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Post by firedancer on Apr 28, 2010 12:13:52 GMT
bigotedFirst really big "I didn't realise I was miked-up" gaffe. This one by Gordon. Your turn Dave, Nick....... PS Gordon's not learned the essential lesson yet - always, always assume you are miked-up. Can just imagine what Mandy's thinking..... Remember Reagen and "let's bomb Russia" ;D PS - he was probably right about this woman (haven't heard what she said yet) but oh dear.......
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Post by firedancer on Apr 28, 2010 12:16:08 GMT
Or was that Dubya....
Senior moment here.
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Post by jade on Apr 28, 2010 13:06:22 GMT
It was Raygun
O and yes, withoiut knowing what she said we cannot judge her level of bigotry
tho any politician in the middle of an election campaign calling a granny anything needs a slap
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Post by firedancer on Apr 28, 2010 13:42:25 GMT
Now heard what she said.....she was questioning him on pensions, students' costs, the national debt and immigration (specifically Eastern Europeans).
She is (was) a lifelong Labour supporter and was asking the sort of questions that the general public on the stump ask, in a typical blunt northerner's manner - I doubt she was bigoted as in BNF bigoted - just being blunt and expressing concerns that a lot of people have.
Gordon's grovelled mightily (the only thing he could do) and telephoned her to apologise. Mandy's doing his best to rescue his boss when he must feel as if he wants to strangle him and trying to say it's not what Gordon really thinks. Heat of the moment etc. but he knows it is what Gordon really thinks.
I would hate to be Gordon's press officers now - they must be spitting tacks. All that media training, all that advice and he blows it in the most elementary manner possible.
If Call me Dave and Nick boy have any sense they will not say a word. No need. And it could be them next time as they are well aware.
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Post by fretslider on Apr 28, 2010 16:57:00 GMT
It was Raygun O and yes, withoiut knowing what she said we cannot judge her level of bigotry tho any politician in the middle of an election campaign calling a granny anything needs a slap Her level of bigotry was zero, its been broadcast and its online. Its clear that Brown wants nothing to do with the public on whose support he depends. In fact he has a deep disdain for the public. We got a glimpse of Brown in private and it was not a pretty sight.
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Post by clemiethedog on Apr 28, 2010 17:00:31 GMT
Reagan's "bomb Russia" comment went over well with his supporters, as did all his anti-USSR rhetoric. There will always be a segment of the population that wants a war with somebody (as long as they neither fight it nor pay for it, that is).
When Soviet jets shot down a civilian flight, KAL 007, spooking out the Ruskies didn't seem too funny after all. When he finally did learn that the Soviets were definitely afraid of a western attack (i.e. going on alert during NATO exercises), Reagan toned down his tough guy talk and started sounding like a statesman (it helped that Gorby was in power by then).
You're right about the eavesdropping. Public figures of all walks should always assume that they're being recorded with mics or cell phones or whatever device is handy. We live in a "gotcha" society.
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Post by fretslider on Apr 28, 2010 17:49:14 GMT
Brown speaks his mind 32 seconds into the clip
The apology that followed in Jeremy Vine's radio interview was scarcely better. Perhaps unaware that he was being filmed, as well as heard.
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 28, 2010 20:47:06 GMT
This is what they think of British people who have the temerity to question their flooding of the country with unwanted immigrants. As for Reagan bombing Russia, read a story called "War Birds" by Stephen Baxter...his chief advisor (Nixon) advises "total rollback" when they suspect that the Russians have sabotaged the space shuttle. AH
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Post by mouse on Apr 28, 2010 20:47:48 GMT
trouble is people like brown dont have to live with or compete with immigrants..for jobs..housing..medical care and schools in some areas the woman asked various questions about a raft of things...it was only when she mentioned eastern europeans and immigration browns face fell[have seen it in slow motion] when he called her a bigot he meant it...and the population know he meant it and no apology will undo what he thought he was saying in private the utter contempt for the people has been writ large...and an even greater contempt for the people daring to question and be off message.......
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Post by mouse on Apr 28, 2010 20:52:35 GMT
O and yes, withoiut knowing what she said we cannot judge her level of bigotry there was no bigotry..just questions..and why not even if she was bigoted so what..politos are believe it or not suposed to be answerable to the people..not judge them..not avoid difficult questions...and they are suposed to govern in the best interests of the people.......the country is not their personal fiefdom and above being questioned by the serfs...and if a group or individuals dont care for what is being done they have a RIGHT to ask questions
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Post by fretslider on Apr 28, 2010 21:07:17 GMT
trouble is people like brown dont have to live with or compete with immigrants..for jobs..housing..medical care and schools in some areas the woman asked various questions about a raft of things...it was only when she mentioned eastern europeans and immigration browns face fell[have seen it in slow motion] when he called her a bigot he meant it...and the population know he meant it and no apology will undo what he thought he was saying in private the utter contempt for the people has been writ large...and an even greater contempt for the people daring to question and be off message....... Spot on, Mouse. Brown holds us in contempt and by us I mean the English
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Post by mouse on Apr 28, 2010 22:04:31 GMT
i lurve the way he blamed every one for his big mistake in allowing his contempt to shine through the lies and spin.....how dare they give him a woman who asked questions....instead of a loyal creep.....now if he could lose his seat as well.......justice would be served
seems we may be getting another two and a half million after having looked at the polls..aint we the lucky ones
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Post by mikemarshall on Apr 28, 2010 22:17:58 GMT
An entirely manufactured non-issue by the Tory media.
A quick survey of the voters of Rochdale have shown that it makes NO difference to their voting intentions.
Sometimes it seems as if the silly season never really ends in politics.
Goodness me, when you consider how mild his language was it really is totally dishonest to make such an enormous fuss about something so utterly trivial!
Cameron and Clegg have almost certainly delivered some choice insults about some members of the public but were fortunate enough not to have been caught out.
Perhaps we should debate the serious issues - such as the risible proposals by the Conservatives to deal with the PSBR, which are so inadequate that even the Institute of Financial Studies has dismissed them as fantasy economics.
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Post by fretslider on Apr 28, 2010 22:50:25 GMT
An entirely manufactured non-issue by the Tory media. A quick survey of the voters of Rochdale have shown that it makes NO difference to their voting intentions. Sometimes it seems as if the silly season never really ends in politics. Goodness me, when you consider how mild his language was it really is totally dishonest to make such an enormous fuss about something so utterly trivial! Cameron and Clegg have almost certainly delivered some choice insults about some members of the public but were fortunate enough not to have been caught out. Perhaps we should debate the serious issues - such as the risible proposals by the Conservatives to deal with the PSBR, which are so inadequate that even the Institute of Financial Studies has dismissed them as fantasy economics. Can we not discuss the awful mess that the public services are in thanks to PPP and PFI? These deals (ha!) are off the balance sheet... Examples include... In Brighton, a PFI school shut after just three years, leaving the local authority to pay £4.5 million to release itself from a contract with Jarvis. Northern Ireland's education authorities will have to pay an estimated £7.4 million over the next 20 years to "maintain" a PFI school which closed last summer. In Essex, councillors are also bracing themselves for a huge bill following a decision to shut Bishops Park College - just two years after the new building was completed as part of a public-private deal. Hospitals are cutting services to cope with their obligations under PFI.... The cost of NHS building deals agreed since 1997 will swell by almost one quarter from 2011 to 2014, necessitating billions of pounds in "efficiency savings", which are already being drawn up by trusts. More than 100 NHS trusts are operating private finance initiatives (PFIs) agreed since 1997. Under the deals, private companies build hospitals and lease estates and services back to the health service over a period of around 30 years. Of a total £60 billion debt owed to the developers, less than £5 billion will have been paid to them by the time of the general election on May 6th. Brown's illusion of something for no tax increases is having a major impact on, er, frontline services. But you don't hear about that. I think all the parties are corrupt and undemocratic, quite why you think Labour is any better than the others is beyond me.
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Post by mikemarshall on Apr 28, 2010 23:00:39 GMT
Well, of course, part of the problem is that we suffer from the delusion that we must HAVE a vast provision of public services.
The MAJORITY of functions carried out by local and national government would be far BETTER provided by NON governmental sources.
We could begin to cut the deficit by abolishing all council housing; by abolishing all welfare benefits; by replacing welfare with a negative income tax; by replacing the Council Tax with a local income tax; by privatising practically ALL functions currently carried out by the government; and by refusing to allow criminals like Goldsmith, Ashcroft, Mital and others to rob the people of this country.
That would be a good place to start the radical surgery which our body politic requires!
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Post by mikemarshall on Apr 28, 2010 23:02:41 GMT
Incidentally, Fret, I most certainly do NOT consider Labour 'better than all the others.'
I have already said that I am voting Lib Dem as representing the LEAST BAD of a very sorry bunch.
I still remain firmly convinced that the Conservatives under Cameron are WORSE than Labour under Brown.
I certainly believe that Labour are worse than the Lib Dems; it is simply that I believe that the Tories are even worse than Labour!
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Post by fretslider on Apr 29, 2010 7:44:57 GMT
Incidentally, Fret, I most certainly do NOT consider Labour 'better than all the others.' I have already said that I am voting Lib Dem as representing the LEAST BAD of a very sorry bunch. I still remain firmly convinced that the Conservatives under Cameron are WORSE than Labour under Brown. I certainly believe that Labour are worse than the Lib Dems; it is simply that I believe that the Tories are even worse than Labour! Let's put it this way, Mike. Labour and Conservatiove have wrecked it in turn. Perhaps we should give the Lib-Dems their turn to screw it up, its only fair.
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Post by mouse on Apr 29, 2010 7:58:30 GMT
An entirely manufactured non-issue by the Tory media. . hardly manufactured mike.....he said what he thought off camera......thuis showing comtempt for the woman and the voting public who dare question his and his governments policies how you can say that was manufactured...it was more ""hoist with his own bigotry against the voter who dares disagree with him....his distain was plain for all to see and hear as for the tory press... ;D this wasnt ""tory"" press..it was reporters on the ground....hardly time to get the ok from tory masters ;D
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Post by mouse on Apr 29, 2010 8:02:42 GMT
I have already said that I am voting Lib Dem as representing the LEAST BAD of a very sorry bunch. mmm not so sure...the lib dems are the least bad of a sorry bunch.......europe and increased immigration by default ....hardly a base for good governance in the interests of the people
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Post by jean on Apr 29, 2010 8:58:07 GMT
We could begin to cut the deficit by abolishing all council housing... We've already done that.
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