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Post by gabriel on Oct 23, 2009 11:17:01 GMT
Well, Australia is heading into one day battles with India on the sub-continent. Hauritz is putting his hand up to be recognised.wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=919532Hauritz keen for spin test against India By Sam Lienert Fri Oct 23 2009 Off-spinner Nathan Hauritz is looking forward to taking on India's batsmen on their home turf. In-form Australian off-spinner Nathan Hauritz says he will relish the chance to take on India's batsmen in their home conditions. Hauritz, due to represent NSW in the final of the Champions League Twenty20 (CLT20) against Trinidad and Tobago in Hyderabad on Friday night, will then link up with Australia's one-day squad. A seven-match series between the world's two highest-ranked one-day international nations begins in Vadodara on Sunday. It will be the 28-year-old's first international in India since he made his Test debut in Mumbai almost five years ago. And Hauritz said it was an occasion he had been studiously preparing for. "I've been trying to watch the way (India's batsmen) play spin as much as I can, they're obviously the best players of spin in the world," the tweaker said on the International Cricket Council (ICC) website. "I've just been trying to monitor what they do, where they use their feet and that sort of thing. "It's going to be a fantastic challenge playing over here against those boys." Hauritz said the CLT20 campaign had proved ideal preparation for the one-day series, particularly after Australia's long Test and one-day tour of England and then the Champions Trophy in South Africa. "It's been fantastic always being picked, but I guess also this champions league now (provides) a bit of a break from the rigours of one-dayers and Test matches," he said. "You're playing 20 overs, then you've got two days off, light training and that sort of thing, it lets your body re-energise. "I haven't had an opportunity to play on a real turning wicket yet, like Bangalore, but it's been good getting used to the conditions and getting used to the weather." He said the quick turnaround from 20-over to 50-over formats was not an issue. "I've still got to take wickets, my role is to take wickets and not go for many runs," he said. "There's obviously days where the ball's not going to come out well and I'm going to get hit for runs, but it's just good fun playing all formats of the game at the moment." He is not about to complain about the hectic schedule, given his previous long absence from the Australian team. His 2004 Test debut, when he filled in for an injured Shane Warne, yielded match figures of 5-103, including the prize wicket of Sachin Tendulkar, but it was four years until he represented his country again. "I try to stay pretty grounded and just focus on just trying to play as well as I can each opportunity I get, because I know they are few and far between," he said.
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Post by gabriel on Oct 23, 2009 11:24:59 GMT
Well, Hauritz mentions Warne so I just have to post this. Much as I dislike Warne as a person and I do, you can never take away from him the ball of the century. Gatting never knew what happened and the look of disbelief on Dickie Bird's face is priceless. How the hell did Warne get that much spin on that ball? It looks like it comes in almost on a right angle. I didn't believe it then and I still can't believe now that anyone could tweak such a perfect delivery. Anyway, here it is.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 23, 2009 13:08:59 GMT
I wish cricket was better known outside of the UK and former colonies. There is another game called Rounders played in Great Britain that intrigues me too!
I'm very familar with baseball and love this chess game on the field type of play with is typical for cricket!
BUT catching hard hit balls without a protective glove is something that the British will probably never export!
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Post by gabriel on Oct 23, 2009 13:15:41 GMT
Well Anna, yeah, it's a difficult game to try to explain and I can understand you thinking why don't the fielders wear gloves. Well the wicket keeper does but he's the one who takes the main force of the delivery. What I posted was a slow bowler. The quicks deliver a ball as fast as a fast pitcher in baseball. But cricketers are men and we don't need protective equipment. Where's my cup?
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Post by gabriel on Oct 23, 2009 13:43:00 GMT
Yeah, it can be really painful for wicket keepers. Ian Healy, who kept for Australia for about 10 years, has deformed fingers. Don't know what Rod Marsh's hands look like.
The only players who wear gloves are the keeper and the batsmen.
And no, the keeper's gloves are nowhere near as protective as baseball players' gloves.
In case you haven't realised it, I was a keeper for years in indoor cricket. Let's just say my hands tingled at the end of an innings. I think keeper is the best job of the lot. I really enjoyed trying to work out what my bowlers were going to send down, what the batsman was going to do and how I could get them out. Diving catches and stumping them were my favourites.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 23, 2009 13:44:12 GMT
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Post by gabriel on Oct 23, 2009 14:10:36 GMT
No probs. It's just past midnight and I won't be online for much longer.
This is a blast from the past. The 2 greatest fast bowlers I've ever seen. Lillee and Thompson. In the Ashes against Tony Greig's England side. Bowling short. And fast. Marsh is the keeper. Oh yeah, his hands would have been tingling.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 24, 2009 5:47:55 GMT
Dearest Gabriel! You're video was kind of scary with all the hit batsmen! In baseball the batters as a rule wear a protective helmet nowadays! There were fatalities in baseball from hit batsmen and i'm sure cricket is even more dangerous! It seems like the bowler is closer to the batter than in baseball.
Bowling is different from baseball pitching! A bowler is allowed to run up to what in baseball is known as the pitching mound. In baseball this isn't allowed and the pitcher has to do a windup for velocity!
Also in cricket the bowler often bounces the ball off the ground. There is either a hard surface on the cricket field to make that bounce or the cricket ball bounces better than a baseball! In baseball the grass would take a lot of velocity off the throw/bowl if a pitcher ( bowler ) tried to bounce the ball! The batter could then wallop the ball if it came in the strike zone!
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Post by gabriel on Oct 24, 2009 6:24:10 GMT
Anna, the ball has to hit the ground before it goes on to the batsman. Where the guys are being hit, well, it's their fault for not getting out of the way but usually they're bunnies, tail enders, bowlers themselves. Not always but often. That kind of ball is called a bouncer. The bowler bowls short, the ball rears up and goes for the batsman's head or upper body.
Yes, it can cause damage and batsman now can wear head protection if they choose. A batsman is wearing a chest guard, arm guard and leg pads but they are under his shirt and pants. And he wears a cup. The guys who get hit usually aren't the best batters. Usually, but not always.
And for the English readers, you started it. But Aust finished it. And Thommo, the great, the incomparable, gets Greig with his Yorker, the Thommo sandshoe crusher. Lillee really hated Greig, didn't he? But as Lillee said, Just remember, you started this.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 24, 2009 14:51:04 GMT
baseball-slightly enlarged i believe. cricket? size? Bouncing the ball wouldn't work in baseball because the grassy field and softer ground would take a good 15 miles off the velocity. i guess it would be impossible to throw/bowl a "knuckel ball" in cricket if bouncing is neccesary. In baseball the pitcher ( bowler ) throws this pitch/bowl off his knuckles so that the ball has no spin and the aorodynamics cause the ball to flutter and dart around. It's a slow pitch/bowl -about 75 miles on average, but hard to hit and hard to catch. The curveball that a righthander would throw would curve away from a righthanded batsman/batter and inward towards a lefthanded batsman/batter, also tough to hit. The catcher ( wicker keeper ) gives a sign for a certain pitch with his hand between his legs so he'll be better prepared to catch it. The pitcher can shake off the sign or nod in agreement. It seems like in cricket it's no big deal if the wicker keeper doesn't catch the bowl, but in baseball with runners for the opposing team on any of the 3 baseball bases on the playing field a missed catch or wild pitch/bowl is costly to the defending team.
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Post by Big Lin on Oct 24, 2009 17:41:50 GMT
Fielding mistakes in cricket (whether by the wicket-keeper, a slip catcher, a cover point or even a mistake on the guys patrolling the boundary) can be VERY expensive.
I've seen games where a dropped catch or a failed run-out has led to literally hundreds of runs being scored that shouldn't have been and to the whole course of the match being changed.
Because of the different type of ball used in cricket and baseball, you can do different things. You can't bowl googlies, doosras or similar types of delivery with a baseball (I've tried and it's impossible!) and some baseball pitches don't work with a cricket ball either.
One of the big differences of course is that in cricket you can bowl bouncers (baseball doesn't allow that sort of delivery) and of course, because you have a plate instead of a wicket you can't bowl yorkers either.
I'm looking forward to South Africa though with a lot of trepidation. Our one good point is that our spinners are better than theirs. On the other hand, their batting line-up is awesome.
I don't fancy our chances to be honest.
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Post by gabriel on Oct 25, 2009 5:52:19 GMT
What's the bet that SA groundskeepers won't prepare pitches friendly to spin? And what's the bet Indian pitches will be spin friendly?
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Post by gabriel on Oct 27, 2009 7:33:36 GMT
Aust beat India by the skin of their teeth. Not promising.
However, Lin...http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=920156
S Africa's Cook makes record 390 stand 07:48 AEST Mon Oct 26 2009
Stephen Cook scored a South African first-class record 390 runs in a four-day national championship match that ended on Sunday.
The 26-year-old Highveld Lions opener batted for 838 minutes over three days, faced 648 balls and struck 53 fours and one six against Eastern Cape Warriors in East London before being trapped leg before by Johan Botha.
A son of former South Africa Test batsman Jimmy, Cook reached 100 off 226 balls, 200 off 411 and 300 off 569 as the Lions ended the final day on 9-690 off 224 overs in their first innings of a drawn match.
Cook surpassed Barry Richards, who made 356 for South Australia against Western Australia in the 1970-71 season, while the previous domestic best of 337 not out was struck by Daryll Cullinan 16 seasons ago.
Warriors, whose 532 was anchored by 154-run Ashwell Prince, won the bonus-point battle 6.58 to 5.10 despite the heroics of Cook in a match that marked the South African debut of England discard Monty Panesar.
The spinner experienced little joy with the Lions as his two wickets cost 131 runs in 37 overs and he was bowled for a duck by Botha after facing just seven balls.
I wonder if he could be making his debut against England soon?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 27, 2009 19:30:52 GMT
I'm busy looking up Lin's terms for bowling techniques! A yorker en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorker ok bounce the ball as close as possible to where the batter stands. The "full toss" which is normal in baseball is probaly illegal or doesn't count in cricket. Some of the baseball pitches/bowls can cause serious arm injury such as the notorious "screwball", which spins in the opposite direction as a curveball. At the moment only one professional baseball pitcher/bowler will on occaison risk throwing this pitch. The Americanism 'screwed', meaning messed up, broken, defective, etc. probably originated from the self inflicted injuries that the screwball pitch initiates. Or is the expression "screwed" or "screwed up" normal in the UK and Austrailia?
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Post by Liberator on Oct 27, 2009 20:52:36 GMT
Yes but nobody thought its origins as innocent as that! Bowling is a very peculiar action because it started as a trick round a loophole in the rules that the ball was not be thrown allowing the elbow out away from the body, which at the time meant underarm. Then some bright spark realised that he could deliver a much faster ball overhead without breaking the letter of the Laws of Cricket whatever he did to their spirit. It was considered ungentlemanly at the time but that never stopped anybody from doing it until it became the norm. I suppose that if somebody were to revert to slow spin underarm bowling it could be so unfamiliar that nobody would know how to deal with it.
The legendary Victorian Dr. WG Grace was also one of the dirtiest batsmen of all time who knew just when to sneeze or cough just as the bowler was coming in. On one occasion putting a guest appearance in late in his career he's said to have refused to accept being bowled put by a silly mistake early on in the innings on the grounds that "They've come to see me, not you!"
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Post by gabriel on Oct 27, 2009 21:11:54 GMT
Anna, screwed up isn't a term used in cricket, unless, of course, your batting, bowling or fielding is pretty sad.
The bowling terms Lin talks about are different kinds of deliveries. Some are for fast bowlers, some are for slow bowlers.wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=920327Late arrivals leave Ponting fuming By Daniel Brettig 23:18 AEST Mon Oct 26 2009 Ricky Ponting is unhappy about the cramped schedule making cricketers underprepared for matches. Lee, Hopes ruled out of second one-dayer Australian captain Ricky Ponting is unhappy about the cramped schedule that left him with an under-prepared team in Sunday's first limited overs match against India at Vadodara. One-off circumstances that saw the Ashes, the Champions Trophy, the inaugural Twenty20 Champions League and a seven-match tour of the subcontinent mashed untidily together did not stop Ponting from expressing his distaste for having three of his players join him at 8.30pm the night before the first match.NSW representatives Brett Lee, Nathan Hauritz and Doug Bollinger missed all of the tourists' preparations, including four training sessions and the match eve team meeting. They also arrived fatigued, possibly contributing to elbow soreness Lee was complaining of by the end of the match - something that precluded Ponting from using him at the death as a likely comfortable win turned into a narrow scrape to victory. "There's no doubt those guys playing in the (Champions League) final hindered our preparation," Ponting said. "We had three players fly in and get to the hotel at 8.30pm Saturday night and we're leaving the hotel at 7am on match morning. "There was not much time for us to get our team tactics in order. We had a team meeting after training and those blokes were not even here. "It hindered our preparation and theirs. "Now we have our whole group together we will be able to talk tactics through and see how we go from there." While sympathising with Ponting, a Cricket Australia spokesman admitted the "unique set of circumstances" had meant the first match of the one day series was always going to be a difficult assignment. Lee's elbow niggle and a hamstring strain to allrounder James Hopes were additions to an injury list already cause for concern. Hopes is unlikely to be fit in time for the second match of the series at Nagpur on Wednesday, and Lee will have to prove his fitness before he can play. "He got a little bit sore in his elbow towards the end of his second bowling spell," Ponting said of Lee. "He came off and had it looked at then came back on and fielded for the rest of the game but right at the moment we are not sure." Australian team physiotherapist Kevin Sims later ruled out Hopes for the Nagpur game and said Lee and Mitchell Johnson would have late tests."Hopes, Lee and Johnson all underwent scans in Vadodara this morning," Sims said. "James has suffered a minor right hamstring strain. He will therefore be unavailable for the next match, but is expected to be available for the latter games of this series. "Lee has a mild right elbow strain and will continue to be treated and assessed prior to the next game. "Johnson suffered an inversion strain of his left ankle. He will now receive treatment and, as with Brett, it will depend on how he responds to treatment over the next two days before a decision is made on his availability for the second game of the series." Johnson hurt his ankle while fielding early in the match on Sunday and appeared to be in significant pain but he left the field briefly and returned to complete his 10 overs and take two wickets. I might point to Mr Ponting that his men are professional cricketers and are being compensated as such.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 27, 2009 23:42:13 GMT
Anna, screwed up isn't a term used in cricket, unless, of course, your batting, bowling or fielding is pretty sad.
The bowling terms Lin talks about are different kinds of deliveries. Some are for fast bowlers, some are for slow bowlers. "Screwed up" is always negative! The question is whether this expression had something to do with the "screwball", which can dislocate your shoulder if you try to throw it with the velocity of a professional baseball pitcher! The screwball used to be thrown more often until it became clear that throwing it could abruptly end a pitcher's career! I'm glad "screwed up" is understood and used as an expression in Austrailia! I hate the vulgar expression "f---ed up"
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Post by gabriel on Oct 28, 2009 11:18:22 GMT
Anna, I've never watched a baseball game so you'll have to excuse my ignorance. I'm sure that the different pitches used put great stress on the body. And a 'screwball' doesn't sound pleasant.
And being a fast bowler means putting your body through great stress. A pitcher, as you say, winds up on the mound. A fast bowler starts his run in from way off then delivers with all that force.
Anyway, latest results from India V Australia.
India, 1st innings. 3 for199. H'm. Doesn't sound good for Australia.
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Post by chefmate on Oct 28, 2009 12:59:06 GMT
I wonder why crickett never caught on in the USA?
I prefer playing baseball to watching it.....it was a great pastime when we were growing up until the day I took a line drive between the eyes......maybe that is why I'm a little fuked up in life....
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Post by gabriel on Oct 28, 2009 13:07:01 GMT
chef, I played softball in my teens. I was OK until I threw the bat and hit one of my friends across the bridge of the nose and broke it. You don't throw bats in cricket. Not unless you're pi**** off with the Umpire then ..well
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