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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 3, 2016 20:09:51 GMT
Sharia Patrols instead of police? They have been active in Stuttgart, Germany for a few years, but usually restrict themselves to harassing and attacking male homosexuals, who "cruise" in parks, etc.. That's just the beginning. DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) Scottish Lassie @chefmate Hi Anna, No one should be attacked. As far as I am concerned, violence is violence , and that is a no no in my book.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 3, 2016 20:21:53 GMT
Well, in the first place, shar'ia 'law' is NOT 'law.' It is based on the understanding of the Quran and is more properly called 'fiqh.' There are - as people have been told repeatedly - seven different principal interpretative schools of fiqh - four Sunni, three Shia. All have radically different understandings of what is halal and what is haram. The attempt to present 'sharia law' as if it was a monolithic ideology is either the result of ignorance of the facts or, more commonly, deliberate LIES put about by those pseudo-Muslims who wish to present their own brainwashed teaching as 'the truth' or by Islamophobes who wish to demonise all Muslims. Now if this thread is going to be a genuine and open-minded discussion I will allow it. But if we start to get hate speech and nonsensical lies then it will have to be moved to Vendetta. I am not at all happy about the way some members here who should know better appear not to care about the consequences of their actions. Hi Mike Marshall, Regardless as to what Sharia is or is not, violence is being displayed all over the world and this is what we do not want. Only the MEEK shall inherit the earth. Some people evidently are unaware of this.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 3, 2016 21:08:47 GMT
Now Jews have their own 'courts' of Talmudic law; Romanies have their 'kris' courts. That does not mean that their rulings - which are purely voluntary - have the status of civil/criminal law within a country. So why are some people purely obsessed with one religious group rather than the others? Could it just be that they are prejudiced? That they lack knowledge and experience? Hi Mike Marshall, I am surprised that you should have asked that question.!!! People are being killed by extremists who took offence at a cartoon poking fun at their Prophet.I don't think it is right to make fun of anyone, full stop.!!! Nevertheless, I do not think that the violence that took place in retaliation was right either. It is man's interpretation of God's will for us that is causing the problem. We are all interpreting it differently. I only take notice of the Ten Commandments because it was apparently etched supernaturally on stone. And it says: Thou Shalt Not Kill. It is time surely, that this Commandment should be taken seriously and that the killing spree that is taking place, be well and truly stopped.
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Post by mikemarshall on Oct 11, 2016 22:21:17 GMT
Scottish Lassie, I am surprised that you find it surprising when I attempt to inject facts and reason into an overheated debate.
By the way, there are two versions of the Ten Commandments. And the Hebrew original does NOT ssy "Thou Shalt Not Kill;" it says 'Thou Shalt Not Murder.'
In other words, it implicitly justifies killing if (in the eyes of those who believe in that particular religious tradition - in this instance, Judaism) it is an act that is NOT considered to be murder.
And pretty soon after he came down from the mountain Moses began killing people.
Now, to repeat.
1 There are SEVEN entirely DIFFERENT schools of Sharia - three Sunni, four Shia, all of which give DIFFERENT interpretations of sharia.
2 Sharia law is a misnomer; it is actually (in the strict sense of the word ) Divine Law and it is NOT sharia but fiq which is consistently confused with sharia (even by some Muslims).
3 When people claiming to be Muslims carry out acts that are NOT halal and in some cases even haram and pretend that their actions are in accordance with fiq they are either LYING or have been brainwashed by other people who have lied to them.
4 To pretend that 'sharia' IS law shows either ignorance or deliberate dishonesty; to pretend that 'sharia' is a monolithic ideology where all believers agree shows either ignorance or deliberate dishonesty.
Meekness by the way is an attribute related to humility; remember the words of Jesus, 'I am come not to send peace but a sword?'
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 13, 2016 2:22:08 GMT
Yes mikemarshall it's claimed by fundamentalist Muslims that sharia is God's will. Yes the Sunni and Shia interpretation of sharia is different. It's Dark Age pretentiousness to claim to know God's will and carry out mutilations and savage executions in the name of God's will or sharia. The sharia patrols in Germany are usually not so obvious as this one in the video, but this garbage is not wanted in the Western world. It's been said that some things are so stupid that only very intelligent people can believe in them. Believing that this bloodthirsty religion founded by a murderous rapist pedophile can be whitewashed is one such absurdity.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 16, 2016 15:42:45 GMT
Scottish Lassie, I am surprised that you find it surprising when I attempt to inject facts and reason into an overheated debate. By the way, there are two versions of the Ten Commandments. And the Hebrew original does NOT ssy "Thou Shalt Not Kill;" it says 'Thou Shalt Not Murder.' In other words, it implicitly justifies killing if (in the eyes of those who believe in that particular religious tradition - in this instance, Judaism) it is an act that is NOT considered to be murder. And pretty soon after he came down from the mountain Moses began killing people. Now, to repeat. 1 There are SEVEN entirely DIFFERENT schools of Sharia - three Sunni, four Shia, all of which give DIFFERENT interpretations of sharia. 2 Sharia law is a misnomer; it is actually (in the strict sense of the word ) Divine Law and it is NOT sharia but fiq which is consistently confused with sharia (even by some Muslims). 3 When people claiming to be Muslims carry out acts that are NOT halal and in some cases even haram and pretend that their actions are in accordance with fiq they are either LYING or have been brainwashed by other people who have lied to them. 4 To pretend that 'sharia' IS law shows either ignorance or deliberate dishonesty; to pretend that 'sharia' is a monolithic ideology where all believers agree shows either ignorance or deliberate dishonesty. Meekness by the way is an attribute related to humility; remember the words of Jesus, 'I am come not to send peace but a sword?' To claim that sharia doesn't exist because not everyone agrees with this sharia bigot is absurd. I guess then communism, national socialism, etc. etc. didn't exist either because their leaders had different and contradicting visions of it.
Yes sharia is all "fiq-ed up", dualistic and contradictory. The redundant translation of sharia to "sharia law" for non Arabic speakers is only a semantic issue and not worth dwelling on. DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) Scottish Lassie ladydi
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 23, 2016 8:47:12 GMT
Hi Anna, I know very little of the Islam religion, and what I have heard since being on the Internet is not very nice, a little like the Old Testsment. In the Bible I studied it was definitely Thou Shalt Not Kill and I will stick with that. I have long forgotten what Moses got up to, I would rather go with Jesus. He came to this Earth for a reason and that was evidently so that we would change our ways. The Human Race is very warlike which is why we have the parable or story of the Good Samaritan. Have we changed our ways? or haven't we learned a thing yet, and are still as ignorant as ever, still at one another's throats.,just as warlike as we ever were?
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Post by mikemarshall on Oct 25, 2016 18:46:06 GMT
I have no problem with differences of opinion, Anna.
But I very much object when FACTS are involved and when FALSEHOODS are presented as if they WERE actual FACTS rather than downright LIES.
Sharia does NOT exist and it in NOT simply a matter of semantics to point out that a) it is NOT a law; b) there are SEVEN DIFFERENT systems of it - four Sunni, three Shia - ALL of which have DIFFERENT interpretations of what is and what is not halal or haram.
Your obsession with repeating the brainwashed LIES of bigots and terrorists is literally as foolish as suggesting that because SOME Christians support bombing abortion clinics that doing so is in accordance with the beliefs of Christians in general.
Now if you do not STOP this silliness I will have no alternative but to move this thread and all its dishonest and untrue statements to Vendetta.
I have really got more productive things to do with my time - such as coaxing my wife back to some semblance of normality - rather than wasting it having to constantly refute one falsehood after another.
I have asked you before and I ask you again, Anna - please try to show some grasp on reality, some sense of moderation and some awareness that 'some' does NOT mean 'all' or even 'most.'
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Oct 25, 2016 22:56:19 GMT
Mike - It is loopy posts like this that have driven me and others away from this board.
Anna has Islam in razor sharp focus.
On the other hand, you've been brainwashed and are trying to put lipstick on a pig. Trying to make Muslims look good is like trying to justify anti semitism or fascism. There isn't anything good about it. Anna gets it. You don't.
Anyone seen Iamjumbo lately? Didn't think so.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 26, 2016 1:12:11 GMT
I have no problem with differences of opinion, Anna. But I very much object when FACTS are involved and when FALSEHOODS are presented as if they WERE actual FACTS rather than downright LIES. Sharia does NOT exist and it in NOT simply a matter of semantics to point out that a) it is NOT a law; b) there are SEVEN DIFFERENT systems of it - four Sunni, three Shia - ALL of which have DIFFERENT interpretations of what is and what is not halal or haram. Your obsession with repeating the brainwashed LIES of bigots and terrorists is literally as foolish as suggesting that because SOME Christians support bombing abortion clinics that doing so is in accordance with the beliefs of Christians in general. Now if you do not STOP this silliness I will have no alternative but to move this thread and all its dishonest and untrue statements to Vendetta. I have really got more productive things to do with my time - such as coaxing my wife back to some semblance of normality - rather than wasting it having to constantly refute one falsehood after another. I have asked you before and I ask you again, Anna - please try to show some grasp on reality, some sense of moderation and some awareness that 'some' does NOT mean 'all' or even 'most.' Sharia or Islamic Law does exist. No one denies that Shiites + Sunnites interpret it differently. Maybe you're following some agnostic doctrine that contradictions can't both exist or listening to a Taquiya Imman. Perhaps too you're listening to Turkish sources who defied the sharia activists in favor of secular law.
Islam by nature is dualistic just like Orwell's "1984" vision of a totalitarian rule. Do you claim that all the pro Sharia demonstrators in Europe don't exist or that you know Islam better than they do? www.bbc.com/news/world-27307249 QUOTE: What is Sharia and how is it applied?Sharia law is Islam's legal system. It is derived from both the Koran, Islam's central text, and fatwas - the rulings of Islamic scholars. Sharia literally means "the clear, well-trodden path to water". Sharia law acts as a code for living that all Muslims should adhere to, including prayers, fasting and donations to the poor. It aims to help Muslims understand how they should lead every aspect of their lives according to God's wishes.
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Post by Big Lin on Oct 27, 2016 22:05:51 GMT
Look, FACTS are FACTS.
Why ARE you conservatives so wimpish about FACTS that DISPROVE your LIES?
That's typical of their cowardice; run away like spoilt schoolkids when teacher points out to them that they're WRONG.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 28, 2016 3:12:22 GMT
Look, FACTS are FACTS. Why ARE you conservatives so wimpish about FACTS that DISPROVE your LIES? That's typical of their cowardice; run away like spoilt schoolkids when teacher points out to them that they're WRONG. How can you claim that "Sharia" or Islamic Law based on the Koran and whatever Hadiths are chosen doesn't exist? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia I suppose you deny that Sharia activists demonstrate in Europe to implement their Islamic law here.
Not very honest to deny this given the facts! The British government is starting to grovel up to sharia or Islamic law to placate these bigots too.
It's doesn't matter to these nutters if Sharia is contradictory. Contradictions exist too and they should be confronted and discredited.
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Post by ariel on Oct 28, 2016 15:53:31 GMT
Mike - It is loopy posts like this that have driven me and others away from this board. Anna has Islam in razor sharp focus. On the other hand, you've been brainwashed and are trying to put lipstick on a pig. Trying to make Muslims look good is like trying to justify anti semitism or fascism. There isn't anything good about it. Anna gets it. You don't. Anyone seen Iamjumbo lately? Didn't think so. Good bye I'm sorry. These posts have no merit. Most Muslims are not terrorists and it is shameful how these people have been characterized because of extremists in nations that have been ripped apart because of repeated foreign disruptions. Those are acts of people who have lost all investment in any kind of future. It's a desperation that sometimes infects desperate people, and it is inappropriate and just wrong to generalize.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 28, 2016 23:06:08 GMT
Mike - It is loopy posts like this that have driven me and others away from this board. Anna has Islam in razor sharp focus. On the other hand, you've been brainwashed and are trying to put lipstick on a pig. Trying to make Muslims look good is like trying to justify anti semitism or fascism. There isn't anything good about it. Anna gets it. You don't. Anyone seen Iamjumbo lately? Didn't think so. Good bye I'm sorry. These posts have no merit. Most Muslims are not terrorists and it is shameful how these people have been characterized because of extremists in nations that have been ripped apart because of repeated foreign disruptions. Those are acts of people who have lost all investment in any kind of future. It's a desperation that sometimes infects desperate people, and it is inappropriate and just wrong to generalize. Fundamentalist Islam is what it is. If you went to Saudi Arabia and negated or redefined the Koran and Sunni Hadiths which the extremists claim justifies their actions you could expect big trouble with their Islamic law under the apostasy or blasphemy laws. Yes 2 wrongs don't make a right, but we the people aren't responsible for the high finance Globalist intervention in Islamic countries. No one is forcing Muslims to practice pedophilia, the stoning of rape victims + killing LBGT people, etc..
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Post by ariel on Oct 29, 2016 1:13:26 GMT
I'm sorry. These posts have no merit. Most Muslims are not terrorists and it is shameful how these people have been characterized because of extremists in nations that have been ripped apart because of repeated foreign disruptions. Those are acts of people who have lost all investment in any kind of future. It's a desperation that sometimes infects desperate people, and it is inappropriate and just wrong to generalize. Fundamentalist Islam is what it is. If you went to Saudi Arabia and negated or redefined the Koran and Sunni Hadiths which the extremists claim justifies their actions you could expect big trouble with their Islamic law under the apostasy or blasphemy laws. Yes 2 wrongs don't make a right, but we the people aren't responsible for the high finance Globalist intervention in Islamic countries. No one is forcing Muslims to practice pedophilia, the stoning of rape victims + killing LBGT people, etc.. Huh? Yes, I have been to Saudi Arabia. And Palestine. And Egypt. And Syria. And Iraq. And Kuwait. And UAE. And Iran.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 29, 2016 1:33:21 GMT
Fundamentalist Islam is what it is. If you went to Saudi Arabia and negated or redefined the Koran and Sunni Hadiths which the extremists claim justifies their actions you could expect big trouble with their Islamic law under the apostasy or blasphemy laws. Yes 2 wrongs don't make a right, but we the people aren't responsible for the high finance Globalist intervention in Islamic countries. No one is forcing Muslims to practice pedophilia, the stoning of rape victims + killing LBGT people, etc.. Huh? Yes, I have been to Saudi Arabia. And Palestine. And Egypt. And Syria. And Iraq. And Kuwait. And UAE. And Iran. Then you know what can happen if you step out of line in these countries. It's not a tiny minority behind this extremist Islamic law.
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Post by ariel on Oct 29, 2016 2:18:43 GMT
Huh? Yes, I have been to Saudi Arabia. And Palestine. And Egypt. And Syria. And Iraq. And Kuwait. And UAE. And Iran. Then you know what can happen if you step out of line in these countries. It's not a tiny minority behind this extremist Islamic law. I go to Palestine about 2x a year. Nothing has ever happened to me.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 29, 2016 4:07:29 GMT
If you stay in the right company you'rr probably relatively safe. I know some American and European activists visit Palestine to help and I respect that.
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Post by ariel on Oct 29, 2016 11:53:55 GMT
If you stay in the right company you'rr probably relatively safe. I know some American and European activists visit Palestine to help and I respect that. That's what I do, and I find the Muslim-bashing offensive.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 29, 2016 14:19:49 GMT
If you stay in the right company you'rr probably relatively safe. I know some American and European activists visit Palestine to help and I respect that. That's what I do, and I find the Muslim-bashing offensive. Many Muslims I've known know very little about what is really written in the Koran and Hadiths and would be just as shocked as I was and am to discover certain horrific passages. I criticise what's written in these scriptures and the Fundamentalists who practice this.
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