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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 13, 2010 15:23:35 GMT
www.france24.com/en/20090702-female-genital-mutilation-cutting-france-women-rights-violation QUOTE: Female genital mutilation, a social reality in France By sleduc Created 02/07/2009 - 14:15 In France, an estimated 60,000 women have been subjected to female genital mutilation, having been circumcised in secrecy in France or sent back to their family's home country. Its a little-known fact that in Europe there are almost 7 million circumcised women. In France there are at least 60,000 adults and several thousand minors who have been circumcised.
Female circumcision is also carried out on babies just a few days old, too young to be able remember it. Few survive.
The practice has been widely reported in the media and happens less often today in France, but it hasn't been completely eradicated. Despite efforts to stop the practice, every year around 20,000 young women risk circumcision in France.
In France, all children have to have medical tests until the age of six, after which its impossible to check the physical integrity of a child.
So now, some parents wait until a young girl turns six before taking them on holiday to their country of origin and circumcising them.
Pierre Foldes, a surgeon and urologist in the Paris suburbs, aims to ease the pain for these women. Twenty-five years ago, he invented a surgical method which can repair the damage caused by the knife.
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Post by alanseago on Jul 13, 2010 15:52:59 GMT
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Post by o on Jul 13, 2010 16:31:33 GMT
Hardly comparable to the female version. Surely you'd agree?
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Post by firedancer on Jul 13, 2010 16:59:00 GMT
I know it's not a subject for fun so I shouldn't laugh but I couldn't help it. Whenever anyone starts a thread on any message board about FGM it's a racing certainty that within a handful of posts the subject of male circumcision will be raised. This thread tops the lot though with it being raised as the first response ;D
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Post by jean on Jul 13, 2010 17:36:22 GMT
Quite so, firedancer.
But why are we still giving the men some sort of excuse by referring to these practices as female circumcision?
Female genital mutilation (FGM) is more accurate.
(How long, I wonder, before the post asserting that it is the women in these cultures who insist on subjecting their daughters to this?)
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 13, 2010 18:03:12 GMT
Quite so, firedancer. But why are we still giving the men some sort of excuse by referring to these practices as female circumcision? Female genital mutilation (FGM) is more accurate. (How long, I wonder, before the post asserting that it is the women in these cultures who insist on subjecting their daughters to this?) Agreed Jean! Yes! The so called "female circumsion" is genital mutilation-the amputation of the clitoris, etc.! The only reason i had to use "circumsion" in the thread title was because a title with "genital mutilation" exceded the allowed amount of letters and so i begrudgingly used the shorter PC term for this cruel horror!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 13, 2010 18:09:44 GMT
Dearest Alan! My response to Jean says it all! Really if male circumcision went beyond just removing the foreskin on the male organ and part of the penis was amputated you'd agree to that this was mutilation. The journalists are probably afraid of Jihadist reprisals, if they use the term female gentital mutilation.
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Post by june on Jul 13, 2010 18:11:18 GMT
what's the purpose of posting a year old article?
And Alan is right - male circumcision is the norm in the USA for 'cosmetic' reasons - it's equally as barbaric and removes sensation.
I don't understand the desire to lop bits off of children but hey, people are shits what can I say.
Ban it all.
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Post by june on Jul 13, 2010 18:13:05 GMT
This constant Islam bashing is really getting dull. Any interesting debate is being stifled.
gah - I'll leave you to it.
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Post by jean on Jul 13, 2010 18:34:51 GMT
...male circumcision is...equally as barbaric... There is no sort of male circumcision currently practised which can compare with infibulation as practised on girls. It is insulting to the suffering of these girls to introduce references to male circumcision every time FGM is mentioned. And who said anything about Islam? FGM is not an Islamic practice - in the parts of the world where it is culturally required, Christians and others practise it too. And where it isn't, Muslims have not introduced it.
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Post by Synonym on Jul 13, 2010 18:35:53 GMT
I thought it was well known that FGM goes on in the UK and other European areas. But one commentWhy would it cause the death of babies? Is it the unsterile conditions? I ask as it does not seem to me that cutting a piece of 'skin' off would be intrinsically fatal to babies.
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Post by jean on Jul 13, 2010 18:40:58 GMT
Why would it cause the death of babies? Is it the unsterile conditions? I ask as it does not seem to me that cutting a piece of 'skin' off would be intrinsically fatal to babies. It's a lot more than 'a piece of skin' in the case of girls, Octopus. Even older girls can bleed to death.
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Post by Synonym on Jul 13, 2010 18:42:32 GMT
Fair enough. It is a pity that it is the sort of thing that isn't publicly visible and so justice can almost never be attained for the victim.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 13, 2010 18:49:02 GMT
what's the purpose of posting a year old article? And Alan is right - male circumcision is the norm in the USA for 'cosmetic' reasons - it's equally as barbaric and removes sensation. I don't understand the desire to lop bits off of children but hey, people are shits what can I say. Ban it all. In the case of "phimosis" ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phimosis ) male circumsion seems to be the lesser of the 2 evils. The health insurance in Germany will pay for the circumcision. If i have the say as to whether or not a male child is circumcised then the answer is NO! Unless medically warranted, such as is the case with a painful phimosis!
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Post by june on Jul 13, 2010 19:44:33 GMT
Jean just because it happens to men it doesn't make it less barbaric. Who'd agree any mutilation of children (or adults against their will) is OK? And if you want to know who mentioned Islam perhaps you should read the title of this thread Interesting article on jewish circumcision www.jewishcircumcision.org/spectator.htm
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 13, 2010 21:18:35 GMT
This constant Islam bashing is really getting dull. Any interesting debate is being stifled. Well I suppose you could start a Muslim Admiration Thread if that would make you happy.
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Post by june on Jul 13, 2010 21:26:59 GMT
This constant Islam bashing is really getting dull. Any interesting debate is being stifled. Well I suppose you could start a Muslim Admiration Thread if that would make you happy. I don't admire any organised religious sect. But there does seem to be a pervading view on here that all the worlds ills is because of Islam. That sort of low rent tabloid thinking is really tiresome. It's as if we are playing debate bridge and Islam trumps everything else in the pack.
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Post by jean on Jul 13, 2010 21:33:51 GMT
Ah yes - didn't read the thread title properly.
But it's not because it happens to women that I regared FGM as more barbaric than male circumcision - it's because it is, by any standards you care to apply.
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Post by june on Jul 13, 2010 21:48:36 GMT
Ah yes - didn't read the thread title properly. But it's not because it happens to women that I regared FGM as more barbaric than male circumcision - it's because it is, by any standards you care to apply. I just don't see anything to be gained by playing mutilation of the sexes top trumps
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Post by o on Jul 13, 2010 22:15:45 GMT
The only reason i had to use "circumsion" in the thread title was because a title with "genital mutilation" exceded the allowed amount of letters.. [/color][/size][/quote] You'd have fit it in if you'd missed off the words "Muslim Mandated" which are not necessary as Jean helpfully points out: And you still haven't really answered June's question: Is there some special reason for starting this thread now or is it (as June suggests) simply an Islam bashing exercise?
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