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Post by pumpkinette on Sept 18, 2010 19:29:17 GMT
Ron Paul is a total and complete moron. He calls himself a Republican but that's a joke. 1 reason you write him off is because he exposes Dubya's evils and how Republican Party has gotten VERY corrupted through the years. The neo-conservative ###*** have greatly taken over and Paul exposes that constantly, thank God!
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Sept 19, 2010 0:23:22 GMT
Aubrey - please stop insulting my heroes. The younger Bush, Newt Gingrich, and Sarah Palin are all A+++ in my book. The losers have names like Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Lyndon Johnson, Obama, Pelosi, and the rest of the pathetic Democrats. You keep trying to justify being a druggie by dragging in Marijuana and alcohol. Please stop it with the nonsense. That's not even a part of the issue. Nor are prescription drugs. It is just the highly addictive illegal hard drugs (heroin, cocaine (especially crack cocaine), and meth) that we're talking about. Please limit your druggie defenses to those drugs and those drug dealers. Those are the ones we need to exterminate. Three points, BA. Are you in FAVOUR of legalising marijuana? Secondly, do you realise that there is a HUGE difference between crack and other variations of cocaine? Thirdly, do you realise there is a HUGE difference between skunk and other variations of marijuana? Lin - I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana despite the fact that I don't see it as a big addiction threat. I just don't see any benefits from having it legal. Why do it if there are no benefits? All the people I've known who were addicted to cocaine were worthless. Doesn't matter whether crack or another variation. They were slugs. I'm really not concerned with marijuana (regardless of type). It is the highly addictive hard drugs that I want us to exterminate (cocaine, heroin, meth).
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Post by aubrey on Sept 19, 2010 9:21:30 GMT
Bush wouldn't have had such a good time without cocaine, would he? It's funny how you hate cocaine so much but love the world's most celebrated user. But you don't think present day users should be treated in the way that Bush was.
Benefits of legalising marijuana are obvious. You'll spend a lot less on law inforcement, for one thing - think of all the many thousands of people in prison for marijuana offences - I'd have thought that would be important on a public spending basis, even if you don't care about the people whose lives are ruined by a spell in prison. And there will be nearly a million people a year who won't have marijuana possession on their arrest record, and so will find it easier to get a job.
Against that, there is the power thing of having another law you can use: which is the only real reason for the prohibition of marijuana.
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Post by pumpkinette on Sept 21, 2010 3:16:36 GMT
Bush wouldn't have had such a good time without cocaine, would he? It's funny how you hate cocaine so much but love the world's most celebrated user. But you don't think present day users should be treated in the way that Bush was. Benefits of legalising marijuana are obvious. You'll spend a lot less on law inforcement, for one thing - think of all the many thousands of people in prison for marijuana offences - I'd have thought that would be important on a public spending basis, even if you don't care about the people whose lives are ruined by a spell in prison. And there will be nearly a million people a year who won't have marijuana possession on their arrest record, and so will find it easier to get a job. Against that, there is the power thing of having another law you can use: which is the only real reason for the prohibition of marijuana. Speaking of Dubya and cocaine: www.serendipity.li/bush/xymphora01.htm
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Post by pumpkinette on Sept 21, 2010 3:17:19 GMT
Three points, BA. Are you in FAVOUR of legalising marijuana? Secondly, do you realise that there is a HUGE difference between crack and other variations of cocaine? Thirdly, do you realise there is a HUGE difference between skunk and other variations of marijuana? Lin - I'm not in favor of legalizing marijuana despite the fact that I don't see it as a big addiction threat. I just don't see any benefits from having it legal. Why do it if there are no benefits? All the people I've known who were addicted to cocaine were worthless. Doesn't matter whether crack or another variation. They were slugs. I'm really not concerned with marijuana (regardless of type). It is the highly addictive hard drugs that I want us to exterminate (cocaine, heroin, meth). Speaking of Dubya and cocaine: www.serendipity.li/bush/xymphora01.htmEnjoy! ;D
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Post by pumpkinette on Sept 26, 2010 16:05:24 GMT
But drugs are fun, great, etc: why do you think people take them? My experience with drugs has been wholly positive. For most people it is. You can't tell these people that their experience is a lie. That is what has always been the problem with various Govts' drug policies. The drugs that are dangerous are dangerous because they are illegal. Heroin, for eg, is quite safe when taken properly, in measured doses and unadulterated. Most deaths are from contamination or accidental overdoses (getting a purer dose than you expected: this is what did for Sid Vicious). Cannabis is not really dangerous (nothing is completely safe). Ecstacy is safer than horse riding. And isn't the crack baby thing largely a myth? They are doomed more because of their circumstances - and being treated as a crack baby - than their mother taking drugs. Drugs that are illegal are the only 1's that are dangerous? Really? You may want to hear about the withdrawls I've been going through since January of 2009 from my medicine for panic disorder! I was on Limbitrol, which is a combination anti-depressant/tranquilizer. It's completely legal and you get addicted to it in less than 2 months even IF you never abuse it. I never abused mine and pushed constantly to go off it once I was well enough. An FYI, these drugs are VERY dangerous if handled wrong! If you go off them suddenly, you can have seizures and die from them. If you mix them with alcohol, they can kill you. Thank God I have a DECENT, NON-QUACK doctor who took me off Limbitrol the right way! This class of drug are benzodiazepines and are being handed out like candy for panic disorder, etc. What's evil is TOO MANY doctors aren't telling the people how you get addicted in less than 2 months through no fault of your own and also that MOST people go through withdrawl HELL when going off EVEN when going off them the RIGHT WAY like I have! Now I have less than 5 withdrawl symptoms, but this has only been for a few months. HOWEVER, the worst of the withdrawls were over for me early this year. I wouldn't wish withdrawl hell on my worst enemy! I'm very thankful I was able to still work, even though I missed several days/hours due to the HELL. Fortunately, the sickness from withdrawls is covered by FMLA, which is a government program which protects your job when you're out sick for chronic health problems. I have 3 chronic health problems I'm covered for under FMLA and am very thankful for this program every day! Anyway, I have little patience with anyone who thinks ONLY illegal drugs are dangerous! I know better! I SHOULD HAVE been told when being put on Limbitrol about how you get addicted PLUS what withdrawl would be like. I wasn't! This is still going on everywhere, unfortunately. I'm speaking up about it every chance I get online, like I'm doing here! IF I'd been told everything about Limbitrol, I would have asked is there anything else I can take? The fact is not everyone has a computer OR a library near them to research their prescriptions! I did start researching Limbitrol, but at that point in time I'd already gone past the 2 month point. Once I found out how you can have seizures, etc., if going off the wrong way, I started pushing to get off it once I was well enough. The truth is it helped me HUGELY for the years I was on it (about 8-9 years), but I still should have been told everything! The information I got from the pharmacy didn't tell about addiction/withdrawl either! Anyway, I started the weaning process in 2002 due to being hugely better and haven't had even a fraction of a pill since January of 2009! I was switched before I went off to a NON-ADDICTIVE medicine for panic and the weaning process from that 1 will start the next time I see my medical doctor which will be in January. ;D I've busted my butt doing all I can to get better and it's paid off. 1 of the GOOD things about panic disorder is a lot of getting better has to do with YOU, what you do, don't do, etc. I'm very thankful for that. Aubrey, I know better now than to ever say ONLY illegal drugs can be dangerous and even deadly if used wrong!
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Post by aubrey on Sept 26, 2010 18:17:53 GMT
Oh, Pumpkinette - I didn't mean that only illegal drugs are dangerous. Any drug can be dangerous. I just meant that the illegality of certain drugs is what makes them more dangerous than other drugs. Illegality makes for a certain lifestyle of the users, and also leads to adulteration, which can make the drugs more toxic or easier to overdose. And that is without saying anything about the legal risks - Cannabis users have more to fear from the consequences of being caught than the drug itself, infinitely more. Heroin deaths would be vastly reduced if it were decriminalised, and available on prescription, like most other drugs.
Line from a song:
"While condemning speed and grass, you've got an addiction like a hole in the ass, to Roche Rumble..." [IE - Valium]
All drugs can be dangerous; but illegal drugs could be made a lot less so. (I really don't think we disagree on much of this.)
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Sept 26, 2010 23:08:01 GMT
Look what drugs are doing to Mexico. Now the drug cartels are murdering public officials who refuse to cooperate and won't accept their bribes. The cartels are directly challenging the government for control.
Thankfully President Calderon has a backbone and is a man of principle. He won't cave in to these criminals.
Someone sent me a video that is too gruesome to post here. It shows several drug cartel members in Mexico with the body of one of their competing cartel member who they've murdered. They have the cadaver out in the desert laying face down on the ground. They proceed to slash his flesh with a sharp knive all over his body from head to toe. Then the vultures move in and strip the skeleton of all flesh. It is truly gruesome. The perpetrators are smiling and enjoying the show. Afterwards, they display the bare skeleton to the camera. The message is clear: Don't mess with us or this will happen to you.
These criminal gangs must be exterminated and the sooner the better.
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Post by aubrey on Sept 27, 2010 16:57:50 GMT
The criminal gangs want drugs to stay illegal.
Should the younger Bush have got a prison sentence for his cocaine use, BA? He'd never have been president then, would he? So he must have thought that he shouldn't have got a prison sentence: but that everyone else should.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Sept 27, 2010 23:29:58 GMT
I've never been in favor on imprisoning drug users Aubrey. However, I do think drug dealers should be shot on sight (unless they can be persuaded to save their lives by turning in their supplier).
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Post by mouse on Sept 28, 2010 6:35:16 GMT
These criminal gangs must be exterminated and the sooner the better. 100%
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Post by aubrey on Sept 28, 2010 9:35:39 GMT
I said, on the last page, the people who most don't want decriminalisation are the criminal gangs. They're at one with the right-wingers on this.
It's like they planned it together. They're the two groups who benefit the most from prohibition.
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Post by aubrey on Sept 28, 2010 21:02:55 GMT
And while the talk is always about going to get those scary Mexican gangs, the only people the authorities actually go after are the people who have a spliff every now and them: nearly a million in the US last year. That's nearly a million people with a drugs crime on their record, cutting them off from all but a few jobs (people with records of violence have no such restrictions, naturally).
The war on drugs always goes after the easiest victims.
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Post by aubrey on Sept 28, 2010 21:04:31 GMT
Actually, they probably did. Law enforcement has always gone hand in hand with the criminals - only the big criminals, though.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Sept 29, 2010 0:25:26 GMT
Aubrey - Please stop it with the decriminalization nonsense. That's simply not going to happen, and for good reason.
Druggies are basically worthless people.
Drug suppliers are the worst criminals on the planet. You can clearly see that by following the news on Mexico. They need to be exterminated.
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Post by pumpkinette on Sept 29, 2010 8:35:13 GMT
Aubrey - Please stop it with the decriminalization nonsense. That's simply not going to happen, and for good reason. Druggies are basically worthless people. Drug suppliers are the worst criminals on the planet. You can clearly see that by following the news on Mexico. They need to be exterminated. Basically worthless? THANKS! Thanks for keeping up unfair stereotypes! I could bring up AGAIN how when I was an ACTIVE alcoholic that I worked, paid my taxes, etc., but it would just fall of deaf ears ( ).
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Post by pumpkinette on Sept 29, 2010 8:48:20 GMT
Oh, Pumpkinette - I didn't mean that only illegal drugs are dangerous. Any drug can be dangerous. I just meant that the illegality of certain drugs is what makes them more dangerous than other drugs. Illegality makes for a certain lifestyle of the users, and also leads to adulteration, which can make the drugs more toxic or easier to overdose. And that is without saying anything about the legal risks - Cannabis users have more to fear from the consequences of being caught than the drug itself, infinitely more. Heroin deaths would be vastly reduced if it were decriminalised, and available on prescription, like most other drugs. Line from a song: "While condemning speed and grass, you've got an addiction like a hole in the ass, to Roche Rumble..." [IE - Valium] All drugs can be dangerous; but illegal drugs could be made a lot less so. (I really don't think we disagree on much of this.) Dear aubrey, sorry for the misunderstanding on my part! I'm very glad I know now what you meant FULLY! ;D I tend to speak out strongly when I hear ANYONE say what I THOUGHT you originally did! Thanks for saying ALL drugs CAN be dangerous! 100% true and I know 1st hand how horrible withdrawls are, even if you never abused the drug to begin with.
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Post by aubrey on Sept 29, 2010 8:50:13 GMT
BA - I'd agree with your comment on druggies in as far as it applies to the younger G Bush. Worthless* and hypocritical, since he (and you) think that it's right that he should get away with it.
Wait till your kids get caught with an eighth of grass - will you think they should be banged up? Or be treated like the younger (and most worthless) G Bush?
*Actually, more than worthless, since he's cost us all a hell of a lot. If worthless is zero, he'd be a very high minus figure.
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Post by pumpkinette on Sept 29, 2010 19:06:58 GMT
Aubrey - Please stop it with the decriminalization nonsense. That's simply not going to happen, and for good reason. Druggies are basically worthless people. Drug suppliers are the worst criminals on the planet. You can clearly see that by following the news on Mexico. They need to be exterminated. So how worthless is DUBYA then? ;D
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Post by aubrey on Oct 7, 2010 17:01:07 GMT
I went to get some drugs today. Lou Reed said this of buying drugs: He's never early, he's always late; The First thing you learn is that you've always got to wait.And it's true: the bloke was out at the bank when I got there. So I waited. There was a chair though, and I could look at shelves of bottles containing folic acid supplements and the like. (I didn't pay either, as I've got an exemption certificate. )
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