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Post by iamjumbo on Aug 22, 2010 10:28:13 GMT
that is most of your problem. instead of opening your eyes and having a life, you prefer to live in a fantasy world of imbecilic and totally irrelevant "studies". your meaningless "studies" have NO relevance in the real world lad. sorry about your luck There are millions of people on the planet - maybe billiions, I'm not good with numbers. Why should your view be the 'right' one Jumbo? At least studies offer some vague scientific basis. I can't imagine ever thinking so highly of myself that I considered my view, supported by no other evidence, was guaranteed to be correct. simple fact. most of us open our eyes and don't need a stupid "study" to tell us something so glaringly obvious. we don't require nutjobs to tell us that the sun is shining, or that it is raining outside. i cannot be offended. there is nothing anyone can say or do that insults me. there are plenty who are stupid enough to try, but it requires being at least half as intelligent as i am, and the fact that someone is stupid enough to try proves that they don't qualify. i am not any better than anyone else, except those who CHOOSE to not be as good as i.
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Post by iamjumbo on Aug 22, 2010 10:31:34 GMT
because you are totally correct. as i have pointed out, several times, if you are offended by anything that someone says, it is because of YOUR character defect, not another's, and you certainly have no right to be compensated for your wilful failure to be an adult Who voted you spokesman for the entire planet? Where do you get off on your little cod psychology? What evidence have you got for your statement that ‘taking offence’ is a character flaw? What studies are you referring too? see? there you go with the ignorant "studies" stupidity again. you are certainly a sad little man. it is really sad that you have to have someone else tell you what to think. those of us who are intelligent think for ourselves
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Post by june on Aug 22, 2010 11:19:07 GMT
The indignant behaviour of racists always makes me me smile. Hey, guess what folks, the sensible majority of the world accept and agree that it's bad form to denegrade your fellow man.
No one has removed your rights to say whatever you want but, your actions will betray who and what you are.
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Post by fretslider on Aug 22, 2010 12:10:08 GMT
If you're being called a derogatory name, the defining factor is, according to your 'learned' self, the skin colour of the person uttering it. We seem to be going round and round in circles. For some reason you are unable to accept the idea that context is the defining, not just 'skin colour'. Can you explain why you find why the context in which a word or phrase is used defines how offensive it is? What is the stumbling block here? Now if a black man called you white trash would you a) be offended by the term b) not let it bother you Again it depends on the context. No, RV, its a matter of colour and you can't wriggle out of that. Black man calls another black person black person and you say that's ok. White man calls a black man a black person and that's not ok. You cannot even answer a simple question, either you'd be offended or you couldn't give a toss. I reckon you'd be offended, that's the type of lily-liver you are.
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Post by mouse on Aug 22, 2010 12:53:39 GMT
No one has removed your rights to say whatever you want but, your actions will betray who and what you are. yes they have removed the right to say anything you may want...by making it a criminal offence in some instances ...and a social crime in others how ever as jumbo rightly points out most people dont need to be told what or what not to say..they can figure it out all by them selves what makes me smile though is the breast beating of some who look for racism in every corner...and the translation of some quite innocent remarks into racism where racism was never intended..and yet cannot see that the quest to see racism every word and action is in fact racism its self.....
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Post by mouse on Aug 22, 2010 12:55:24 GMT
The indignant behaviour of racists always makes me me smile.. real racists are NEVER indignent or apologetic...
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Post by Ben Lomond on Aug 22, 2010 13:44:00 GMT
We are going round in circles again. Insults of all kinds can hurt those of a delicate disposition. Racial insults can hurt everyone at whom they are directed, delicate or not. It is best to avoid insulting ones fellow beings; although on occasion that is an impossible task! But racial insults are not part of an intelligent persons reactionary genes.
Having said that, the logical outcome of a lapse from this council of perfection should be an apology. I will say it again. To hound someone out of his job, with the effect that has, not only on him but his family, is a gross over-reaction. And to charge an offender in a criminal court is even more so. They are only words, after all. R.V. thinks it fine to call people with whom he disagrees "scum". I would be more offended by that expression than being called a honkey in an argument with a person of colour. The actual impact of an insult is in the mind of those on the receiving end. But I venture to suggest that THAT reaction can be heavily influenced by the thought of using the law to get ones own back, or, better still, some kompensayshun!
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Post by aubrey on Aug 22, 2010 13:49:56 GMT
All these people who say that racism doesn't exist: have you ever been racially abused?
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Post by mouse on Aug 22, 2010 13:56:13 GMT
All these people who say that racism doesn't exist: have you ever been racially abused? has any one sugested that racism doesnt exist ?? ..i cannot remeber ANYONE saying that ..and who and where are ALL these people who are saying racism doesnt exist
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Post by iamjumbo on Aug 22, 2010 14:39:21 GMT
The indignant behaviour of racists always makes me me smile. Hey, guess what folks, the sensible majority of the world accept and agree that it's bad form to denegrade your fellow man. No one has removed your rights to say whatever you want but, your actions will betray who and what you are. very true, and your stated indignation is duly noted
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Post by iamjumbo on Aug 22, 2010 14:41:47 GMT
No one has removed your rights to say whatever you want but, your actions will betray who and what you are. yes they have removed the right to say anything you may want...by making it a criminal offence in some instances ...and a social crime in others how ever as jumbo rightly points out most people dont need to be told what or what not to say..they can figure it out all by them selves what makes me smile though is the breast beating of some who look for racism in every corner...and the translation of some quite innocent remarks into racism where racism was never intended..and yet cannot see that the quest to see racism every word and action is in fact racism its self..... hey hon, it's just a simple fact of life that it is ALWAYS the racists who are yelling "racism"
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Post by iamjumbo on Aug 22, 2010 14:43:52 GMT
No one has removed your rights to say whatever you want but, your actions will betray who and what you are. yes they have removed the right to say anything you may want...by making it a criminal offence in some instances ...and a social crime in others how ever as jumbo rightly points out most people dont need to be told what or what not to say..they can figure it out all by them selves what makes me smile though is the breast beating of some who look for racism in every corner...and the translation of some quite innocent remarks into racism where racism was never intended..and yet cannot see that the quest to see racism every word and action is in fact racism its self..... hey hon, it's just a simple fact of life that it is ALWAYS the racists who are yelling "racism". since they never have a legitimate argument, they are forced to resort to the race card
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Post by iamjumbo on Aug 22, 2010 14:52:01 GMT
We are going round in circles again. Insults of all kinds can hurt those of a delicate disposition. Racial insults can hurt everyone at whom they are directed, delicate or not. It is best to avoid insulting ones fellow beings; although on occasion that is an impossible task! But racial insults are not part of an intelligent persons reactionary genes. Having said that, the logical outcome of a lapse from this council of perfection should be an apology. I will say it again. To hound someone out of his job, with the effect that has, not only on him but his family, is a gross over-reaction. And to charge an offender in a criminal court is even more so. They are only words, after all. R.V. thinks it fine to call people with whom he disagrees "scum". I would be more offended by that expression than being called a honkey in an argument with a person of colour. The actual impact of an insult is in the mind of those on the receiving end. But I venture to suggest that THAT reaction can be heavily influenced by the thought of using the law to get ones own back, or, better still, some kompensayshun! The actual impact of an insult is in the mind of those on the receiving end. THAT is the irrefutable reality. the weak of mind are offended, those who are not, cannot be offended. this is true in EVERY case, without exception. as you say, it is the weak who go running into court boo hooing because their widdle feelings get hurt, and try to extort money
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Post by june on Aug 22, 2010 15:20:25 GMT
Lol at some of the statements on here, made from a genuine conviction no doubt but, really, really dumb.
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Post by mouse on Aug 22, 2010 15:25:42 GMT
Lol at some of the statements on here, made from a genuine conviction no doubt but, really, really dumb. but in your opinion.....and exactly what is opinion really worth...is your opinion worth any more than mine...is mine any more worthy than yours its all down to opinion during this thread
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Post by june on Aug 22, 2010 15:29:27 GMT
Lol at some of the statements on here, made from a genuine conviction no doubt but, really, really dumb. but in your opinion.....and exactly what is opinion really worth...is your opinion worth any more than mine...is mine any more worthy than yours its all down to opinion during this thread Unless I have missed something, that's kind of the point? Some opinions are just facile and q.
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Post by mouse on Aug 22, 2010 16:29:34 GMT
but in your opinion.....and exactly what is opinion really worth...is your opinion worth any more than mine...is mine any more worthy than yours its all down to opinion during this thread Unless I have missed something, that's kind of the point? Some opinions are just facile and q. but only in YOUR opinion that some are just facile an opinion which is no more valid than those you consider facile at least you dont try base yours[opinions] on psuedo intellectualism...... ;D
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Post by aubrey on Aug 22, 2010 18:30:06 GMT
All these people who say that racism doesn't exist: have you ever been racially abused? has any one sugested that racism doesnt exist ?? ..i cannot remeber ANYONE saying that ..and who and where are ALL these people who are saying racism doesnt exist OK. Where are all the racists? In all my messageboard arguments, even with people who say that all black people/Muslims etc ought to be expelled from the country, have I ever come across anyone who will admit to being racist. Not even those people who say that black people are more disposed than whites to commit crime say that they're not racist. Even that Nick Griffin out of the BNP says he's not racist. In fact, the only person I've ever seen on a messageboard who admits to being racist - in the sense of having the occassional racist thought - is me. Apart from that one case (me), racists are always very bad people, and always someone else.
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Post by randomvioce on Aug 22, 2010 18:38:26 GMT
see? there you go with the ignorant "studies" stupidity again. What is wrong with ‘ignorant studies’? In what way are such ‘studies’ merely ‘stupidity’? Why is attempting to understand our society and culture ‘stupid’? You have implied that ‘taking offence’ is a psychical flaw, yet when challenged on this simple premise, you are unable to detail your findings. You are totally unable to prove your premise. Why is that? Why are you so unable to prove your deeply held belief? Can you possibly explain why you are unable to find anything recorded in science that backs up your psychological analysis? Could it be that your cod psychology has a net value of ‘ZERO’? From here, it looks like exactly like that. it is really sad that you have to have someone else tell you what to think And with that you expose your entire mental shortcomings. This isn’t about what to ‘think’, this about what you understand. In order to come to a conclusion about anything, you first need to understand the parameters of the the issue under discussion. Clearly you are singularly incapable of thinking of anything. You a re simply regurgitating things you have heard before an attempting to pass it of as an original thought. However, when questioned, you are unable to back up what you have stated.
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Post by randomvioce on Aug 22, 2010 18:53:29 GMT
No, RV, its a matter of colour and you can't wriggle out of that. In some cases, yes, the colour of the person's skin is relevant, what is wrong with that? There is rare occasions when the colour of the person using the word 'black person' can be the sole decider that the term is used as a term of abuse. And? Your point? You cannot even answer a simple question, either you'd be offended or you couldn't give a toss. You had this explained to you repeatedly and yet is seems too complicated for for you. Sad.
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