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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 23, 2013 13:24:00 GMT
This is a really excellent video report on the Zimmerman trial.
The facts are detailed here. Shame on the media for distorting the facts in this case.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 24, 2013 3:27:18 GMT
Trayvon's texts which are posted on this video confirm that his mother kicked him out of her home 3 times! You might want to pause the video to read the texts since they are written in the English that Trayvon spoke.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 10:06:52 GMT
two things - one you can't have it both way. just cos zimmerman recently done soemthing good don't mean he didn't do something bad with travyon martin. and just cos travyon had a few minor clashes with authority don't mean he was at fault with zi8mmerman. for what its;' worth a) travyon had NO juvenile rap sheet; b) zimmerman couldn't have known about any stufftryavon had on his facebook or whatever when he went after him.
second thing - i don;'t have a problem with people being watchful or with people using force ifthey think aq crime is being committed. if zimmerman had shot trayvon maritgn while he waqs trying to burlge that's one thing
but he didn't and he was stalking him so that makes zimmerman to blame.,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 10:12:21 GMT
Trayvon's texts which are posted on this video confirm that his mother kicked him out of her home 3 times! You might want to pause the video to read the texts since they are written in the English that Trayvon spoke. so what? that doesn';t make what zimmerman done right~
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Post by Hunny on Jul 24, 2013 14:45:45 GMT
I agree.
And just for the record, because I haven't really taken part in arguing this case: Zimmerman should have been found guilty. I mean if you assault someone and they start beating you in self defense does that give YOU the right to 'stand your ground'? Does an attacker get to shoot in self defense if his victim starts to gain the upper hand?
Zimmerman was the aggressor. I cant see how he could have the right to shoot "in self defense".
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 25, 2013 0:23:41 GMT
After reading a lot of articles on this case, and watching a number of videos, my view is that Zimmerman is innocent and would have been acquitted in almost any court of law.
He was doing his job as a volunteer neighborhood watchman. A suspicious character popped up on his radar. He went to investigate. While investigating, he was attacked. When attacked, he defended himself.
End of story.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 25, 2013 1:14:25 GMT
After reading a lot of articles on this case, and watching a number of videos, my view is that Zimmerman is innocent and would have been acquitted in almost any court of law. He was doing his job as a volunteer neighborhood watchman. A suspicious character popped up on his radar. He went to investigate. While investigating, he was attacked. When attacked, he defended himself. End of story. Not enough police can be hired in bankrupt Detroit, etc. to maintain some semblance of public safety. The time will come when neighborhood watchmen will have the same rights as policemen, if the economy continues to deteriorate.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 25, 2013 1:17:06 GMT
I agree. And just for the record, because I haven't really taken part in arguing this case: Zimmerman should have been found guilty. I mean if you assault someone and they start beating you in self defense does that give YOU the right to 'stand your ground'? Does an attacker get to shoot in self defense if his victim starts to gain the upper hand? Zimmerman was the aggressor. I cant see how he could have the right to shoot "in self defense". Dearest Hunny, What evidence do you have that Zimmerman assaulted Martin? Simply following someone does not constitute an assault or even an act of aggression.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2013 7:50:40 GMT
After reading a lot of articles on this case, and watching a number of videos, my view is that Zimmerman is innocent and would have been acquitted in almost any court of law. He was doing his job as a volunteer neighborhood watchman. A suspicious character popped up on his radar. He went to investigate. While investigating, he was attacked. When attacked, he defended himself. End of story. he should never have been carrying a gun and he should never have approached him imo
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 25, 2013 11:57:37 GMT
Zimmerman was acting like a stalker and a criminal; Martin was simply walking through a neighbourhood.
At least in Britain stalking is a criminal offence; anyone who's been followed by some stranger will know how your immediate reaction is to assume they mean you harm. So Martin did what any other law-abiding citizen would - tried to get away but Zimmerman continued to stalk him.
He then confronted Zimmerman when it became obvious he couldn't get away and that's why he got unlawfully killed.
Martin had NO criminal record and there was NO good reason for Zimmerman to be stalking him.
Zimmerman is the criminal in this case and he OUGHT to be locked up in prison.
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 25, 2013 11:58:13 GMT
Here's a poem I found on a poetry forum I belong to:
Your License to Murder Black Children in Florida is Now Available
by CrowWhisperer
We have some truly wonderful news for all of you gun loving racists down there in the sunny state of Florida. The justice system has finally figured out a way to make it perfectly legal for you to murder innocent young black children. It is called the Stand Your Ground law and allow me to explain how it works with a random hypothetical example. Imagine yourself as a member of a local neighborhood watch group, carrying a loaded and concealed weapon which is completely within your right to do. So, you spot a young black boy walking back home, minding his own business, returning from the market with candy and soda and since it is raining, he is wearing a hoodie. He looks very very very suspicious to you, why? Because he is a black person, of course, and you have never really trusted black people and they have always frightened you to some extent. You decide to phone the police first before you take any aggressive action, but the police tell you not to follow the boy, they will arrive there in a moment or so, they promise. Well now, this is not what you wanted to hear, so fuck that advice from the authorities as you angrily mutter to yourself under your breath, "these fuckers (meaning "n----rs") always get away!" You are extremely furious now, blaming all the crime in your neighborhood on black people, and you step out of your vehicle and start stalking this black child on foot. When you catch up with your intended victim you carefully avoid identifying yourself as a member of the neighborhood watch group because that would immediately relax the situation and you desperately desire a confrontation. The black boy does turn to confront you, "standing his own ground", as it were, the silly child, the laws that protect your rights do not apply equally to black people. Sorry. Now, all you have to do is pull out your gun and shoot this innocent black child to death because the law is on your side, and there will be no prison time whatsoever in your privileged future. Congratulations, you just got away with murder.
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 25, 2013 21:30:17 GMT
Now one of the jurors has spoken out about how she feels that Zimmerman was guilty. www.newser.com/story/171555/minority-juror-zimmerman-got-away-with-murder.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=inbox&utm_campaign=newserMinority Juror: Zimmerman 'Got Away With Murder' BUT SHE SAYS EVIDENCE WASN'T THERE TO CONVICT By John Johnson, Newser Staff Posted Jul 25, 2013 3:51 PM CDT STORY COMMENTS (27) Embed this story (NEWSER) – The lone minority member of George Zimmerman's jury thinks he's a murderer. But she said she couldn't vote to convict because the evidence just wasn't there. As a result, juror B29—she is of Puerto Rican descent and identified only by her first name of "Maddy"—tells Robin Roberts of ABC News that she feels she owes the parents of Trayvon Martin an apology. Some of her quotes from the interview that airs this evening: "You can't put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty. But we had to grab our hearts and put it aside and look at the evidence." "George Zimmerman got away with murder, but you can't get away from God. And at the end of the day, he's going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with. (But) the law couldn't prove it." Maddy says the other jurors were quicker to reach that conclusion. "I was the juror that was going to give them the hung jury. I fought to the end." But she says she realized on the second day of deliberations that there wasn't enough evidence even for a manslaughter conviction. In regard to Martin's parents, she feels "like I let them down" and should apologize. She has eight children of her own and particularly empathizes with the teen's mother. "There's no way that any mother should feel that pain."
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 25, 2013 22:04:50 GMT
Anna said, "Not enough police can be hired in bankrupt Detroit, etc. to maintain some semblance of public safety. The time will come when neighborhood watchmen will have the same rights as policemen, if the economy continues to deteriorate."
Reminds me of this story:
A Jewish Israeli mother is talking with her son on the telephone.
She says to him, "It's terrible here. Bombs are going off all around us. There are shootings in the street every day. I am fearful of letting your sisters walk to school because of the danger here. I'm never going to forgive you for making us move to Detroit."
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 26, 2013 4:31:16 GMT
Zimmerman was acting like a stalker and a criminal; Martin was simply walking through a neighbourhood. At least in Britain stalking is a criminal offence; anyone who's been followed by some stranger will know how your immediate reaction is to assume they mean you harm. So Martin did what any other law-abiding citizen would - tried to get away but Zimmerman continued to stalk him. He then confronted Zimmerman when it became obvious he couldn't get away and that's why he got unlawfully killed. Martin had NO criminal record and there was NO good reason for Zimmerman to be stalking him. Zimmerman is the criminal in this case and he OUGHT to be locked up in prison. Dearest Lin, Stalking is only a criminal offense if it's really stalking. An abusive ex husband with a history of beating and stalking his wife or a violent pedophile with a history of stalking an abusing children with get thrown back in prison for a probation violation, if they continue this pattern.
Where is Zimmerman's "history of stalking" followed by "violent assaults"? If a suspicious person is in your neighborhood you can legally follow that person. Risky perhaps, but not illegal!
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 26, 2013 16:18:57 GMT
It's very simple, Anna..
Zimmerman chose to stalk Martin even though the police told him to leave it to them.
Because of that the young man lay dead.
Even one of the jurors said that she thinks Zimmerman got away with murder.
I wouldn't quite go that far but he was certainly behaving like a criminal and should have been convicted of manslaughter.
Any normal person being pursued without any justification like Martin was by Zimmerman would have reacted like Martin did.
Zimmerman is the criminal and Martin the victim NOT the other way round.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 27, 2013 13:54:59 GMT
For those who did not follow the trial, here is a brief summary, compiled from CBS, CNN, MSNBC, and Al Sharpton's insider news reports: Eighth grade honor student Trayvon Martin is walking home from church, eager to do his homework. Aryan Nation member George Zimmerman is driving around in his pickup truck with Confederate flag license plate and decals. Zimmerman spots Martin in the dark by the light glowing from the little boy’s halo. The Klansman takes chase, hunting Trayvon down like a dog. The budding football star nearly outruns the racist, but he stops when he comes to a “Do Not Enter” sign. Unwilling to disobey a lawful sign, he turns to face his attacker. The child attempts to reason with his attacker, but the illiterate power-mad cop-wannabe is not inclined to listen to reason, or pleas for compassion. Despite numerous specific orders from police officers to not leave his vehicle, Zimmerman exits his truck and says, “Any last words, nigga?” “Praise Jesus. God bless you, Sir,” replies the helpless youngster. Zimmerman drags the future Nobel Peace Prize winner on top of him. A witness sees the youngster repeatedly swinging his arms, apparently attempting to make the sign of the cross. “White-Hispanic Power!” screams Zimmerman, as he empties the high-capacity clip loaded with armor-piercing hollow-point bullets from his semi-automatic assault pistol. Zimmerman then fiendishly punches himself in the face, breaking his nose, and repeatedly bangs his head on the sidewalk while screaming “Help me! Help me!” which obviously is a secret racist code for “Heil Hitler.” When he is finished murdering Martin, Zimmerman gets back into his gas-guzzling, globe-warming pickup truck and makes his escape. The last thing poor Trayvon sees before he dies is the “Bush-Cheney 2004” bumper sticker.
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 28, 2013 1:40:58 GMT
It has already been proven that Zimmerman did not 'profile' Trayvon just because he was wearing a hoodie. It was his behavior that was suspicious. Zimmerman said he was between two houses looking into a window. He was NOT on the sidewalk walking.
The dispatcher asked GZ to describe Trayvon and tell her which direction he was going. This case was wrongly used to make it a racial issue by the likes of race profiteers like Al Sharpton who conveniently ignores the crime statistics of the black community and says nothing about black on black crime.
If anyone profiled it was Martin. To hear what others have said, he profiled Zimmerman as being a 'crazy ass crackah' and/or homosexual.
Btw, once it was determined that GZ had no history of racism or animus towards blacks in his background, Al Sharpton and other black spokespeople changed the narrative to be about the SYG law, a law that has mostly been used by blacks. Statistics show that blacks have used and benefited from the SYG law than non-blacks.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 28, 2013 6:32:45 GMT
It's very simple, Anna.. Zimmerman chose to stalk Martin even though the police told him to leave it to them. Because of that the young man lay dead. Even one of the jurors said that she thinks Zimmerman got away with murder.I wouldn't quite go that far but he was certainly behaving like a criminal and should have been convicted of manslaughter. Any normal person being pursued without any justification like Martin was by Zimmerman would have reacted like Martin did.Zimmerman is the criminal and Martin the victim NOT the other way round. Dearest Lin, Well at least this juror followed the jury instructions and thus admits that there was no proof or evidence to back up what she thinks! Thus the acquittal.
If Martin's attack on Zimmerman and head bashing were how "normal people" should react then we would be living in an ultra violent barbaric anarchy! The timeline for those who wish to stick with the facts shows that Martin could have easily entered the apartment where he was staying without having to confront Zimmerman or even been seen by Z going into that apartment.
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Post by heeeeey on Jul 28, 2013 6:43:04 GMT
That's correct, Anna. With all due respect to Lin and the TM supporters, they are simply buying the narrative that the media and Al Sharpton put out there from the beginning and before all the evidence was presented, then choosing to ignore the evidence.
Even Martin's own girlfriend testified that Martin doubled back instead of going home.
I disagree that it's 'normal' to attack someone who is following you, which is why it's also against the law.
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 28, 2013 15:57:37 GMT
I'm not buying any narrative; this case isn't and shouldn't be a racial issue or a political one.
I can assure you that if you are being stalked or followed by a stranger then there DOES come a point where it not only NORMAL but positively RIGHT for the person who is being stalked to stand up and confront their attacker.
The last time i looked self-defence was legal even in Texas!
And that's exactly what Martin did - he defended himself against a predatory stalker.
Martin 'stood his ground' against an unprovoked campaign of stalking by Zimmerman.
Zummerman behaved like a wimp (well, stalkers generally do) and it is ENTIRELY the result of his own CRIMINAL behaviour that Martin died.
For what it's worth I am disgusted by the way in which both the far right and far left in the US are trying to politicise this case rather than treating it as simply a crime.
The more I study this case the more I begin to wonder if Zimmerman really DID plan to murder Martin from the very beginning. It's beyond question that he's guilty of manslaughter but I seriously wonder if he did go out with murder in his mind.
But in the eyes of the law Zimmerman is as innocent as - O J Simpson!
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