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Post by mouse on May 1, 2010 9:21:26 GMT
always seems strange to me this NEED for mass immigrants..especially as japan does quite well without...odd that...some how i think this immigration malarky was all a big con we also got through two world wars without mass immigration on our shores ..wonder how we managed that ?? the trains still tran..so did the busses...schools and hospitals worked ....all terribly odd
where is Mrs Duffy ? poor mrs duffy i hope she doesnt live near a wood
we all know what happens to those who shine a light on the doings of our elected
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Post by firedancer on May 1, 2010 10:23:10 GMT
I see. I wondered if that is what you meant but didn't like to presume.... 1) I was responding directly to a point made by Fret - not to one made by Mrs Duffy. The thread had wandered geographically from Rochdale somewhat - as far as Tooting and Streatham I believe - ;D 2) In any case, although she wasn't relevant to the point I was making, I don't understand why Mrs Duffy should not be concerned about a national issue because her patch does not happen to be overcrowded. I believe she was also concerned about the national debt - and that is a national issue also and not specific to Rochdale. Is everyone supposed to be concerned only about issues that impact them directly in their own town? I hope not.
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Post by mouse on May 1, 2010 13:31:23 GMT
when it comes to immigration..it would seem none of us should stick our noses in unless directly involved and even then only worship at the shrine......BUT in regard to the cost well every one is of course responsible..same with the national debt in short the answer is...you may pay taxes and foot the bill but not question the sense..justice..criminality..overcrowding or any personal view..if you do its either biggotted..racist or xenophobic and possibly all three at once
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Post by mouse on May 1, 2010 14:09:27 GMT
.now this is interesting..its intersting how the well being of the uk is 2ndry..i found this item on another site..well worth a read ............... "It's natural that those here are really concerned about what's happening politically over there, and that those in Britain are interested in what goes on over here." That might explain why Sultan Mehmood Chaudhry, a former premier of Pakistani-administered Kashmir and current Pakistani MP for Mirpur, is doing a tour of Britain before the general elections there. Speaking to us from Manchester, before his latest public speaking event, he said he saw himself as a leader of the Mirpuri community, at home and in the UK. "I'm here for the 6 May election. I always come during elections," says Mr Chaudhry. "It's basically so I can tell people how to vote and who to vote for. "Most of the Pakistanis here are from Mirpur, and I am the MP from Mirpur, and I know the issues here and who will be the best candidates to help solve the issues in Kashmir." news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8655697.stmDisgusting.So we have these so called British citizens voting here - not what they feel is best for Britain but best for their own society in their homeland. This is exactly why many immigrants will never be British,no matter if they were born here and have been here for generations. why are they not in own countries where their political interests lie and change that rather than trying to get the British MPs they think are best for them and not for us. they come here vote for the party they think is best for Kashmir......utter madness Read the whole article "Sitting in the garden of a large villa in Mirpur, a British citizen who has been a taxi driver in Halifax in Yorkshire for more than 20 years, talks of a practice which has become widespread here. For obvious reasons the man, in his fifties, does not want us to publish his name. He describes how people are going door to door asking Britons to blindly sign proxy forms for the upcoming elections, allowing someone else in the UK to vote on their behalf. "They said I didn't have to fill in any details, just to sign my name at the bottom of the form," he says, smiling. "So I signed two." He laughed as he told me he had no idea who was going to vote on his behalf, and whom they were going to vote for. " "I personally know 25 other people who did the same thing, lots of people just on this street, but everybody does it." Absolutely horrifying.
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Post by jean on May 1, 2010 14:15:12 GMT
Read this article - it should help to allay your fears (about the Poles, at any rate).
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Post by mouse on May 1, 2010 14:28:50 GMT
Read this article - it should help to allay your fears (about the Poles, at any rate). now if we can encourage the rest to follow suit....but some how i cannot see afghanistan..somalia..pakistan..africa in general....eastern europe in general.asia in general being as much of a draw as poland one can of course always hope and when hope is gone one is left with prayer
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Post by Big Lin on May 1, 2010 15:05:36 GMT
On the whole, most Asians are FAR better behaved than most of the Poles in London. You get very few of them vomiting and urinating on the streets, getting into drunken fights and all the other unattractive ways the Poles behave.
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Post by Big Lin on May 1, 2010 15:10:32 GMT
The point is that YOU'RE just SOFT on Tory failures but TOUGH on Labour ones. I'm TOUGH on BOTH of them. That's called consistency and its opposite is either muddle-headedness or hypocrisy! Is that so! You're happy with our corrupt elected dictatorship it seems to me. I'll probably go with the English Democrats if I don't spoil the ballot paper. There really should be an option for none of the above. Who says I'm HAPPY about the situation? Let's just briefly recapitulate what I've said on this subject more than ONCE on this board. 1 I support a TOTAL BAN on ALL immigration into this country. 2 I am a floating/swing voter so have NO alleigance to Labour, Lib Dems, Conservatives or ANY political party. 3 I am totally fed up with the elected dictatorship in Britain which was largely turned into a quasi-fascist-cum-stalinist model by Margaret Thatcher, a CONSERVATIVE if I seem to remember. 4 When Tory governments (like Macmillan and Heath) let in huge numbers of immigrants apparently you DON'T condemn them. When Labour governments do the same apparently you DO condemn them but NOT the Tories. To me, that's hypocrisy. I condemn BOTH.
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Post by fretslider on May 1, 2010 15:18:29 GMT
Is that so! You're happy with our corrupt elected dictatorship it seems to me. I'll probably go with the English Democrats if I don't spoil the ballot paper. There really should be an option for none of the above. Who says I'm HAPPY about the situation? Let's just briefly recapitulate what I've said on this subject more than ONCE on this board. 1 I support a TOTAL BAN on ALL immigration into this country. 2 I am a floating/swing voter so have NO alleigance to Labour, Lib Dems, Conservatives or ANY political party. 3 I am totally fed up with the elected dictatorship in Britain which was largely turned into a quasi-fascist-cum-stalinist model by Margaret Thatcher, a CONSERVATIVE if I seem to remember. 4 When Tory governments (like Macmillan and Heath) let in huge numbers of immigrants apparently you DON'T condemn them. When Labour governments do the same apparently you DO condemn them but NOT the Tories. To me, that's hypocrisy. I condemn BOTH. 1) You repeatedly inform us that Labour are better than the conservatives and the others, so your support for a ban on immigration, while laudable, is meaningless. Labour is hell bent on maximising it. 2) Why do you keep telling me how good Labour are compared to the Conservatives - even though my preferred option is to blow the whole bally lot of them up 3) If you are really fed up with the elected dictatorship you should be attacking them all as do I, but I haven't witnessed that - yet. I can assure you that if the Tories get in they will get exactly the same from me as Labour have, because they are ALL of the same ilk. Power to the people.
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Post by Big Lin on May 1, 2010 16:07:47 GMT
1 Labour are the LESSER of two EVILS. That's NOT the same as saying they're a positive GOOD.
2 You have to vote on a RANGE of issues and NOT just on immigration. If the ONLY beef I had was about immigration I'd have to vote BNP.
3 Because Labour ARE the lesser of two evils. Why do YOU keep repeatedly telling me that the Conservatives are BETTER?
4 I have always attacked all the political parties of this country. Two years ago I seriously considered founding one of my own but the expense would have been ruinous so I was forced to abandon it.
If you haven't 'witnessed' me attacking ALL the parties then I suggest you haven't been reading my posts properly.
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Post by mouse on May 1, 2010 16:43:01 GMT
1 Labour are the LESSER of two EVILS. That's NOT the same as saying they're a positive GOOD. 2 You have to vote on a RANGE of issues and NOT just on immigration. If the ONLY beef I had was about immigration I'd have to vote BNP. 3 Because Labour ARE the lesser of two evils. Why do YOU keep repeatedly telling me that the Conservatives are BETTER? am not so sure labour are the lesser of two evils..not so sure at all for a whole variety of reasons there is NO VOTE on a wide range of of issues...there are parties who suport issues...but one has virtually no choice of issues its a vote one get 10 free situation
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Post by mouse on May 1, 2010 16:53:05 GMT
it depends WHY people were let in.. and to what extent they were let in.... as we are all now well aware labour has let people in deliberately..millions of them out of sheer nastyness...which is a different matter than letting in those who need sanctuary....the ugandan asians being an example...the kosovans being another and ilegals are not straight way returned...incompetence and social engineering i have no time for now one could ask WHY the kosovans and ugandans who were muslims were not taken to muslim countries..and why asians didnt go to asia..and why once the situation was resolved they were not compulsarily returned...but that aside..if people are likely to be killedf..it seems reasonable to give them shelter
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Post by mouse on May 1, 2010 18:40:55 GMT
seems mrs duffy is alive and well...and not in the woods..well i think moors are more likely rochdale way
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Post by mouse on May 3, 2010 7:44:00 GMT
interesting corruption Postal voting surge brings warnings of electoral fraudComplaints to police relate mainly to council elections, which coincide with general election Police have received at least 50 complaints about serious voter fraud in advance of this week's elections amid warnings that the rapid rise of postal voting is making the system vulnerable to abuse. Accusations range from political activists putting pressure on people to mark their party's box on the postal vote form, to phantom voters being registered by candidates and their supporters to farm votes. The problems have emerged before most postal votes have been returned. www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/02/postal-voting-electoral-fraudNote the areas where these frauds are reported -Ealing,Tower Hamlets,Bradford,Bristol etc.
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Post by mouse on May 3, 2010 9:27:14 GMT
Postal fiasco could deny thousands their vote in electionBy Ian Drury Tens of thousands could be robbed of their chance to take part in the closest General Election in a generation because of a postal votes fiasco. Many who registered for a postal ballot - including the elderly and infirm - have still not received their vote three days before the nation goes to the polls. Those living overseas or serving in the Armed Forces in Afghanistan could also miss out on the chance to vote on Thursday because of the disruption to flights caused by last month's volcanic ash cloud. This could affect the result in marginal constituencies decided by a handful of voters. Postal voting has been expanded by the Labour Government. More than seven million have registered for a postal ballot, with a surge of 150,000 applications in the past month. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1270855/Postal-fiasco-deny-thousands-vote.html#ixzz0mrRjZkuI
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