by researching for this thread. We have a lot of Kurdish refugees in Germany, claiming persecution from Turks, Iraqis and Iranians. I never suspected that "Kurdistan" was guilty of this barbaric practice and will question not only Kurds, but those people from other "red flag" countries supporting this cruelty.
If our disapproval moves just one family against subjecting their child to this mutilation because they are made aware by us that the country they reside in condemns this outrage and they may be prosecuted, if they mutilate their child during a vacation, then this thread would be one of the most valuable threads on the forum!!
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Post by june on Jul 28, 2010 21:09:47 GMT
Anna, I'm not aware that anyone has asked that the thread be locked down. More the question is, on a discussion board, where everybody agrees that FGM is a horrible thing that needs to be eradicated, what purpose does it serve to keep posting stuff that anyone with an interest could google for themselves? I've learned a lot of new things by researching for this thread. We have a lot of Kurdish refugees in Germany, claiming persecution from Turks, Iraqis and Iranians. I never suspected that "Kurdistan" was guilty of this barbaric practice and will question not only Kurds, but those people from other "red flag" countries supporting this cruelty.
If our disapproval moves just one family against subjecting their child to this mutilation because they are made aware by us that the country they reside in condemns this outrage and they may be prosecuted, if they mutilate their child during a vacation, then this thread would be one of the most valuable threads on the forum!!But no one here other than members are going to read this thread. No members here practice FGM. How will this thread stop anyone?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 28, 2010 21:35:10 GMT
Anna, I'm not aware that anyone has asked that the thread be locked down. More the question is, on a discussion board, where everybody agrees that FGM is a horrible thing that needs to be eradicated, what purpose does it serve to keep posting stuff that anyone with an interest could google for themselves? Stop using logic Riotgrrl - that's tantamount to condoning FGM. ;D Dearest June and Riotgrrl!! If we remain passive offline, silent and uninformed no one will be helped by us. This thread will soon be picked up by Google searches and others will find it! I for one will not remain silent offline on this around citizens of the FGM practicing countries!
If the thread topic disturbs you too much everyone here understands that and no one obligates you or expects you or those who share your feelings to read or post on this thread!
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Post by june on Jul 28, 2010 21:47:08 GMT
Stop using logic Riotgrrl - that's tantamount to condoning FGM. ;D Dearest June and Riotgrrl!! If we remain passive offline, silent and uninformed no one will be helped by us. This thread will soon be picked up by Google searches and others will find it! I for one will not remain silent offline on this around citizens of the FGM practicing countries!
If the thread topic disturbs you too much everyone here understands that and no one obligates you or expects you or those who share your feelings to read or post on this thread!this thread does not disturb me
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 29, 2010 0:26:20 GMT
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Post by pumpkinette on Jul 29, 2010 4:28:26 GMT
Anna, I'm not aware that anyone has asked that the thread be locked down. More the question is, on a discussion board, where everybody agrees that FGM is a horrible thing that needs to be eradicated, what purpose does it serve to keep posting stuff that anyone with an interest could google for themselves? Please realize that some people have limited time so for them to find information on a board they DO have the time to log into every day is quicker than doing a general search.
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Post by mouse on Jul 29, 2010 6:57:00 GMT
i still think if you dont like the subject ignore the thread
or start another thread on a subject which is of interest to you
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 29, 2010 7:09:32 GMT
Anna, I'm not aware that anyone has asked that the thread be locked down. More the question is, on a discussion board, where everybody agrees that FGM is a horrible thing that needs to be eradicated, what purpose does it serve to keep posting stuff that anyone with an interest could google for themselves? Please realize that some people have limited time so for them to find information on a board they DO have the time to log into every day is quicker than doing a general search. Yes, I can see that point too. However, some people when they log in quickly want to get to the meat and the discussions and, if they do 'last 50 posts' they end up getting all the information stuff and not the debates. I suppose if you read a board by thread and not by 'last 50' you can easily manage which threads you read and which you don't. I just objected to the idea that anyone who complained about a long information-based thread was somehow condoning FGM.
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 29, 2010 7:10:41 GMT
Stop using logic Riotgrrl - that's tantamount to condoning FGM. ;D
If the thread topic disturbs you too much everyone here understands that and no one obligates you or expects you or those who share your feelings to read or post on this thread!Of course it doesn't disturb me. I do wish you would stop twisting every comment like this.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 30, 2010 5:27:13 GMT
Two Islamic Scholars debate FGM on Saudi Arabian TV! I'm glad to see a Muslim Sheik energetically attack FGM as a crime, which should be outlawed! The other Muslim from Egypt sites obscure and contradictory hadiths, with no basis in the Koran, to support his views!
You might have to click the link below the embedded YouTube video for viewing because YouTube is starting to disable embedded videos on forums!
Saudi Arabia has succeded in marginalizing FGM, but sadly it remains the norm in some countries!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 27, 2010 4:14:32 GMT
I'm glad that the Arab News Organisation Aljazeera takes a stand against this barbaric practice!!
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Post by jean on Aug 27, 2010 8:01:27 GMT
I think that video is interesting, even for us who are united in our horror of the practice, because it makes it quite clear that (some) Muslim clerics argue strongly against it and say that it is nota part of Islam (which some posters here have claimed it is.)
Interesting that the cleric who approves of it will never answer the interviewer's question why it's done.
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Post by mouse on Aug 27, 2010 8:52:19 GMT
I think that video is interesting, even for us who are united in our horror of the practice, because it makes it quite clear that (some) Muslim clerics argue strongly against it and say that it is nota part of Islam (which some posters here have claimed it is.) Interesting that the cleric who approves of it will never answer the interviewer's question why it's done. it is considered islamic and justified as islamic because the prophet mohammed condoned it....that is why its considered islamic by some .....the condoning is perfectly clear...the prophet when asked about FGM replyed ""a small cut"" so how any one can say ""its quite clear"" its NOT a part of islam is spining a yarn....and not being wholly truthful or doesnt know what they are talking about it would be more truthful to say it is NOT mandatory... the same with the hijab...neither are mandatory...but both can be practised without going against islam.....and that is the real issue......rather like beheading is not mandatory...but is by some considered the right way of killing simply because the prophet used that method with captives and traitors and so some followers as we know follow suit the fact that the scholars can argue FGM based on the hadiths[and not so obscure either]should make it quite clear this is an area which can be allowable or not ..... to be for FGM is not against islam and to be against is not against islam
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Post by jean on Aug 27, 2010 9:36:10 GMT
Even if only some Muslim clerics state unequivocally that FGM is not integral to Islam (though obviously it's a pre-existing cultural practice that was to some extent accepted by it), I'll give more credence to them than to you if you don't mind, mouse.
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Post by mouse on Aug 27, 2010 10:02:17 GMT
Even if only some Muslim clerics state unequivocally that FGM is not integral to Islam (though obviously it's a pre-existing cultural practice that was to some extent accepted by it), I'll give more credence to them than to you if you don't mind, mouse. no i dont mind in the slightest...why should i the fact you would rather not aknowledge that it is not mandatory but can be and is justified shows a closed mind on a problem that exists because of what one man said 1400 yrs ago......that is your problem not mine..and one of the reasons this barbaric custom continues there has always been argument on this issue..the argument will no doubt continue... the main trouble is that mohamed actually comented...had he said nothing it wouldnt be a problem..but he did and one can surmise he wasnt happy with the custom hence his ""small cut"" coment....and thus this barbaric process can be seen by those of the mindset as islamic rather like the program the other night on cousin mariage..where several people when asked about cousin relationships made the coment ""it isnt against islam ""indicating because it isnt seen as being unislamic it is there fore allowable in islam and as such they saw nothing wrong and would continue in the practice..regardless of medical advice its all in the mindset
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Post by jean on Aug 27, 2010 13:17:46 GMT
the fact you would rather not aknowledge that it is not mandatory but can be and is justified shows a closed mind... You do not express my position very well, mouse. I know, because there's plenty of evidence, that FGM is a practice that predates Islam. I know too that in parts of the world where it was endemic, Muslims adopted it. I know that a numnber of clerics (including the one in anna's video) dissociate Islam from it. I know that Coptic Christians practise it too. Can we have a thread about them now? (And can you perhaps give some evidence that by not accepting everything you say I give evidence of having a 'closed mind'?)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2010 19:06:35 GMT
I feel as though I'm looking at one of those "spot the difference" pictures, and can't!
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