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Post by mouse on Aug 22, 2010 18:53:50 GMT
has any one sugested that racism doesnt exist ?? ..i cannot remeber ANYONE saying that ..and who and where are ALL these people who are saying racism doesnt exist OK. Where are all the racists? ] oh there are real racists.. but much depends on ones deffinition of racism or reasons for acusations of racism there is racism..real and beyond any shadow of a doubt and there is percieved racism..... there are the crys of racism which are without foundation used to stop discussion and there is a more insidious type of racism by those who are so constantly aware of racial differences so much so they see racism around each and every corner they make up up racism and there are those who will jump on any band waggon and throw out acussation regardless of how stupid or false those acusations are as to where they are ?? on this message board i have no reason to think anyone is a real racist..but i do think some times it is looked for
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Post by fretslider on Aug 22, 2010 18:57:18 GMT
No, RV, its a matter of colour and you can't wriggle out of that. In some cases, yes, the colour of the person's skin is relevant, what is wrong with that? There is rare occasions when the colour of the person using the word 'black person' can be the sole decider that the term is used as a term of abuse. And? Your point? You cannot even answer a simple question, either you'd be offended or you couldn't give a toss. You had this explained to you repeatedly and yet is seems too complicated for for you. Sad. Face it RV, you are full of it. You need to get out more
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Post by randomvioce on Aug 22, 2010 19:04:07 GMT
R.V. thinks it fine to call people with whom he disagrees "scum". I would be more offended by that expression than being called a honkey in an argument with a person of colour. When I use the term 'scum' you can be sure that I am fully aware of the offence that may cause. When I use that or other phrases, I do so, knowing that I may cause the person concerned to be offended. I am never using the term 'scum' et al and then shake my head because I am unable to comprehend the insult that has caused. Anyone using the word 'black person' should be fully aware of the offensive that may cause. If they are unable to undersatand hat, then they can be sure someone will point out the offence caused.
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Post by mouse on Aug 22, 2010 19:05:54 GMT
now how on earth does saying that muslims should be expelled from the country translate into racism?? come on be rational..they are not a race,so that is a red herring..especially when those same people are not asking for hindus,,sikhs etc to be ejected,,that is entirely down to the religion and its antics then you have those who say all black people should be expelled...that can be certainly SEEN as racist.and without a doubt some of those saying that will be racist beyond any shadow of a doubt,,others will have totally different reasons for wanting that expulsion..based yes on skin colour but for reasons not necessarily down to skin colour but down to..behaviour,,culture,,compatability etc etc ,ie different reasons than simply skin colour but identifyable by skin colour..those same people will also want certain imported ""white"" groups out of the country as well.. racism or rather what is said to be racism is not as simple as ""black and white""there are many shades grey areas what is classed as racism is not always racism...but its an easy acusation abd saves looking at concerns or what people are actually saying
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Post by randomvioce on Aug 22, 2010 19:06:41 GMT
Face it RV, you are full of it. You need to get out more Iam sure you are attempting to make a point, but, for the life of me I cannot see it. Go on, explain it.
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Post by fretslider on Aug 22, 2010 19:09:54 GMT
Face it RV, you are full of it. You need to get out more Iam sure you are attempting to make a point, but, for the life of me I cannot see it. Go on, explain it. Doh, try again.
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Post by mouse on Aug 22, 2010 19:13:56 GMT
and that is why your an ignorent oaf ....a lout...hiding behind a computer throwing out.... a full blown coward,,,,,,a pseudo intellectual pigmy one day you may blow a fuse mr electric lightbulb..you know what lightbulbs are...a fragile surround with an empty centre..hot air easily smashed
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Post by june on Aug 22, 2010 19:18:08 GMT
I not sure what I am meant to post if not my own opinion, and in that opinion, some of the comments here would shame a 7 year old.
Be a racist if you want to, and use those words you feel you are denied using but for goodness sake stop bitching and whining about it.
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Post by aubrey on Aug 22, 2010 19:45:41 GMT
now how on earth does saying that muslims should be expelled from the country translate into racism?? come on be rational..they are not a race,so that is a red herring..especially when those same people are not asking for hindus,,sikhs etc to be ejected,,that is entirely down to the religion and its antics then you have those who say all black people should be expelled...that can be certainly SEEN as racist.and without a doubt some of those saying that will be racist beyond any shadow of a doubt,,others will have totally different reasons for wanting that expulsion..based yes on skin colour but for reasons not necessarily down to skin colour but down to..behaviour,,culture,,compatability etc etc ,ie different reasons than simply skin colour but identifyable by skin colour..those same people will also want certain imported ""white"" groups out of the country as well.. racism or rather what is said to be racism is not as simple as ""black and white""there are many shades grey areas what is classed as racism is not always racism...but its an easy acusation abd saves looking at concerns or what people are actually saying So it's a coincidence that hardly any Muslims are white. The person talking about expelling all muslims was not saying that he would expell the ones who are bad, but every bloody last one. (Can you name any white Muslims? (I can. He's quite famous.)) And someone wanting all black people to be expelled, on the basis of the behaviour of a few black people: if that is not rascist, my cat is the Pope (and as we've already discussed the fact that he is a Muslim....). You just bear out what I said. You say that there is racism, but that it is somewhere else; and you give examples of things that you say are not racism, but which pretty bloody obviously are. That really bad word, that people here say you are not allowed to use any more. I have often heard it on the radio, I have many books with it in, and many records. I have often heard it used at Speakers' Corner. No one has ever been arrested just for saying it.But that word, the one that you don't like, Mouse, the one that is sometimes used for the female organ (but usually used to describe a man - rarely a woman), if you ever said that ot the radio you'd be for it - and no amount of apology, or saying that you were quoting, would save you. (OK - Nicky Campbell said it, a couple of times; but he was trying to say "West Kent Hunt" and it kept coming out wrong - pretty bloody funny). There was also a man who was arrested for saying it - the female organ word - at Speakers' Corner.
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Post by aubrey on Aug 22, 2010 19:50:23 GMT
And unless someone starts up a thread called "White Crime", I'll think that the idea of a thread devoted to something called "Black Crime" is pretty bloody racist, as well.
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Post by mouse on Aug 22, 2010 20:09:28 GMT
I not sure what I am meant to post if not my own opinion, and in that opinion, some of the comments here would shame a 7 year old. Be a racist if you want to, and use those words you feel you are denied using but for goodness sake stop bitching and whining about it. of course you post your own opinions,,,lordy but dont expect any one to consider your opinions any less facile than you consider others opinions,,,that is all i am saying err what racism and what words would that be...that i wish to use..if you had kept up you would be well aware i have no desire to use certain words
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Post by mouse on Aug 22, 2010 20:25:02 GMT
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Post by mouse on Aug 22, 2010 20:26:04 GMT
And unless someone starts up a thread called "White Crime", I'll think that the idea of a thread devoted to something called "Black Crime" is pretty bloody racist, as well. best tell that to gov then...its theirs and the polices deffinition
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Post by june on Aug 22, 2010 20:34:18 GMT
I not sure what I am meant to post if not my own opinion, and in that opinion, some of the comments here would shame a 7 year old. Be a racist if you want to, and use those words you feel you are denied using but for goodness sake stop bitching and whining about it. of course you post your own opinions,,,lordy but dont expect any one to consider your opinions any less facile than you consider others opinions,,,that is all i am saying err what racism and what words would that be...that i wish to use..if you had kept up you would be well aware i have no desire to use certain words I'm very sure I have never demanded or even asked that anyone takes my posts seriously - it matters nought to me what others here think of my opinions. So I miss your point. I think many of the views here are racist at heart and the tosh about "if you call me a racist that makes you a racist" just smacks of ner ner ner ner ner, playground, who smelt it dealt it, arguments - I ask you! is that really meant to be a grown up argument? Some of you are pissed you cannot call black people n-igg-er anymore. Sheesh! Boo Hoo - grow UP!
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Post by fretslider on Aug 22, 2010 20:40:25 GMT
of course you post your own opinions,,,lordy but dont expect any one to consider your opinions any less facile than you consider others opinions,,,that is all i am saying err what racism and what words would that be...that i wish to use..if you had kept up you would be well aware i have no desire to use certain words I'm very sure I have never demanded or even asked that anyone takes my posts seriously - it matters nought to me what others here think of my opinions. So I miss your point. I think many of the views here are racist at heart and the tosh about "if you call me a racist that makes you a racist" just smacks of ner ner ner ner ner, playground, who smelt it dealt it, arguments - I ask you! is that really meant to be a grown up argument? Some of you are pissed you cannot call black people n-igg-er anymore. Sheesh! Boo Hoo - grow UP! Have a laugh
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Post by mouse on Aug 22, 2010 20:40:40 GMT
i sugest you take your own advice.....read what is writen ner ner doesnt even come near what i have posted...but what ever...........you know what they say "".if you look hard enough""" and i very much doubt any one is pissed they cant call people ni-g-gers any more....you however seem insistant they may be...that is your problem not mine...and never was mine
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Post by june on Aug 22, 2010 20:49:52 GMT
i sugest you take your own advice.....read what is writen ner ner doesnt even come near what i have posted...but what ever...........you know what they say "".if you look hard enough""" and i very much doubt any one is pissed they cant call people ni-g-gers any more....you however seem insistant they may be...that is your problem not mine...and never was mine perhaps YOU shouldn't assume every comment writen is about you - unless of course it applies.
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Post by june on Aug 22, 2010 20:52:28 GMT
I'm very sure I have never demanded or even asked that anyone takes my posts seriously - it matters nought to me what others here think of my opinions. So I miss your point. I think many of the views here are racist at heart and the tosh about "if you call me a racist that makes you a racist" just smacks of ner ner ner ner ner, playground, who smelt it dealt it, arguments - I ask you! is that really meant to be a grown up argument? Some of you are pissed you cannot call black people n-igg-er anymore. Sheesh! Boo Hoo - grow UP! Have a laugh One of my favorite films. and tis far funnier when the old lady says it in the street Up yours Fretty - expect apple pie later
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Post by aubrey on Aug 22, 2010 20:57:09 GMT
And unless someone starts up a thread called "White Crime", I'll think that the idea of a thread devoted to something called "Black Crime" is pretty bloody racist, as well. best tell that to gov then...its theirs and the polices deffinition Well, the last Labour Govt did at least pander to racism. That is not the word I meant. The word I meant (which you consider offensive to women, but which I do not, and so use, a lot) rhymes with "Hunt." If you said that on the radio, in the same way that Laura said the word that rhymes with Bigger, you would not be able to get out of it with an apology. That would be your career, gone. The white Muslim I meant was not C Stevens (I'd forgott about him) but Richard Thompson, who used to be in Fairport Convention. Yes, there are other white Muslims (I would not class Turks as white (apart from our cats)). But you say Muslim, and you think of someone who is a bit tinted. And (anyway), I'd think of it as more like Jews. Being anti-semite is racist; so being anti-Muslim (not anti Islam (I'm anti-Islam, but not anti-muslim)) is racist. Here's a song by Richard and Linda Thompson, which is about a Muslim ritual (Dervishes) (This song features the best drummer in Christendom).
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Post by fretslider on Aug 22, 2010 21:01:41 GMT
One of my favorite films. and tis far funnier when the old lady says it in the street Up yours Fretty - expect apple pie later Custard on stand-by
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