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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 8, 2016 17:03:41 GMT
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Post by mikemarshall on Aug 8, 2016 22:01:41 GMT
Well, in the first place, shar'ia 'law' is NOT 'law.'
It is based on the understanding of the Quran and is more properly called 'fiqh.'
There are - as people have been told repeatedly - seven different principal interpretative schools of fiqh - four Sunni, three Shia.
All have radically different understandings of what is halal and what is haram.
The attempt to present 'sharia law' as if it was a monolithic ideology is either the result of ignorance of the facts or, more commonly, deliberate LIES put about by those pseudo-Muslims who wish to present their own brainwashed teaching as 'the truth' or by Islamophobes who wish to demonise all Muslims.
Now if this thread is going to be a genuine and open-minded discussion I will allow it.
But if we start to get hate speech and nonsensical lies then it will have to be moved to Vendetta.
I am not at all happy about the way some members here who should know better appear not to care about the consequences of their actions.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 9, 2016 12:42:39 GMT
There are 2 Korans mikemarshall the Medina + the Mecca version. For nonbelievers they contradict each other, but believers claim they don't. Muslims base Sharia on the Hadiths too since not everything is clearly explained in the Korans.
If someone is found guilty in a Sharia court there is no way to appeal the verdict.
The views of fundamentalist Muslims on Sharia can't be dismissed as pseudo-Muslim. Big Lin DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) @menantol trubble iamjumbo kronks
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Post by Big Lin on Aug 9, 2016 12:50:17 GMT
Do you EVER bother to READ what someone else says?
Honestly!
There IS no such THING as 'sharia law'
There is fiqh - and seven principal INTERPRETATIONS of it.
Now I'm getting sick and tired of hearing FALSEHOODS spoken.
If this nonsense doesn't stop I'll move the whole thread to Vendetta.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 13:55:58 GMT
Big Lin you and Mike have express a view and others have expressed a different view. You have determined that what others have spoken are falsehoods. You and Mike have both made the threat to other members here that you will take action if what you consider to be falsehoods do not end. To continually threaten the others as petulant children is insulting to all of us. It is your board and you have the power to do as you wish, then do so but do it for your personal reasons and not because others have different views, which is what you are doing.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 10, 2016 4:22:03 GMT
Do you EVER bother to READ what someone else says? Honestly! There IS no such THING as 'sharia law' There is fiqh - and seven principal INTERPRETATIONS of it. Now I'm getting sick and tired of hearing FALSEHOODS spoken. If this nonsense doesn't stop I'll move the whole thread to Vendetta. I don't think anyone here understands Arabic. I suppose Fundamentalist Muslims are offended if us Kafirs/unbelievers combine their Arab word sharia with an English word to translate it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia QUOTE: Sharia (shari'a), Islamic sharia, Islamic law Sharia is a significant source of legislation in many Muslim countries where some countries apply a majority or some of the sharia code, and these include Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Brunei, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Yemen and Mauritania. In these countries, sharia-prescribed punishments such as beheading, flogging and stoning continue to be practiced judicially or extra-judicially.[10][11] There has been controversy over what some perceive as a movement by various Islamist groups to introduce and implement sharia throughout the world, including in Western countries,[citation needed] but attempts to impose sharia have been accompanied by controversy
www.bbc.com/news/world-27307249 What is Sharia and how is it applied?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 10, 2016 5:01:33 GMT
I suppose the videos using of the expression "Sharia Law" to explain this tragic case involving the brutal rape of an Austrailian woman, who was drugged, will spark outrage among Quranic language purists.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 10, 2016 13:52:04 GMT
Do you EVER bother to READ what someone else says? Honestly! There IS no such THING as 'sharia law' There is fiqh - and seven principal INTERPRETATIONS of it. Now I'm getting sick and tired of hearing FALSEHOODS spoken. If this nonsense doesn't stop I'll move the whole thread to Vendetta. There are many interpretations of the Bible too and no one objects to phrases like "Biblical Law" which can be either Old Testament law or Mosaic Law, the New Covenant Law of Jesus Christ or be interpretated differently from dozens of different churches.
Why should Islam and the Quran have special privileges when we attempt to explain Islamic law here? Why the authoritarianism? Why should Muslims and pro Muslim activists dictate how we use our our non-Arabic language?
Nevertheless I have moderated "Sharia law" to "Sharia" in the thread title. Big Lin kronks mikemarshall DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) iamjumbo @menantol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 14:34:27 GMT
Since there seems to be less than full accord as to some understandings of Islam and no one here is accepted by the others as knowledgeable, sources must be used. Here I am referring to the terms, “Shari‘a,” “Fiqh,” and will also include the term “Usul al-Fiqh.” The source used is at this link: www.quranicstudies.com/law/sharia-fiqh-and-usul-al-fiqh-in-islamic-law/ At this sources (as with other sources) there are other concepts and terminology provided. My intent here is to provide an acceptable source of information so that members are not continuallu accused of lying. The author of this section begins with the following: I will briefly explain three fundamental concepts of Islamic law that are at times confused with each other. These are “Shari‘a,” “Fiqh,” and “Usul al-Fiqh.” 1. Shari‘a This term, which is usually translated as “Islamic law,” refers to the divine law that was revealed by God through Prophet Muhammad. Muslim scholars believe that there are two sources of Shari‘a. First, the Qur’an, which is the book that God revealed to Prophet Muhammad. The Qur’an has been preserved in the mushaf. I have discussed earlier The Difference Between “Qur’an” and “Mushaf.” Second, the “Sunna” or “customary behaviour” of the Prophet. As explained in The Meaning of “Sunna” in the Qur’an, the Sunna denotes the “words and deeds of Prophet Muhammad, and what he approved and disapproved of, explicitly and implicitly.” Hadith, which I discussed in The Meaning of “Hadith,” is the main source of the Sunna. The Qur’an mentions some legal rulings and principles but many more are found in the practices and sayings of the Prophet. But as what the Prophet said and did is considered to have been guided and inspired by God, taking the Sunna as a source of Shari‘a is consistent with seeing Shari‘a as divine revelation. Given that Islamic law is considered to be of divine origin and that Islam is the last religion, Islamic law is “immutable,” i.e. it does not change with time. As it is not the work of man and is not subject to change, studying Shari‘a means to discover not make it. The human effort can only focus on understanding that revelation; it cannot change or replace it. However, while some scholars consider all the specific rulings contained in the Qur’an and the Sunna as immutable, others think that some of those laws were introduced for specific cases and may therefore change with time, place, and circumstances. 2. Fiqh The science of studying Shari‘a is known as “fiqh.” While this is the technical meaning of “fiqh,” the term itself is a general Arabic word that means “understanding.” Fiqh is usually translated as “Islamic jurisprudence.” The scholar of fiqh, i.e. the student of Islamic law, is known as “faqih” or “jurist.” So the main difference between Shari‘a and fiqh is that the former refers to divine revelation whereas the latter denotes the human activity that is focused on studying and understanding that revelation. 3. Usul al-Fiqh Scholars of fiqh have developed a number of principles that they use to study Shari‘a. These are known as “Usul al-fiqh” or the “principles in Islamic Jurisprudence.” One of these principles is “ijma’” or “consensus,” which refers to the use of the consensus of scholars as the basis for ascertaining certain laws. Another principle is known as “qiyas” or “analogical reasoning,” which is the process of using the established ruling for a certain legal question to derive a ruling for a new legal issue. Muhammad bin Idris al-Shafi’i (150-204 H) is usually credited with founding the principles of Islamic Jurisprudence. His renowned work al-Risala (The Treatise)is the first attempt ever by a Muslim jurist to write down his legal theory. Copyright © 2011 Louay Fatoohi Blog: www.louayfatoohi.comFacebook: www.facebook.com/louay.fatoohiTwitter: twitter.com/louayfatoohi
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 14:41:18 GMT
The point to my previous post is to demonstrate that there is validity to the position that the forms of ‘law’ within Islam are inclusive of Shria and of Figh, and for that matter, Usal al-figh. Additionally, while these are important to those who are adherents of Islam, they are not of Western culture. Moreover, those who follow them in Western countries can do so as long as they do not conflict with Western Law or Western Culture. When they do conflict with Western Law they are null and void.
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Post by mikemarshall on Aug 10, 2016 22:04:59 GMT
The fundamental FACT is that there is no such thing as 'sharia law' but there are a number of different interpretations within the seven schools - four Sunni, three Shia - all of which have radically different views of what is haram and what is halal.
So constantly using 'sharia law' is as meaningless as using 'Christian law.'
It really is that simple.
Now perhaps if members tried to be a little more open-minded we wouldn't end up losing our temper out of frustration.
And it isn't a threat to suggest that a particular post or thread might need to be moved to Vendetta; it's simply stating that we believe it contravenes our rules and/or Proboards TOS,
I must admit I do find the constant obsession with Islam incredibly boring.
Most terrorists are not Muslim; most criminals are not Muslim; and so on.
I do wonder sometimes if some people have no life outside the internet and are unaware of the real world.
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Post by mikemarshall on Aug 10, 2016 22:08:07 GMT
Now Jews have their own 'courts' of Talmudic law; Romanies have their 'kris' courts.
That does not mean that their rulings - which are purely voluntary - have the status of civil/criminal law within a country.
So why are some people purely obsessed with one religious group rather than the others?
Could it just be that they are prejudiced?
That they lack knowledge and experience?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 11, 2016 5:02:36 GMT
Now Jews have their own 'courts' of Talmudic law; Romanies have their 'kris' courts. That does not mean that their rulings - which are purely voluntary - have the status of civil/criminal law within a country. So why are some people purely obsessed with one religious group rather than the others? Could it just be that they are prejudiced? That they lack knowledge and experience? The people would be concerned if a massive Christian demonstration to promote Mosaic or Biblical law was held or if Jews were trying to impose Talmudic Law on us which they wouldn't dream of doing. A certain percent of Muslims are very pushy and play the victim, if we push back.
Pity if your brother in law seems to prefer silencing anyone who dares to criticise Islam and excesses in the name of Islam. Me + iamjumbo have no problem dealing with critics of Christianity and whatever may have been done in the name of Christianity.
Big Lin you have a history of posting blatantly false claims trying to prove your belief that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito helped the lone killer Rudy Guede kill Meredith Kercher. The claim that Amanda and Raffaele left a trail of Meredith's blood leading to Raffaele's apartment is just one example. When you become emotionally involved in a debate you seem to loose it.
So we lost Menantol now. I hope your brother in law is happy at least.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Aug 14, 2016 11:43:36 GMT
Now Jews have their own 'courts' of Talmudic law; Romanies have their 'kris' courts. That does not mean that their rulings - which are purely voluntary - have the status of civil/criminal law within a country. So why are some people purely obsessed with one religious group rather than the others? Could it just be that they are prejudiced? That they lack knowledge and experience? Hi Mikemarshall, The Jews had their day, now the focus is on ISIS and because of that Muslims are in the news along with the refugees, so it is being discussed. The world is in a very bad place at the present time. Goodness only knows what the future will bring?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Sept 5, 2016 15:58:55 GMT
It's shocking how many Muslims in America + Europe want Sharia law to replace our law.
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Post by mikemarshall on Sept 5, 2016 20:41:23 GMT
It's shocking how many Muslims in America + Europe want Sharia law to replace our law. I am really getting sick and tired of hearing the same LIES repeated. There are - as you have been told repeatedly - seven schools of Sharia, four among Sunni Muslims and three among Shias. Talking of 'sharia law' is literally as foolish as talking of 'Christian law' or 'Bible law.' It really is that foolish and since those who persist in claiming that there is such a thing as 'sharia law' (which as you have also had demonstrated to you is not even 'law' are clearly not interested in truth and seek simply to push their own paranoid fantasies and hate-filled propaganda. 'Sharia law' does not EXIST - please STOP pretending dishonestly that it does. And if these idiots are demanding 'sharia law' they are clearly not Muslims but simply brainwashed idiots who have been fooled by their self-serving leaders into falsely BELIEVING that such a thing exists within Islam when it certainly does NOT.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Sept 5, 2016 22:01:32 GMT
It's true that "Sharia" is the word for Islamic law based on Islamic scriptures. For those who don't understand Arabic the redundant term "sharia law" is used. True attempts to interpret the law that Muhammad expected his followers to submit to may vary, but there is no doubt that this law, even if it's dualistic and contradictory, exists.
The Quran states a woman's testimony is only worth one half of a man's testimony, which is one example of Islamic court law.
The Shiites stopped the pedophilia and child marriages by vilifying 9 year old Aisha, a victim, as Muhammad's evil wife. Yes there are contradictions in the interpretations and presentations of Sharia. Sharia as a rule makes it a crime to disobey or disrespect the fake prophet Muhammad, which makes it anti free speech from the start.
There are contradictions in how US judges interpret American law otherwise US judges would always be unananimous.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Sept 27, 2016 17:26:54 GMT
Sharia Patrols instead of police? They have been active in Stuttgart, Germany for a few years, but usually restrict themselves to harassing and attacking male homosexuals, who "cruise" in parks, etc.. That's just the beginning. DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) Scottish Lassie @chefmate
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Sept 30, 2016 15:04:27 GMT
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 1, 2016 14:32:07 GMT
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