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Post by Ben Lomond on Mar 22, 2010 14:30:29 GMT
Congratulations to President Obama for succeeding where all his predecessors have failed; getting meaningful medical reform enacted at last. I still cannot understand why any American would object to a measure that seeks to provide access to medical treatment for the millions who are currently disenfranchised. At last you seem to have a President who actually cares for ALL Americans, and not just those who are affluent. Good for him!
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Post by pumpkinette on Mar 22, 2010 14:46:51 GMT
Congratulations to President Obama for succeeding where all his predecessors have failed; getting meaningful medical reform enacted at last. I still cannot understand why any American would object to a measure that seeks to provide access to medical treatment for the millions who are currently disenfranchised. At last you seem to have a President who actually cares for ALL Americans, and not just those who are affluent. Good for him! Some of us who have chronic health problems that currently HAVE NO CURE are concerned and I'm 1 of them. I'm on medications for these problems and at this point have to be seen every 3 months for my health problems. You better believe I'm concerned! I'm sorry, but I don't trust AT ALL something that comes from this phony "Savior" piece of filth, 1 world government pushing, New World Order stooge! The phony "Savior" cares about people? Really? Is that why last year he wanted VETERANS to PAY FOR THEIR OWN HEALTH CARE? That's REALLY caring, isn't it? ****#### the phony "Savior"! I hate his guts for at least a few reasons and this thing with the veterans is 1 of them.
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Post by Ben Lomond on Mar 22, 2010 14:58:38 GMT
"contempt prior to investigation". You are not meant to take your message signature literally!
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 22, 2010 15:46:22 GMT
Congratulations to President Obama for succeeding where all his predecessors have failed; getting meaningful medical reform enacted at last. I still cannot understand why any American would object to a measure that seeks to provide access to medical treatment for the millions who are currently disenfranchised. At last you seem to have a President who actually cares for ALL Americans, and not just those who are affluent. Good for him! we are finally getting the real america back. it has been republican ideology for decades to enrich the wealthy by depriving the poor, and this is a good step toward reversing that. it obviously doesn't go far enough, but corporate greed and its minions are being crushed under the heels of humanity. it's heartwarming to see that the millions of dollars that the trash of the insurance industry and right wing lunatic fringe spent on commercials spouting the abject lies was to no avail. america is finally on the road to becoming america again
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Post by clemiethedog on Mar 22, 2010 16:23:21 GMT
Most of this bill doesn't kick in until 2013. That means the GOP has not one but two elections in which to get the votes they would need to repeal the act, although the new insurance provisions would go into effect just as the new Congress was being seated in January 2013.
In short, it is at least possible that this debate over the Stalinization of healthcare will be ongoing for nearly three more years. At least there will be time for people to actually get familiar with what's coming and to learn that the bill does not include death panels, mandatory abortions, or the conscription of doctors, nurses, aides and techs into a National Healthcare Corps under which Americans will wait longer for healthcare than for peace in Iraq.
OTOH, I look forward eagerly to the total nationalization of animal healthcare delivery. Animals are too dumb to make their own decisions and have to rely on their masters, whose interests may be in conflict with their own.
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Post by trubble on Mar 22, 2010 16:27:02 GMT
.... Is that why last year he wanted VETERANS to PAY FOR THEIR OWN HEALTH CARE? That's REALLY caring, isn't it? ****#### the phony "Savior"! I hate his guts for at least a few reasons and this thing with the veterans is 1 of them. But... he didn't want that, did he? He and his team had an idea - why don't the INSURANCE COMPANIES get billed for medical costs instead of the government? Veterans weren't asked to pay anything. If they already had insurance companies, the companies would be sent the bills. It seems they didn't factor in the potential obstacles that insurance companies would be likely to place but the veterans were aware of them and told Obama so. Obama dropped it like a hot potato. It seems very short lived, this idea, albeit insensitive. Maybe it should be forgotten? Or remembered for a case of a President listening to his people? March 16 2009: Obama met with veterans' groups and Obama raised the idea. Market research? Frank discussion? Same day: The groups said no they didn't like it and ran off to the press to say so. March 17 : Chairman of the Senate Committee on Veteran's Affairs, Senator Daniel Akaka, pledges that no such legislation will happen because the panel will simply not back it. March 18 : Whitehouse drops the idea completely. Veterans are informed. Situation resolved. www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/19/obama-drops-disputed-vet-medical-plan/Veterans of Foreign Wars' Commander Glen M. Gardner Jr. said he was impressed the president kept his word to listen to the veterans' community if it objected to the proposal.
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Post by riotgrrl on Mar 22, 2010 16:37:24 GMT
Most of this bill doesn't kick in until 2013. That means the GOP has not one but two elections in which to get the votes they would need to repeal the act, although the new insurance provisions would go into effect just as the new Congress was being seated in January 2013. In short, it is at least possible that this debate over the Stalinization of healthcare will be ongoing for nearly three more years. At least there will be time for people to actually get familiar with what's coming and to learn that the bill does not include death panels, mandatory abortions, or the conscription of doctors, nurses, aides and techs into a National Healthcare Corps under which Americans will wait longer for healthcare than for peace in Iraq. OTOH, I look forward eagerly to the total nationalization of animal healthcare delivery. Animals are too dumb to make their own decisions and have to rely on their masters, whose interests may be in conflict with their own. Clemie Not convinced 'Stalinization' is the correct word; Stalin wasn't very big on healthcare iirc. Although he did seem to think very cold weather and hard work was a cure for dissidence.
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Post by riotgrrl on Mar 22, 2010 16:38:14 GMT
(In fact, let's follow through Stalinist healthcare logic and send the teapartiers to Alaska . . . )
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Post by pumpkinette on Mar 22, 2010 16:42:06 GMT
.... Is that why last year he wanted VETERANS to PAY FOR THEIR OWN HEALTH CARE? That's REALLY caring, isn't it? ****#### the phony "Savior"! I hate his guts for at least a few reasons and this thing with the veterans is 1 of them. But... he didn't want that, did he? He and his team had an idea - why don't the INSURANCE COMPANIES get billed for medical costs instead of the government? Veterans weren't asked to pay anything. If they already had insurance companies, the companies would be sent the bills. It seems they didn't factor in the potential obstacles that insurance companies would be likely to place but the veterans were aware of them and told Obama so. Obama dropped it like a hot potato. It seems very short lived, this idea, albeit insensitive. Maybe it should be forgotten? Or remembered for a case of a President listening to his people? March 16 2009: Obama met with veterans' groups and Obama raised the idea. Market research? Frank discussion? Same day: The groups said no they didn't like it and ran off to the press to say so. March 17 : Chairman of the Senate Committee on Veteran's Affairs, Senator Daniel Akaka, pledges that no such legislation will happen because the panel will simply not back it. March 18 : Whitehouse drops the idea completely. Veterans are informed. Situation resolved. www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/19/obama-drops-disputed-vet-medical-plan/Veterans of Foreign Wars' Commander Glen M. Gardner Jr. said he was impressed the president kept his word to listen to the veterans' community if it objected to the proposal. It doesn't disturb you that Obama even CONSIDERED such an evil thing? Just wondering. I heard the president of the American Legion interviewed about this last year and he was furious that it was EVEN BROUGHT UP. I agree 100%.
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Post by pumpkinette on Mar 22, 2010 16:44:02 GMT
"contempt prior to investigation". You are not meant to take your message signature literally! FYI, I looked up this issue on my own, OK? I also heard people (like the president of the American Legion) interviewed about it. The fact that New World Order, 1 world government pushing SCUM Obama even CONSIDERED such an evil thing is a total outrage.
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Post by pumpkinette on Mar 22, 2010 16:48:17 GMT
.... Is that why last year he wanted VETERANS to PAY FOR THEIR OWN HEALTH CARE? That's REALLY caring, isn't it? ****#### the phony "Savior"! I hate his guts for at least a few reasons and this thing with the veterans is 1 of them. But... he didn't want that, did he? He and his team had an idea - why don't the INSURANCE COMPANIES get billed for medical costs instead of the government? Veterans weren't asked to pay anything. If they already had insurance companies, the companies would be sent the bills. It seems they didn't factor in the potential obstacles that insurance companies would be likely to place but the veterans were aware of them and told Obama so. Obama dropped it like a hot potato. It seems very short lived, this idea, albeit insensitive. Maybe it should be forgotten? Or remembered for a case of a President listening to his people? March 16 2009: Obama met with veterans' groups and Obama raised the idea. Market research? Frank discussion? Same day: The groups said no they didn't like it and ran off to the press to say so. March 17 : Chairman of the Senate Committee on Veteran's Affairs, Senator Daniel Akaka, pledges that no such legislation will happen because the panel will simply not back it. March 18 : Whitehouse drops the idea completely. Veterans are informed. Situation resolved. www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/19/obama-drops-disputed-vet-medical-plan/Veterans of Foreign Wars' Commander Glen M. Gardner Jr. said he was impressed the president kept his word to listen to the veterans' community if it objected to the proposal. You do realize that MANY veterans are DEPENDENT on government programs like Medicare, Medicaid, etc., ESPECIALLY if they're on disability, right? So, what about THEM? MANY don't HAVE private insurance and/or can't afford it. "Forget it"-this is a HUGE problem and a big reason SCUM like Obama keep getting elected. How MUCH are people willing to live with? The fact that the ###**** even CONSIDERED such a thing as this is pure evil. "Forgetting" past evil acts (especially when there's a pattern of them with NO repentance from this 1 world government pushing, New World Order STOOGE) is evil compromise.
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Post by pumpkinette on Mar 22, 2010 16:51:21 GMT
.... Is that why last year he wanted VETERANS to PAY FOR THEIR OWN HEALTH CARE? That's REALLY caring, isn't it? ****#### the phony "Savior"! I hate his guts for at least a few reasons and this thing with the veterans is 1 of them. But... he didn't want that, did he? He and his team had an idea - why don't the INSURANCE COMPANIES get billed for medical costs instead of the government? Veterans weren't asked to pay anything. If they already had insurance companies, the companies would be sent the bills. It seems they didn't factor in the potential obstacles that insurance companies would be likely to place but the veterans were aware of them and told Obama so. Obama dropped it like a hot potato. It seems very short lived, this idea, albeit insensitive. Maybe it should be forgotten? Or remembered for a case of a President listening to his people? March 16 2009: Obama met with veterans' groups and Obama raised the idea. Market research? Frank discussion? Same day: The groups said no they didn't like it and ran off to the press to say so. March 17 : Chairman of the Senate Committee on Veteran's Affairs, Senator Daniel Akaka, pledges that no such legislation will happen because the panel will simply not back it. March 18 : Whitehouse drops the idea completely. Veterans are informed. Situation resolved. www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/19/obama-drops-disputed-vet-medical-plan/Veterans of Foreign Wars' Commander Glen M. Gardner Jr. said he was impressed the president kept his word to listen to the veterans' community if it objected to the proposal. An FYI, the president of American Legion that I heard interviewed said that SCUM phony "Savior" REFUSED to talk to at least 1 veterans group that was concerned, OK? That reminds me of how SCUM "Savior" has also HID from the survivors of the 9/11 victims after Charlie Sheen pleaded with him to just give him (Sheen) 20 minutes of his time. He didn't even have the COURTESY to ANSWER Sheen. I'm a survivor of 2 murder victims and this kind of RUDE TREATMENT to any survivor is NOT acceptable, EVER.
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Post by Big Lin on Mar 22, 2010 16:56:48 GMT
I don't like Obama and I think this bill is a giant mouse BUT compared with doing nothing it's at least an improvement on what was there before.
Of course Obama ought to have had the guts to face down the insurance companies and the pharmaceutical barons but he didn't - in fact, his worst fault seems to be that he's TOO willing to compromise and sell the pass.
Even so, it's better than nothing.
Whether or not that makes Obama anything more than a mediocre President is another matter.
At least he's finally scored 2/10 which is 2 more than his predecessor ever managed!
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Post by trubble on Mar 22, 2010 17:33:48 GMT
An FYI, the president of American Legion that I heard interviewed said that SCUM phony "Savior" REFUSED to talk to at least 1 veterans group that was concerned, OK? Was that on the Wednesday? Maybe Obama had already made plans.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 22, 2010 17:35:02 GMT
I don't like Obama and I think this bill is a giant mouse BUT compared with doing nothing it's at least an improvement on what was there before. Of course Obama ought to have had the guts to face down the insurance companies and the pharmaceutical barons but he didn't - in fact, his worst fault seems to be that he's TOO willing to compromise and sell the pass. Even so, it's better than nothing. Whether or not that makes Obama anything more than a mediocre President is another matter. At least he's finally scored 2/10 which is 2 more than his predecessor ever managed! it was not obama. the problem is the 30+ idiots that call themselves democrats who voted with the obstructionists. the lunatic fringe successfully pretended that the miniscule number of the deluded and irrational who attended the so called tea parties actually amounted to something, and the cowards backed down. the ONLY legitimate solution is of course a government option. EVERYONE with an iq above forty, and the sense to use it, supports the government option, since it would provide coverage for everyone at a realistic cost. it would force the insurance companies to provide healthcare at a fraction of the cost people are now paying, or cease to exist, which is a side benefit. unfortunately though, the right wing lunatic fringe's preaching that corporate profits are more important than human lives scared the cowards
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Post by trubble on Mar 22, 2010 17:52:27 GMT
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Post by beth on Mar 22, 2010 17:57:31 GMT
The American Legion is a far right org. as it stands today. The suggestion was only meant for those with private insurance, not those who depend on gov assisted med insurance. Otherwise (and this is meant with great affection and a touch of humor) - Lin, we know by now that you don't like Obama. I'm always startled to see almost every post you make in relation to this subject start with that declaration. Clemie, I empathize. I have a pet with a chronic medical condition, too. So far, he's on an injection every quarter, but can only have one more of those and the next step is an inhaler at $148. a month. Otherwise - Jim's right.
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Post by trubble on Mar 22, 2010 18:05:01 GMT
That reminds me of how SCUM "Savior" has also HID from the survivors of the 9/11 victims after Charlie Sheen pleaded with him to just give him (Sheen) 20 minutes of his time. He didn't even have the COURTESY to ANSWER Sheen. Sheen...victims...I was confused about this so have had to google it and you mean the 9/11 conspiracy theory thing, right? Sheen wants Obama to admit that they weren't really planes that flew into the twin towers... I wouldn't want to meet Sheen if I was Obama either. The President of America doesn't have time to meet all the alien abductees in the country.
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Post by trubble on Mar 22, 2010 18:14:49 GMT
It doesn't disturb you that Obama even CONSIDERED such an evil thing? Just wondering. I heard the president of the American Legion interviewed about this last year and he was furious that it was EVEN BROUGHT UP. I agree 100%. I gather that was the general concensus. That Obama heard the first feedback on Tuesday and had dropped the whole thing by Thursday testifies to his commitment and ability to HEAR what the people are saying. That's 100% good. I think Obama and his advisors were short sighted on this particular idea - and it was wrong - but considering every option is not evil and the main problem with the idea was not transferral of costs but the fact that private companies will try every trick in the book not to pay out. Now that's what I call evil.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 22, 2010 18:44:04 GMT
That reminds me of how SCUM "Savior" has also HID from the survivors of the 9/11 victims after Charlie Sheen pleaded with him to just give him (Sheen) 20 minutes of his time. He didn't even have the COURTESY to ANSWER Sheen. Sheen...victims...I was confused about this so have had to google it and you mean the 9/11 conspiracy theory thing, right? Sheen wants Obama to admit that they weren't really planes that flew into the twin towers... I wouldn't want to meet Sheen if I was Obama either. The President of America doesn't have time to meet all the alien abductees in the country. yeah. unfortunately, our dear laura is enthralled by the tin foil hat brigade. a few of the complaints that she has about obama are legitimate though. the thing is, the bad doesn't negate the good, and no intelligent person would deny that, whatever his faults, he's a million times better than dumbya could ever hope to be
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