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Post by Big Lin on Jul 11, 2011 22:43:56 GMT
anna posted.:-I understand in the UK a fag is a cigarette too, but in the US it's also an insult for male homosexuals. Toby comments.;- It is a shortened version of Faggott. I have no idea where Faggott originated but if I were asked to hazard a guess, I would say Haight-Ashbury in San Francisco. I think it comes from the Yiddish word "faygeleh" meaning homosexual.
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Post by Lauren on Jul 11, 2011 22:45:18 GMT
It's reasonable to be critical of the "happily ever after" in all fairy tales. I'm sorry for your difficult childhood. Life is not a fairy tale, but I truly hope you don't regret coming to this world! We have to move forward and stay in the light. Well, of course there is no such thing as happily ever after, at least in the fairy tale sense, but I am sure, there are people today, regardless if they are gay or straight, that have found someone that makes them really happy, and that is good enough for me to believe that no matter what your sexual orientation is, there is someone out there for you. So what if it's a Prince and a Princess, or a Prince and a Prince, or a Princess and a Princess. To me, the only thing that book is saying is that the Prince found someone he truly loves. Why can't we be happy for him? Why aren't we allowed to let kids be happy for him? I mean, would you rather the kids be read Beauty and the Beast, which is basically depicting an abusive monster?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 12, 2011 0:40:00 GMT
Hi Novak! I certainly do understand the love a parent feels for their child. I'm just saying that I don't understand a parent, who wouldn't use his/her parential influence tip the scales in favor of a heterosexual development for his/her child, if the child is wavering between heterosexuality and homosexuality. Why is it only heterosexual couples - in general - fear the need to enforce their sexuality preferences on their offspring? Since I live in Canada, I know many homosexual couples with children, and you know what sexual development preferences those parents preach to their kids? NONE. If their kids are straight, they are happy for them. If their kids are gay, they are happy for them. In the end, you are who you are, and you love whom you love. No amount of parenting can influence that. Dearest Novak, Enforce is the wrong word! Influence is the right word! A good parent wants to influence their child to be successful in school and have moral principles. Avoid dangerous stuff drugs, violence, be careful around streets, etc. etc..
From my observations and experiences homosexuality is a compromised life style. I wouldn't love anyone less because they're that way, but I do feel a little sorry for homosexuals.
I don't believe the self destructive tendencies in many homosexuals are the result of society's attitudes. I admit there are well adjusted homosexuals too. There are exceptional people in all groups. Parents shouldn't reject their child because of homosexuality, but it's quite OK to try to influence-not force- their child to develope heterosexually.
You obviously believe all homosexuals are born that way. I tend to believe that parential influence can play a role.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 12, 2011 0:51:20 GMT
It's reasonable to be critical of the "happily ever after" in all fairy tales. I'm sorry for your difficult childhood. Life is not a fairy tale, but I truly hope you don't regret coming to this world! We have to move forward and stay in the light. Well, of course there is no such thing as happily ever after, at least in the fairy tale sense, but I am sure, there are people today, regardless if they are gay or straight, that have found someone that makes them really happy, and that is good enough for me to believe that no matter what your sexual orientation is, there is someone out there for you. So what if it's a Prince and a Princess, or a Prince and a Prince, or a Princess and a Princess. To me, the only thing that book is saying is that the Prince found someone he truly loves. Why can't we be happy for him? Why aren't we allowed to let kids be happy for him? I mean, would you rather the kids be read Beauty and the Beast, which is basically depicting an abusive monster? True! "Beauty and the Beast" isn't one of my favorites, but it's understood to be pure phantasy. A prince is put under a spell that changes him to a monster and only the love of a princess can change him back to a prince. In feel life I suppose many women are stuck in abusive relationships and still hope that the monster can be changed into a prince. Guys also get stuck in this phantasy! Children usually understand a fairy tale with "magic" is pure fiction and we can all pretend to be changed or change someone by magic, but real life needs real work and some things are unchangable![/color]
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 12, 2011 1:02:08 GMT
Hi Novak! I certainly do understand the love a parent feels for their child. I'm just saying that I don't understand a parent, who wouldn't use his/her parential influence tip the scales in favor of a heterosexual development for his/her child, if the child is wavering between heterosexuality and homosexuality. I don't get why you think sexuality has to be an absolute or defined for life! Who you are attracted to is just that, who you are attracted to. Why do you feel compelled to label or to force your children to out themselves as one or the other? My parents kept out of my sex life - and quite right too! Really June, Parents have more real life experience than children. A little parential input can be very helpful. Don't you think there's something deadbeat about parents, who just accept everything silently and passively. What about a child, who thinks he/she is born to be a prostitute or a drug addict?
Parents can't force their children to avoid certain life styles, but they can be a good influence to help them avoid "dark places".
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Post by Lauren on Jul 12, 2011 6:09:11 GMT
Dearest Novak, Enforce is the wrong word! Influence is the right word! A good parent wants to influence their child to be successful in school and have moral principles. Avoid dangerous stuff drugs, violence, be careful around streets, etc. etc.. Just so we are clear: Influence: A child born to a heterosexual couple is influenced by their parents heterosexuality to be in a heterosexual relationship. Enforce: A parent, who notices their child may be homosexual, and still pushing them towards heterosexuality. I'm glad to know you would not treat a person as less then because of their sexuality. But I don't see how homosexuals live compromised lives. Any one has the potential to live a compromised life. And I feel sorry for them too, but I think our reasons differ. I feel sorry for them because other people think they aren't people, or are immoral, or whatever because of their sexual orientation. Self destructive tendencies are present in all groups, not just homosexuals. [/color][/size][/quote] Parental influence or enforcement can lead to a lot of people having fear to come out, and stay in the proverbial closet, only giving the illusion that they are straight.
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Post by june on Jul 12, 2011 6:32:32 GMT
Anna The parenting you describe sounds oppressive and dominating at best, at worst it just sounds plain nuts! I pity any child raised that way, they must have a sackfull of issues. I don't get why you think sexuality has to be an absolute or defined for life! Who you are attracted to is just that, who you are attracted to. Why do you feel compelled to label or to force your children to out themselves as one or the other? My parents kept out of my sex life - and quite right too! Really June, Parents have more real life experience than children. A little parential input can be very helpful. Don't you think there's something deadbeat about parents, who just accept everything silently and passively. What about a child, who thinks he/she is born to be a prostitute or a drug addict?
Parents can't force their children to avoid certain life styles, but they can be a good influence to help them avoid "dark places".
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 30, 2011 3:48:58 GMT
A prelude to mandatory pro homosexual fairy tales for school children is apparently the legalisation of same sex marriage. The video sums this up very simply and understandably!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 4, 2011 16:21:56 GMT
I'm glad to see parents in Canada protesting the mandatory homosexual fairy tales for school children!www.calgaryherald.com/life/straight+goods+gender+bending+curriculum/5481347/story.html QUOTE: The straight goods on gender-bending curriculum
By Susan Martinuk, Calgary Herald September 30, 2011 The Toronto District School Board obviously concurs with Abraham Lincoln. That's why the board, which has never been shy to advocate for the social changes it has deemed necessary for society, is now offering students a gender-bending/genderchallenging curriculum that is to be integrated into all subject areas from kindergarten to Grade 12. Challenging Homophobia and Heterosexism is meant to provide "instructional strategies, curriculum connections, programs, presenters/speakers, performances, community organization contact information, titles of print and video resources, and websites to educators, administrators and school communities K-12 across the TDSB." But no one is being fooled. The title makes its real purpose clear - to normalize all sexual choices in the minds of young children and to demonize any who fail to buy into this broad social experiment. The guide even states that it is meant to be "a powerful tool for social change." The problem is large numbers of parents aren't getting on board and are, instead, rising up to fight against implementation of the curriculum. Full page ads have appeared in newspapers under the banner headlines, "I'm a girl. Don't teach me to question if I'm a boy, transsexual, transgendered, intersexed or twospirited." (Two-spirited refers to an individual who houses apparently both a masculine and feminine spirit.) You can already see how inappropriate this curriculum will be for the six-and under crowd who just want to play and take a nap. Instead, they'll be reading titles like Gloria Goes to Gay Pride or flipping through The Boy in the Dress. There will still be time for fairy tales - but once they hit Grade 3, they will be encouraged to rewrite their own gender-bending versions. When not rewriting stories, they will be studying from Are You a Boy or a Girl? and rethinking their sexual orientation. A disturbing aspect of the curriculum is the focus on gay pride parades. Children are encouraged to search for pictures from recent parades, print them out and share them with their class. They can even make posters for the school board float that is part of the annual parade/spectacle.
Those who are familiar with what goes on at gay pride parades will instantly recognize the problem - especially with children conducting an Internet search for images. Some websites have sanitized versions of the costumes and activities, but others reflect the full reality of what these parades have become.
Go ahead, Google it. Children will see people wearing underwear (at best), bizarre lingerie and a host of outfits with naked rear ends. They'll also be exposed to the concept of threesomes, orgies and sado-masochism. Parents' heads will spin as they recall Desi repeatedly telling Lucy, "You've got a lot of 'splainin' to do."This guide is mistaken in its blanket assumption that it can teach as normal conduct what generations of philosophical, religious and cultural traditions have taught as unacceptable. For example, same-sex marriage may be legal, but that doesn't necessarily translate into broad social support for the concept. Most same-sex marriage polls still hover around the 50 per cent mark for acceptance by the Canadian public. Nor is it reasonable for public schools to examine every subject with an emphasis on the sexual practices of individuals. Rather, it's the ultimate in revisionist history to define its players by their sexuality and to assume that their sexual proclivities played a major role in determining their contributions to history. Sadly, it is no longer enough to teach students that all human beings are created equal and deserving of the same rights, privileges and respect. Or that equality is independent of what people believe or their sexual acts. Instead, they will learn that one's identity is limited to one's sexuality, and that will do nothing to build bridges of acceptance among those who are different.Overall, the curriculum amounts to a governmentendorsed sexual exploitation of young children. Teaching children tolerance (accepting something you don't like for the good of society) is very different from teaching them they must actively promote, or refrain from the legitimate criticism of, certain practices. It's time for public schools to get out of the social activism arena and focus on providing kids with the real educational tools that they need to succeed.Susan Martinuk's column appears every second Friday.
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Post by Lauren on Oct 4, 2011 17:16:02 GMT
A prelude to mandatory pro homosexual fairy tales for school children is apparently the legalisation of same sex marriage. I would hold merit to the argument that legalizing gay marriage would have dire consequences to school aged children who read about two princes getting married, if schools did not read beauty and the beast to children, which they do, which not only depicts an abusive relationship, but also beastality (when someone loves animals in the romantic/sexual way). But since the beast is originally a man, and beauty is a woman, I guess that message is okay. So, thank you elementry school, for teaching me it's okay to be abused by a man....
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A prelude to mandatory pro homosexual fairy tales for school children is apparently the legalisation of same sex marriage. I would hold merit to the argument that legalizing gay marriage would have dire consequences to school aged children who read about two princes getting married, if schools did not read beauty and the beast to children, which they do, which not only depicts an abusive relationship, but also beastality (when someone loves animals in the romantic/sexual way). But since the beast is originally a man, and beauty is a woman, I guess that message is okay. So, thank you elementry school, for teaching me it's okay to be abused by a man.... Dearest Lauren! The faery tale "The Beauty and the Beast" is about a princess, who frees a prince from a hideous spell cast by a witch which turned him into a beast! It's not about an abusive heterosexual relationship. It is pure fiction and fantasy and very unlike the dull, graphic "King and King", etc. which has absolutely no element of fantasy, magical powers or imagination!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 8, 2015 20:06:45 GMT
Again the pro homosexual "King & King fairy tale which mocks women as partners for men is being read to 3rd Graders. www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/civilities-a-grandma-asks-about-our-rights-after-a-gay-story-is-read-in-class/2015/06/05/c31a5136-0b8f-11e5-a7ad-b430fc1d3f5c_story.htmlCivilities: A grandma asks about ‘our rights’ after a gay story is read in classJune 5, 2015 Q: I am a grandmother of children attending Efland-Cheeks Elementary School [in North Carolina], and I heard a third-grade teacher recently read a book focusing on homosexuality to his class. We were told the book was read because a student was bullied. I read the book, called “King & King,” which had nothing about bullying and appeared aimed at indoctrinating children into a gay agenda. The prince is attracted to a man. They get married and kiss on the mouth. The book wants young children to believe this is normal. The concept of homosexuality is foreign to the majority of children eight years old. I am a Christian, and my faith does not support homosexuality. I think that parents should have been notified before the book was read and that the teacher should be reprimanded. But school officials said that they won’t ban this book and that it didn’t violate anyone’s rights. What about our rights? – Name withheld, Burlington, N.C. A: I can see why you’re upset, without conceding that your rights are being infringed on. In fact, Efland is not far from my house, and it’s known to be a deeply religious community. In large part because of religion, acceptance of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people lags in the South, where nearly 4 in 10 parents said that they would be “uncomfortable” if their child had a class on LGBT history, according to a recent GLAAD survey. When I drove through the area last week, I counted eight churches, including Fairview Baptist (but more about that in a bit). Change is coming to Efland, as it is to all of North Carolina. Same-sex marriage is now legal, and Efland’s population is diversifying as new residents move in. Some of them are same-sex couples who send their own kids to the school where this controversy erupted. So it’s not true that homosexuality is foreign to third-graders; your grandkids may very well have classmates with gay parents. But what happened? The third-grade teacher Omar Currie said that when he picked up his students several weeks ago from their gym class, two of them were crying — one, a girl, who was upset by what she had seen happen to the other, a boy. They told Currie that another boy had called him “gay” and “a girl” — as in “Hey, girl, throw me the ball.” Rather than punish the bully, Currie, who says he is gay, borrowed the fairy tale “King and King” by Linda de Haan and Stern Nijland from the assistant principal — a book used in the school previously, without incident — to read to the class. I’ve read it, and it’s a sweet story, with big, bright pictures, about acceptance, inclusion and love. The last line reads, like just about every other in the genre: “And they lived happily ever after.” A sign outside the Efland-Cheeks Elementary School, North Carolina, where third-grade teacher Omar Currie read "King and King," a fairy tale where two princes fall in love, to his class. (Steven Petrow/The Washington Post) Currie told me that a few students said they were “uncomfortable” because they’d never seen two men marry or kiss each other. But overall, Currie says, “the kids told me that the book is about treating others the way they want to be treated.” More importantly, he says, there hasn’t been anymore name-calling since he read it. Among the students, that is. There has been plenty among parents and other adults, including one who commented on one Web site: “Keep the filth out of the schools. GOD teach’s it’s wrong and no gay freak needs to be teaching children it’s o.k. [sic]” Books, though, can be powerful “change agents” says John Claude Bemis, a prominent children’s book author. “Reading stories is a powerful experience. Where else in life do we have this unique opportunity to see the world through someone else’s eyes? So if we want our children to be empathetic, to be kind, we need to expose them to a wide variety of perspectives.” “The question is, ‘How do we teach empathy to our students?’ ” Sharon Wheeler, a retired North Carolina guidance counselor, told me. And that’s exactly the right question, regardless of which side of the fence you’re on, because LGBT students are not the only ones being bullied. Students who are African American, have special needs, or, yes, even are Christian all may find themselves in a bully’s cross hairs. Eliza Byard, executive director of GLSEN, the Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network, said that their survey, Playgrounds and Prejudice, reports that 75 percent of elementary school kids said that “students at their school are called names, made fun of or bullied with . . . regularity.” If three-quarters of our kids are being taunted at this age, who can’t be in favor of teaching empathy? As for “King and King,” school officials have voted twice now to allow the book in the classroom. Some dissatisfied parents are appealing that decision, which is their right, of course. While driving home from the school the other night, I noticed Fairview Baptist’s roadside sign, which I think deserves the final word on this matter: “Let your faith be bigger than your fear.” Agree or disagree with my advice? Let me know in the comments below. E-mail questions to stevenpetrow@earthlink.net. Follow him on Twitter: @stevenpetrow. Join him for an online chat 1 p.m. June 16 at live.washingtonpost.com. 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Post by kronks on Jun 9, 2015 4:18:46 GMT
This does not sound right to me, the kids seem too young for starters, if they are to address bullying they should address bullying in general.
But I really don't know, it would never have crossed my mind that there would be such a book for children.
I can certainly understand the grandma being upset.
It certainly would not have been in my school when I was growing up, that is for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 14:12:56 GMT
I think this needs to be kept out of the classroom.
I can understand teaching kids the very basics, as well as, hygiene education, but that is about it.
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 10, 2015 19:24:20 GMT
At eight years old it's not right to be teaching this kind of stuff in school.
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Post by blc on Jun 10, 2015 20:21:27 GMT
At eight years old it's not right to be teaching this kind of stuff in school. I agree. At that age they are still trying to learn good study habits and discipline for getting to school on time and their seats on time. They don't need to be burdened with such topics at that age.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 24, 2015 21:49:10 GMT
www.takepart.com/article/2015/06/22/omar-currie-gay-teacher-resigned QUOTE: This Teacher Read a Gay Fairy Tale to Third Graders—Then Resigned Under Pressure Omar Currie, an openly gay teacher, wanted to drive a conversation about bullying and inclusion at a rural North Carolina school.Jun 22, 2015 Earlier this year, Omar Currie, a third-grade teacher in North Carolina, noticed one of his male students being teased by a group of boys. “They were saying, ‘Hey, girl, throw me the ball! Hey, woman, come over here,’ ” Currie, 25, recalled in an interview with TakePart. Some of the boys called his student “gay.” Currie quickly identified the incident as a case of bullying. To teach the kids a lesson, he gathered his Efland-Cheeks Elementary School students in a classroom and began to read King and King—a children’s fairy tale depicting two princes who marry. Soon, however, Currie resigned. Related Same-Sex Marriage Gains Record-Breaking Support From Americans Currie’s story is the latest flash point in the debate over how young people should be taught about bullying and lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender issues. Eight states prohibit or restrict the discussion of LGBT issues in public schools. Alabama requires teachers to say “homosexuality is not a lifestyle acceptable to the general public.” In South Carolina, instruction “may not include a discussion of alternate sexual lifestyles from heterosexual relationships”—unless the topic is sexually transmitted diseases. Arizona public school districts cannot include study that “promotes a homosexual lifestyle.” North Carolina does not have such a policy. Currie had long dreamed of a teaching career. In high school, he noticed that many black students weren’t enrolled in honors or Advanced Placement classes. So he studied education at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill with a goal of developing high-performing students—especially people of color. Eventually, he moved to the rural community of Efland, a racially diverse city of barely 700 people. He was hired as a teacher at Efland-Cheeks Elementary School. Currie says that during his job interview, he disclosed to school administrators that he was gay. “Anyone who has a conversation with me for more than five minutes is going to have a pretty good idea that I am gay,” he recalls saying. “So when a family comes and has an issue with that, I want to know, how are you going to deal with it?” Currie says the administrators who interviewed him—who are no longer with the district—said they’d fully support him. He says he was introduced to King and King in college. One day last spring, he borrowed the book from the office of an assistant principal at the school. The book had apparently been approved by a school committee. (School officials did not return a call seeking comment.) The students initially reacted well to the book and a subsequent conversation about alleged bullying. That evening, however, Currie received a call from a school administrator saying a parent had complained about the book. The next day, Currie says, administrators told him that he should have followed the school’s “controversial topics” policy, which requires teachers to inform parents about plans to read material related to LGBT issues. Under that policy, parents may choose to have their children leave the classroom when such issues are discussed. Currie says he took issue with that directive because some of the children in his class live in families led by same-sex couples. “I thought it was very dangerous for us to be naming families that are in our schools as controversial,” he told TakePart. Soon, there was a public meeting to discuss the book. One parent said Currie was pushing a gay agenda. The man pulled his child out of school in protest. The Efland-Cheeks principal, Kiley Brown, sent Currie a letter about the alleged student bullying. The letter read, in part: “Though the behavior was concerning and warranted attention, we determined, based on the information you provided, that the behaviors you described did not rise to the level of harassment and bullying” under the school’s policy. Earlier this month, Currie resigned, saying he believed school officials did not support him. Currie doesn’t regret reading the book to his students. He’s looking for another teaching job. “I hope that in the next job I take, I feel more comfortable and more prepared to deal with issues around bullying that take place in my classroom,” he says. He wants teachers in Efland to “feel safe and feel like they understand the policy and the plan for dealing with these issues in the classroom.” DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) Big Lin iamjumbo @menantol mikemarshall blc
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