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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 5, 2010 22:23:36 GMT
RV - I'm certain that the average American has no idea that people in other countries consider the term 'football' to mean something other than the football played in America.
If you did a random survey at any American shopping mall and asked the question, "The term football refers to what sport?", almost everyone would answer with a curious look on their face that "Football refers to football of course." They would be referring to American Football. They would be completely unaware that other countries use the term to refer to the sport of soccer.
However, if there happened to be some Latinos in the mall they might answer that football refers to soccer.
Then, if you were to ask a few more questions, you might be surprised with the answers. For instance:
The World Cup is the top prize for the sports champion of: 1. Hockey 2. Soccer 3. Rugby 4. Ping Pong 5. Grand Prix Auto Racing 6. Volleyball
I'd be very surprised if more than 20% would answer soccer.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 5, 2010 23:12:34 GMT
Back to the World Cup. Germany lost it's last match with team Spain in 2008! Wednesday they meet again!
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Post by randomvioce on Jul 6, 2010 9:44:16 GMT
If you did a random survey at any American shopping mall and asked the question, "The term football refers to what sport?", almost everyone would answer with a curious look on their face that "Football refers to football of course." They would be referring to American Football. They would be completely unaware that other countries use the term to refer to the sport of soccer. That is fine, I don’t have an issue with that, but throughout the World we call it football. For you to suggest that RG cannot call a sport named ‘football’, ‘football’ is just ridiculous. The name of the game is FOOTBALL all over the World. Just because your sport is not the World game is no reason to be upset about the fact that FOOTBALL refers to our game. Perhaps you should change the name of your sport to grid iron to stop the confusion?
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Post by randomvioce on Jul 6, 2010 9:51:33 GMT
Perhaps Irish immigrants brought the term Sacar "soccer" to America! You have already had the term 'soccer' root explained to you! It is a contraction of the term 'association football'. Try and understand something about our language, Anna. We know where the word comes from. We have recorded history and are able to trace the word back to its roots. Why do you constantly have to re-invent things? It is far simpler than you think.
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Post by randomvioce on Jul 6, 2010 10:17:09 GMT
I have to get you a little more angry so that kissing and making up will be more fun! Oh, Anna, stamping your little feet like a spoilt child hoping to get attention! How silly! We used to have a TV programme where children used to give explanation of grown up actions. Listening to their naive ideas is quite endearing and funny, but the same traits in adults only comes across as stupidity and toe curlingly embarrassing. I don’t know how long you have lived in Germany, but surely some of their slightly more adult approach has rubbed of on you? Bush Admirer has an excuse, he is an elderly redneck, living in a backward State, and we can make allowances for him, but you live in Europe, we expect a bit more sophistication. We find American dumb ignorance quite amusing in Europe. There are countless shows with American making complete asses of them regarding simple facts of life. Does it make you feel proud that things we take for granted here Americans show a level of stupidity that we would laugh at five year olds? That cliche is wearing a bit thin. Why not make an effort to join in with the rest of us? We understand our flags, or language and our sports names. The fact that you find these things too complicated to understand, does not make us angry, it makes us sad for you. The only anger I feel is aimed at your German friends who have not helped you in maturing to the level where odd concepts are not above your little head.
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 6, 2010 15:28:39 GMT
RV - I'm certain that the average American has no idea that people in other countries consider the term 'football' to mean something other than the football played in America. If you did a random survey at any American shopping mall and asked the question, "The term football refers to what sport?", almost everyone would answer with a curious look on their face that "Football refers to football of course." They would be referring to American Football. They would be completely unaware that other countries use the term to refer to the sport of soccer. However, if there happened to be some Latinos in the mall they might answer that football refers to soccer. Then, if you were to ask a few more questions, you might be surprised with the answers. For instance: The World Cup is the top prize for the sports champion of: 1. Hockey 2. Soccer 3. Rugby 4. Ping Pong 5. Grand Prix Auto Racing 6. Volleyball I'd be very surprised if more than 20% would answer soccer. The problem is, BA, that - as so often - the US is in a MINORITY on that subject. MOST people of the world would immediately assume that the word 'football' DID refer to soccer and NOT to the NFL wimped-out and dumbed-down derivative of rugby (a game, by the way, invented by an Irishman!)
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 6, 2010 15:30:56 GMT
Tonight Holland are playing Uruguay.
Come on, you Dutch!
Tomorrow it's Germany versus Spain.
Come on, you Germans!
(As a Brit my attitude to the second final may surprise some people but I've got Basque blood in me and I can't bring myself to support a country that routinely tortures, oppresses and murders my people so, while I've NOTHING against the Spanish people, I DO detest their government. Gonzales was almost as bad as Franco - his death squads were a disgrace!)
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 6, 2010 15:42:16 GMT
Tonight Holland are playing Uruguay. Come on, you Dutch! Tomorrow it's Germany versus Spain. Come on, you Germans! (As a Brit my attitude to the second final may surprise some people but I've got Basque blood in me and I can't bring myself to support a country that routinely tortures, oppresses and murders my people so, while I've NOTHING against the Spanish people, I DO detest their government. Gonzales was almost as bad as Franco - his death squads were a disgrace!) Jeez Louise, don't tell Anna that one . . she'll be insisting that the Basques fly the Spanish flag at every turn based on a photo she found online.
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 6, 2010 15:42:56 GMT
There are Celtic speakers in Britain too! Perhaps Irish immigrants brought the term Sacar "soccer" to America! [/color][/size] [/quote] Celtic is not a language. But you know that, right?
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Post by alanseago on Jul 6, 2010 16:56:58 GMT
I live on the edge of the French Basque region and see no reason why the French and Spanish cannot get together and give them an autonomous state like Catalonia or a separate country in the EU. There is no frontier anymore and we have the same currency. They have their own language but so does cataluña.
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 6, 2010 17:17:32 GMT
I live on the edge of the French Basque region and see no reason why the French and Spanish cannot get together and give them an autonomous state like Catalonia or a separate country in the EU. There is no frontier anymore and we have the same currency. They have their own language but so does cataluña. Well said. I don't know enough about Spanish politics and history to fully understand why they are so virulently opposed to it. Yet they are one of the few European countries yet to recognise Kosovo because they recognise (rightly) that it's not for regions to simply declare themselves independent.
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Post by randomvioce on Jul 6, 2010 17:22:45 GMT
Well said. I don't know enough about Spanish politics and history to fully understand why they are so virulently opposed to it. There are some here who think total ignorance of the subject at hand is the perfect starting point of any debate.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 6, 2010 18:22:19 GMT
How 'bout letting me call this sport "Fussball" since people are getting so heated up about how this "holy sport" should be presented! I'll never understand why people get so upset if i note that the Irish language dictionary givers "Sacar" as the Irish word for the holiest of sports. Irish is spoken on the west coast of Ireland. Wearing the wrong colors is dangerous too. A Borussia Dortmund team scarf kept me warm one winter, but the Fussball fanatics just gave me a hard time.
I love the more friendly ambiance of US sports! They laugh things off that will get you in big trouble in a European football stadium..like rooting for the visiting team in the midst of hometown fans as i did in Chicago for the visiting Oakland, California team.
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Post by randomvioce on Jul 6, 2010 18:58:07 GMT
since people are getting so heated up about how this "holy sport" should be presented! What about calling it football? i.e. it's name? Why is that so complicated? Anyway, the problem is not what people call it, the problem is that you seem pretty much imune to the fact that the name 'football' is the name. You seem rather obsessed with this 'sacar' thing, I suggest you buy a new dictionary because the one you have bought appears to be made up of silly things. What you really have to understand is that Gaelic languages (there are several, BTW) are dead languages. People are trying to to inject newer words into them but they are not keeping them alive, they are making up words. No-one is heated up with this, Anna, just your insistence despite all the evidence that you are correct and the entire World is wrong.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 7, 2010 0:02:24 GMT
since people are getting so heated up about how this "holy sport" should be presented! What about calling it football? i.e. it's name? Why is that so complicated? Anyway, the problem is not what people call it, the problem is that you seem pretty much imune to the fact that the name 'football' is the name. You seem rather obsessed with this 'sacar' thing, I suggest you buy a new dictionary because the one you have bought appears to be made up of silly things. What you really have to understand is that Gaelic languages (there are several, BTW) are dead languages. People are trying to to inject newer words into them but they are not keeping them alive, they are making up words. No-one is heated up with this, Anna, just your insistence despite all the evidence that you are correct and the entire World is wrong. When i talk to Germans it's Fussball, when i talk to UK citizens it's football and when i talk to Americans it's soccer! I'm not a fan and have mixed feelings about the game. I have absolutely NO problem with BA and Jumbo calling the sport soccer!
When i was on the west coast of Ireland i met quite a number of native Irish speakers. My knowledge of the Irish language is limited to a few phrases and what if i'm wrong? Big deal! Interesting discussion consists of finding out who's more right and who's more wrong! I would never get upset if Riotgrrl called US baseball Rounders or a Russian poster insists on Lapka! If baseball is successfully imported to a foreign country the citizens there are free to give it a different name that harmonizes with their language and culture!
This hypersensitive fan stuff scares me! True there are Americans, who would react very allergically, if a European expects them to call their football "grid iron"! I don't approve of that either.
I certainly get along much better with Baseball, Cricket and Rugby fans than World Cup fans because the former are easy going about their favorite sport!
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 7, 2010 0:28:53 GMT
I think baseball is probably the most popular sport in America. I don't like it. I don't care if anyone insults it.
There are many sports that I find to be of little interest. Soccer just happens to be one of the most boring. Add these to the list: Golf, auto racing, wrestling, boxing, ice hockey, badminton, ping pong, curling, lacrosse, cross country skiing, competitive swimming and diving, rowing, archery, shooting with guns, etc. I'm sure I've covered less than half of the sports that I find of no interest.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 7, 2010 2:25:24 GMT
I think baseball is probably the most popular sport in America. I don't like it. I don't care if anyone insults it. There are many sports that I find to be of little interest. Soccer just happens to be one of the most boring. Add these to the list: Golf, auto racing, wrestling, boxing, ice hockey, badminton, ping pong, curling, lacrosse, cross country skiing, competitive swimming and diving, rowing, archery, shooting with guns, etc. I'm sure I've covered less than half of the sports that I find of no interest. Hi Das! I'll bet you don't like chess, because baseball has a vague similarity! I love baseball! Playing it and watching it! People are free to criticize it, if they don't like it. No problem! No one gets beaten up for bashing baseball!
I agree with your disdain for most of the spectator sports you mentioned, but i do kind of like to listen to wrestlers and boxers give interviews and ham it up! I could skip the ensuing fights though.
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Post by mouse on Jul 8, 2010 8:32:09 GMT
this is very true....its the USA that is out of step with the rest of the world... this renaming or trying to rename and make things in your own image .....is laughable.... goes down with the rest of us like a lead baloon...not an endearing trait...not apreciated..not wanted...not acepted and unfortunately gives america a bad name
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Post by mouse on Jul 8, 2010 8:38:57 GMT
How 'bout letting me call this sport "Fussball" since people are getting so heated up about how this "holy sport" should be presented!
WHY....its not a question of holy sport..its the total arogance..of wanting to alter some thing which the rest of the world acepts.....football is football......self explanitory so america dfidnt invent it....cant have the patent...tough.. liv wiv it
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