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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 20, 2010 19:13:32 GMT
you really need to get over your fantasy that we don't already know the evil that has been destroying society for the past forty years or so. we only need look around at the lunacy that the imbecillic notion of political correctness has wrought to see it. of course it is not just gays. that is simply a symptom of the deeper evil. unfortunately, you are correct on the one point. as society degenerates more and more, ever more people will be sucked into the idiocy. Yes. God darn those PC types, with their evil tolerance and understanding. hey. i'm glad you finally got it right. still, just why do you think that we should be tolerant of pedophiles?
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 20, 2010 19:15:38 GMT
Well, Iamjumbo...with 118 whose names you can remember + those you can't you must have spent an awful lot of time praying....or did you arrange a job lot with God? If so, did you qualify for a discount (10 fewer Our Fathers for bulk praying perhaps?) can't. i'm still doing it
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 20, 2010 19:17:56 GMT
Of course, ''The Frog Prince'' has swayed many a nice kid to thoughts of bestiality. That is why I support the banning of it in schools. Think of the damage to the school hamster! naw. the boys were too busy thinking about nailing the princess. of course, in later years, your theory developed into the donkey act at the blue fox in tijuana
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Post by randomvioce on Jan 20, 2010 19:18:54 GMT
you really need to get over your fantasy that we don't already know the evil that has been destroying society for the past forty years or so. What are you on mate? Homosexuals are helping to destroy society? How exactly? What are these gays doing that has brought down society? Wearing brightly coloured clothes and singing show tunes? What? we only need look around at the lunacy that the imbecillic notion of political correctness has wrought to see it. What on Earth are you talking about? unfortunately, you are correct on the one point. as society degenerates more and more, ever more people will be sucked into the idiocy. You do not have a rational thought in your mind, do you? All you appear to do is repeat the same claptrap different ways. All you do is tell us that these people are evil and/or degenerate. But that is as far as it goes with you. Repeating this over and over proves nothing. Can you give us a reason why you think gays are 'evil' in a way that I could recognise as such. Not 'unnatural' or 'different', 'unusual' or anything like that, but 'evil' in the way an educated person would use the term?
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Post by randomvioce on Jan 20, 2010 19:22:28 GMT
poland had tolerance and understanding for germany in 1939. ask them WTF is that about? You have seriously lost the plot now, laddie. I am trying to get my head round what you can possibly mean by this, but nope, your logic escapes me. Go on, expand that into something interesting.
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Post by randomvioce on Jan 20, 2010 19:24:11 GMT
of course he can, butr it is a sin which he must ask forgiveness for in order to be a christian And a gay man who sleeps with a hundred men? Ask for forgiveness and he is in? If not what is the difference?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jan 20, 2010 19:35:09 GMT
The PC agenda people are interested in promoting "tolerance"and"understanding"
Yes, those freaks with “their tolerance and understanding” these people are really beyond the pale. Get a grip, Anna! How could anyone possibly object to teaching ‘tolerance and understanding’? Who sits there and says ‘the kids are learning and understanding!!!! String the teacher up!’ Good grief! You people need to sit over this side and get a laughs at yourself! Yes, so? That is true, children CAN and in many cases, DO develop into homosexuals. Why is wrong to explain that to children? Promoting and suggesting? How? Who is going to consider a gay lifestyle if they are straight? If there is a widespread hatred of left-handed people and a general failure to fully accept them into society then we would need books like that. There are books for children designed to explain divorce, bereavement, single parent families, adoption, step brothers-sisters-parents, even hospital stays and a whole lot of difficult aspects of life. What is your bottom line here? Are you somehow trying to suggest that these books could drive children into being homosexual? That is total clown shoes Anna! It tells us all we need to know about the mentality of the anti gay lobby. One minute we are told the being straight is the normal default, hardwired into every fibre of our being, the next, we are told that being straight is so fragile that it can be totally wiped out by a book!!!!! Tell me Anna, how did the likes of Frankie Howard, John Inman and Kenny Everett manage to get turned gay despite never having read a single gay fairy tale? Dearest RV, I don't believe your claim that the pro cent of children, who develope into homosexuals would remain exactly the same, if the pro homosexual lobby and these PC popes are allowed to portray homosexuality as preferable to heterosexuality as the K&K fairy tale does.
You have to admit that advertizing cigarettes increases the number of cigarette smokers, especially among the young and impressionable! No one is driven into become a cigarette smoker either! How can you claim that a "homosexual development" is the ONLY thing advertizement can't promote? [/color][/size][/b] We want healthy education for children and not unhealthy indoctrination and propaganda for lonely anti-family life styles! How gave you the right to call anything ‘unhealthy indoctrination and propaganda’? What is ‘unhealthy’ about explaining to children that homosexuals exists and how are children being indoctrinated and what part of this is propaganda? Anti family? How can this book be called ‘anti family’? Surely if people are gay they can still be part of a family? Homosexuals live on the average at least 10 years less than "straight people". It has nothing to do with persecution! They have less family obligations, if any. No children to send through college. They can spend more time and money on themselves as single people do.
We should show tolerance and support towards the mainstream form of development! Heterosexuality, Marriage and Family Life! This devolopment should be the focus of education. Heterosexual people, who marry and have children have many more responsibilities than homosexuals! Educating children isn't easy.
If the number of homosexually orientated students becomes large enough they could have their own classes, which focus on their choice in life. Why sidetrack all students for this pro homosexual agenda stuff?? Sure we don't want homosexuals bullied or beat up, BUT we don't need to rub every developing child's nose in pro homosexuality literature!
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 20, 2010 19:39:26 GMT
poland had tolerance and understanding for germany in 1939. ask them WTF is that about? You have seriously lost the plot now, laddie. I am trying to get my head round what you can possibly mean by this, but nope, your logic escapes me. Go on, expand that into something interesting. you, well actually it was rg, but you are running the same rubbish, are going off about tolerance and understanding. i never brought that lunacy up. since you are slow though, the simple fact is that poland had tolerance and understanding for germany in 1939. you have tolerance and understanding for assorted evils now. it is a FACT that those who refuse to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it. good luck
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 20, 2010 19:46:19 GMT
you really need to get over your fantasy that we don't already know the evil that has been destroying society for the past forty years or so. What are you on mate? Homosexuals are helping to destroy society? How exactly? What are these gays doing that has brought down society? Wearing brightly coloured clothes and singing show tunes? What? What on Earth are you talking about? unfortunately, you are correct on the one point. as society degenerates more and more, ever more people will be sucked into the idiocy. You do not have a rational thought in your mind, do you? All you appear to do is repeat the same claptrap different ways. All you do is tell us that these people are evil and/or degenerate. But that is as far as it goes with you. Repeating this over and over proves nothing. Can you give us a reason why you think gays are 'evil' in a way that I could recognise as such. Not 'unnatural' or 'different', 'unusual' or anything like that, but 'evil' in the way an educated person would use the term? i told you that "tolerance" of homosexuality was just one symptom. i was referring to the general regression of society that has transpired over the past forty years, of which, acceptance of homosexuality is only a small part. i was talking about the degeneration as a whole
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 20, 2010 19:48:21 GMT
of course he can, butr it is a sin which he must ask forgiveness for in order to be a christian And a gay man who sleeps with a hundred men? Ask for forgiveness and he is in? If not what is the difference? absolutely. of course, it wouldn't happen since gays don't think they're doing anything wrong, so, by the time they get it right, it's too late
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Post by randomvioce on Jan 20, 2010 19:56:25 GMT
The simple fact is that poland had tolerance and understanding for germany in 1939. Did they? Did they really, Jumbo? So when the Germans flooded the border in APCs, tanks and waves of troops and aircraft, the Poles shown 'tolerance and understanding', did they! And that is a 'simple fact' is it? You don't think your statement is a little glib then? You don't think that you are straining to make an idiotic point and using hyperbole, do you? The invasion of Poland was down to tolerance and understanding, eh! Clown shoes! it is a FACT that those who refuse to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it. good luck Yeah, like if we allow gays to get jobs and walk down the streets without getting seven shades kicked out of them, they will repay us by building death camps! Get real!
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 20, 2010 20:27:51 GMT
The simple fact is that poland had tolerance and understanding for germany in 1939. Did they? Did they really, Jumbo? So when the Germans flooded the border in APCs, tanks and waves of troops and aircraft, the Poles shown 'tolerance and understanding', did they! And that is a 'simple fact' is it? You don't think your statement is a little glib then? You don't think that you are straining to make an idiotic point and using hyperbole, do you? The invasion of Poland was down to tolerance and understanding, eh! Clown shoes! it is a FACT that those who refuse to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it. good luck Yeah, like if we allow gays to get jobs and walk down the streets without getting seven shades kicked out of them, they will repay us by building death camps! Get real! unlike you, when i go camping, i am smart enough to not invite the rattlesnakes and cougars to come on into my slleping bag, and have the sense to take the necessary precautions to keep them out. YOUR brand of tolerance and understanding is called appeasement, which is guaranteed to destroy you. damm, you're smoking better shyt than i ever had. what led to your hallucination about anyone not wanting to allow gays to have jobs or be free from violence? if i were you, i'd ditch the pipe, soon
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Post by randomvioce on Jan 20, 2010 20:36:36 GMT
Dearest RV, I don't believe your claim that the pro cent of children, who develope into homosexuals would remain exactly the same, if the pro homosexual lobby and these PC popes are allowed to portray homosexuality as preferable to heterosexuality as the K&K fairy tale does.
I have not made any claim of that nature. The evidence suggests that homosexuality is inate, no-one is going to become a homosexual just because they read a book! How could that be? Everything I have read on the subject points to sexuality being hard wired, instinct driven, so how could that be changed via reading a book. Given that homosexuality goes back to long before the existence of these books, gay bars and the 'PC' brigade gone mAAAAAd!!!! then it is pretty obvious that something other than pro gay lobbys are at work here. What evidence do you have to suggest the more people who read that book the more homosexuals we will have? Where in this book was homosexuality shown to be preferable to hetrosexuality?
You have to admit that advertizing cigarettes increases the number of cigarette smokers, especially among the young and impressionable! No one is driven into become a cigarette smoker either! How can you claim that a "homosexual development" is the ONLY thing advertizement can't promote? [/color][/size][/b] [/color][/size][/b] [/quote] We are not talking about smoking, we are talking about human sexuality, I cannot believe that something so fundimental as sex is as easy to change as smoking brands. I cannot believe that George Micheal who had women falling at his feet during the eighties and could have his pick of young women at the time was somehow twisted into a gay, merely by been given a book showing gays to be perferable. There is something deeper going on there. Homosexuals live on the average at least 10 years less than "straight people". It has nothing to do with persecution! They have less family obligations, if any. No children to send through college. They can spend more time and money on themselves as single people do.
So? How does teaching children about the existence of homosexuality become anti family? In what way does explaining the facts about this subject mean there would less families?
Heterosexual people, who marry and have children have many more responsibilities than homosexuals! Educating children isn't easy.
So what? Are you trying to suggest that if we do not teach children of the existence of homosexuality, it will go away? Please try and understand this simple concept. We have had homosexuality in our culture since BEFORE the birth of Christ! It has been a part of our culture for at least two thousand years! We has attacked imprisoned and executed gays during that time. It has been a serious crime and men have became outcast because of it. Despite all of this, it has been part of our culture. You now think that stopping teaching children will make it end. CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY IF IT IS MERELY THE WITHDRAWING OF TEACHING CHILDREN WOULD STOP GAYS FROM EXISTING, WHY DID THAT STRATEGY NOT WORK FOR THE PREVIOUS TWO THOUSAND YEARS!!!!!!!! If the number of homosexually orientated students becomes large enough they could have their own classes, which focus on their choice in life. [/color][/size][/b] [/quote] It is not just homosexuals that need teaching about life, it is everyone, gay and straight. Homosexuality is part of general studies. Straight people have to learn that gays are normal people and are the same as everyone else and deserve respect. Sure we don't want homosexuals bullied or beat up, BUT we don't need to rub every developing child's nose in pro homosexuality literature! [/color][/size][/b] [/quote] What is 'pro homosexuality literature' here? This book merely tries to show young children that homosexuaility EXISTS. How is that pro 'gay'?
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Post by randomvioce on Jan 20, 2010 20:46:13 GMT
unlike you, when i go camping, i am smart enough to not invite the rattlesnakes and cougars to come on into my slleping bag, and have the sense to take the necessary precautions to keep them out. Unlike me? What do you mean? Like I think rattle snakes and cougars are great in sleeping bags! What kind of nonsense is that? your analogies are getting more and more idiotic and your posts are even more erratic. What point are you trying to make now? YOUR brand of tolerance and understanding is called appeasement, which is guaranteed to destroy you. Appeasement? What appeasement? Go on, I would like to hear this. And destroy me? How? In what way is this going to kill me us all? It is not like gays are going to drop a bomb or anything. They are not hoarding Urianium for a dirty bomb are they?
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 20, 2010 20:47:25 GMT
once again laddie, NO ONE, except you, has ever mentioned homosexuality not existing for thousands of years. that's because that has NO relevance to the subject whatsoever. EVERYONE knows that homos exist.
What is 'pro homosexuality literature' here? This book merely tries to show young children that homosexuaility EXISTS. How is that pro 'gay'?
don't be so dense. it is not merely showing them that homosexuality exists. it is trying to teach them that it is acceptable, which obviously, it is NOT
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Post by randomvioce on Jan 20, 2010 21:00:15 GMT
once again laddie, NO ONE, except you, has ever mentioned homosexuality not existing for thousands of years. that's because that has NO relevance to the subject whatsoever. EVERYONE knows that homos exist. We are being told that teaching children about homosexuality will lead to more children becomming gay. So, if that is the case, then what prompted people to become gay before this book existed? it is trying to teach them that it is acceptable, which obviously, it is NOT It might not be acceptable to you but for millions of your fellow Americans it is and for millions of schoolchildren it will in the future and NOTHING you do will change that. This book is trying to explain to those who are gay that it is okay, and to those that are not that being gay is no reason to hate people either. Again, you might not agree with homosexuality and wish to see it wiped from the Earth, but that is not going to change the reality that for around 10 % of your population being gay is a fact of life. They cannot be cured nor 'helped' to become straight again, so you guys are going to have to get used to it. People like you never will, but that is no reason to stop trying to reach people.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jan 20, 2010 22:22:35 GMT
www.theevidenceministry.orgDearest RV, Since you consider it impossible for someone to be recruited into homosexuality..THEN..HOW do you explain people, like Charlene Cothran, who freed herself of homosexuality?? How do explain people, who lived as homosexuals for years getting disgusted with this "life style" and going straight??
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Post by randomvioce on Jan 21, 2010 16:35:23 GMT
Dearest RV, Since you consider it impossible for someone to be recruited into homosexuality..THEN..HOW do explain people, like Charlene Cothran, who freed herself of homosexuality?? How do explain people, who lived as homosexuals for years getting disgusted with this "life style" and going straight?? I am quite happy to accept that human sexuality is rather complex and not all black and white. I could believe that there is a spectrum in terms of attraction and in terms of sexual needs. If this woman flirted with the idea of a gay sexuality, and rejected it and stuck to hetrosexuality that is fine by me. If life has changed then I can accept that too. However, I am also happy to accept that there will be people who will never change from being straight or gay and never indugle in any other than their first instinct. All of that is fine in my book. This woman finds herself straight then who can gainsay her? It just goes to show that you are what you are and you cannot be made to one thing when your instincts are for another path.
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Post by jean on Jan 21, 2010 17:26:41 GMT
I am sure that, as RV says, there's a wide spectrum in terms of attraction. But for those at the extremes of the spectrum, it is not so easy to exercise a choice.
I have a close relative who is gay.
When he was 'converted' to a particular branch of Christianity, he came to believe that the physical expression of his sexuality was 'wrong'. But it was not enough to decide not to be homosexual. He was unable to feel for a woman what would be necessary if he was to be fair to her expectations of a marriage.
Not that he hasn't got plenty of women friends - he has, and one or two would have loved to marry him. He is not the sort of gay man some people tell us about whose homosexuality is really just a cover for a deep hatred of women. (I am sure that not a few men both homosexual and heterosexual really don't like women, but I don't believe that's a general rule.)
So he condemned himself to a life of celibacy.
Do you really think he'd have done that it if was so easy to adapt?
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Post by Big Lin on Jan 21, 2010 18:57:26 GMT
Thank you for an excellent post, Jean.
I think there are many 'degrees' of sexual attraction.
Some people are only attracted to the opposite sex and are completely neutral about their own.
Some people are only attracted to their own sex and have a deep hatred of the opposite sex.
Some are only attracted to their own sex but are neutral about the opposite sex.
Some are only attracted to the opposite sex and hate their own sex.
Some are only attracted to the opposite sex and yet hate the opposite sex.
In my experience domestic abusers - men and women - often seem to have a VERY ambiguous attitude towards their OWN gender. I don't know but the three abusers I've known well - two women, one man - all seemed to resent being the sex that they were and both women struck me as closet lesbians and the man struck me as a closet gay.
Usually people who are comfortable with their own sexuality don't turn into abusers or predators.
I know I've said it before but MOST homosexuals and lesbians are NOT paedophiles any more than MOST heterosexuals are.
I find abusers of children equally disgusting whether it's the same sex or the opposite gender they're abusing.
Bisexuals are a bit more of a problem. As someone who I guess could be called one myself, although I've never had any gay relationships since I stopped being a teenager, I do find that they are often confused about their sexuality in general and are often more aggressive than out and out gays or lesbians. I've seen bi men and women treat their partners with a far greater degree of contempt, ridicule and even intimidation than those who don't 'swing both ways.'
Much as I loved my dear murdered lesbian lover, she WAS bi and she WAS a total control freak and she WAS violent, domineering and untrustworthy (not least in lying to me about her boyfriends - I only found out about them once she was dead.)
Maybe I've just been unlucky but I've just found that bis are much more controlling, more likely to lie and more violent in their behaviour than straighforward gays and lesbians.
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