|
Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 17, 2013 12:27:46 GMT
It is amazing how polarizing this verdict has become. Here is Ted Nugent's take. Though I do think Ted goes a bit overboard in his dissing of Trayvon, he also does make some good points (especially about Jesse Jackson and the race baiting industry).
___ NUGENT: Zimmerman verdict vindicates citizen patrols, self-defense So this guy’s neighborhood has been burglarized off and on and the residents are very concerned for their safety and well-being. Neighbors agree to upkick their vigilance and overall level of awareness to watch out for each other and keep an eye out for suspicious individuals and behavior. It could be considered by an official designation such as “Neighborhood Watch”, but officially labeled or not, it is the purest form of Americans watching out for each other and being good neighbors.
So far so good.
So George Zimmerman sees what he believes is a suspicious individual in suspicious circumstances, and intelligently and responsibly pays attention and calls 9-1-1 to report what he sees to the officials. This gesture is proof positive he was not looking to do anyone harm or break any laws, but rather perform the fundamental responsibility of a neighbor who cares.
Doing nothing illegal or improper, he follows the individual while answering all the questions from the 9-1-1 operator to the best of his ability, keeping an eye on the individual so the authorities can hopefully intercept and determine exactly what is going on.
For reasons unknown, though I will comment on momentarily, after expressing racism and hostility on the phone to a friend in response to being followed, the suspect now changes course and turns towards George and immediately initiates a hostile verbal confrontation that quickly escalate to a violent physical assault. Within seconds, the suspect has overwhelmed George, has gained the advantage on top, pinning George to the ground, and further escalates the assault to deadly force by smashing George’s face, breaking his nose, and violently slamming his skull onto the concrete with all his youthful athleticism.
George screams frantically for help as Trayvon Martin pummels his face and head furiously, inflicting damaging and potentially life threatening wounds. Fearing for his life and about to lose consciousness at the hands of an enraged, violent attacker, George Zimmerman does what anyone who wishes to live would do, and he reaches for his concealed handgun, firing a single shot to neutralize the deadly force being wreaked upon him.
This represents the purest form of self-defense there is. It is exactly why people who believe in good over evil carry a gun to protect themselves from the well documented violence that plagues our country, in order to save our lives from a life threatening attack. Period.
Based on all evidence available to them, the professional law enforcement officers did not hold George Zimmerman on charges later that night. They saw it for what it was: cut and dried self-defense.
And so it was for a few weeks until the race-baiting industry saw an opportunity to further the racist careers of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the Black Panthers. President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder, et al, who then swept down on the Florida community refusing to admit that the 17-year-old dope smoking, racist gangsta wannabe Trayvon Martin was at all responsible for his bad decisions and standard modus operendi of always taking the violent route.
With an obvious racist chip on his shoulder, referencing the neighborhood watch guy as a “creepy ass cracker” to his fellow racist female friend who admitted under oath that that is how non-blacks are referred to normally in their circles, Trayvon had no reason not to attack, because it was the standard thug thing to do. See Chicago any day of the week.
With nearly 700 examples of this truism played out in Chicago in 2012 alone, no one can possibly dispute the recent surge in black racism increasing throughout Barack Obama’s presidency. To attempt to claim otherwise is a laughable lie.
The jury got it right, and non-racist America rejoices that there is still common sense, honesty and decency aware of identifying justice in this country. America also believes that the entire prosecutorial team should be ashamed of themselves and disbarred for ignoring the obvious and kowtowing to the pure racism that forced the politically correct lie that only black lives killed by non-blacks matter, which is why there are no headlines, no protests, no prosecutions and no Barak Obama or Eric Holder meddling in the nonstop black-on-black slaughter in their gun-free zone of Chicago.
Martin Luther King Jr. is rolling over in his grave that he sacrificed his life for the cause of judging people by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin, as so many of his own race carry in in self-destructive behavior while professional race mongers blame everything on racism. It is painful and heartbreaking to say and write this, but horrifically it is true. Blacks kill more blacks in a weekend in Chicago than the evil, vile Ku Klux Klan idiots did in 50 years. Truly earth shattering insane. And not a peep from Obama or Holder. Tragic.
The only racism on that night was perpetrated by Trayvon Martin, and everybody knows it.
Here’s the lesson from all this, America: Teach your children to not attack people for no good reason whatsoever. Conduct yourself in a responsible, civil manner, and everything will be just fine. Try to kill someone and that someone just may be exercising his or her Second Amendment rights and you could get shot. It’s called self-defense, and it is the oldest, strongest and most righteous instinct and God-given right known to man.
Ted Nugent is an American rock ’n’ roll, sporting and political activist icon. He is the author of “Ted, White, and Blue: The Nugent Manifesto” and “God, Guns & Rock ’N’ Roll” (Regnery Publishing).
|
|
♫anna♫
Global Moderator
Aug 18 2017 - Always In Our Hearts
The Federal Reserve Act is the Betrayal of the American Revolution!
e x a l t | s m i t e
karma:
Posts: 11,769
|
Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 17, 2013 12:56:58 GMT
Zimmerman claimed he had no intention of confronting Martin or even getting close to him. Z. claimed he only wanted to see where M. went. That testimony was never discredited or proven false. He had no business doing that. He'd done his bit by alerting the police. The fact that he then tried to 'see where Martin went' shows IMO that Zimmerman had malice aforethought. And if he'd just made the call and left it at that he wouldn't have killed anyone. Zimmerman's actions - and ONLY his actions - led to Martin's unnecessary death. So IMO he is guilty of manslaughter. Dearest Lin, There's no law against following, shadowing or looking where someone went to. A private detective, a gang member, a snoopy neighbor and Zimmerman could do this without legal problems. If whoever is followed bushwacks the person following him/her with an assault and battery then he/she initiated a criminal act. Zimmerman, a gang member, a private detective and a snoopy neighbor would thus have the right to self defense and lethal force is an option according to the law as it is written, if "fear of loss of life" is a factor.
|
|
|
Post by Big Lin on Jul 17, 2013 20:05:42 GMT
Three things, Anna; in the first place it's fine that we disagree. Second it seems to me that you are willing to have Martin's character blackened on the basis of evidence that you criticised in the case of Knox which is inconsistent. Finally I just think that Zimmerman was looking for trouble and when he found that Martin wasn't the pushover that he'd expected and couldn't be bullied or intimidated by him he panicked and shot him.
Whatever way I look at it things still come out the same; the actions of Zimmerman and no one else led directly to Martin's death and IMO Zimmerman should be serving time for manslaughter. His actions were reckless and directly endangered life.
There was no excuse for what he did and he's a very lucky man not to have been locked up for what he did.
|
|
♫anna♫
Global Moderator
Aug 18 2017 - Always In Our Hearts
The Federal Reserve Act is the Betrayal of the American Revolution!
e x a l t | s m i t e
karma:
Posts: 11,769
|
Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 18, 2013 4:20:27 GMT
Three things, Anna; in the first place it's fine that we disagree. Second it seems to me that you are willing to have Martin's character blackened on the basis of evidence that you criticised in the case of Knox which is inconsistent. Finally I just think that Zimmerman was looking for trouble and when he found that Martin wasn't the pushover that he'd expected and couldn't be bullied or intimidated by him he panicked and shot him. Whatever way I look at it things still come out the same; the actions of Zimmerman and no one else led directly to Martin's death and IMO Zimmerman should be serving time for manslaughter. His actions were reckless and directly endangered life. There was no excuse for what he did and he's a very lucky man not to have been locked up for what he did. Dearest Lin, Sure it's OK that we disagree! Amanda Knox wrote some detective stories that were twisted around out of context and used against her. She also "lost it" after hours of enhanced interrogation from Mignini's police and started repeated some of Mignini's nonsense. If me or you didn't have any scruples we could certainly interrogate and pressure someone, who lived a sheltered life like Knox into making all kinds of false statements.
Trayvon Martin was a tragic figure. He came from a broken home. His mother kicked him out of her home as Trayvon's text messages confirmed. He had plenty of anger in him as his texts and Twitter account had shown. None of this was of course shown to the jury. I think Martin could have trained to be a lightweight boxer since he liked fighting. It might have gotten him away from pot and street fighting. Who knows?
Zimmerman is simply a scared wimp, pudgy, slow and in very poor physical condition. The only trace of an impression that Zimmerman may have started things was based on Rachel Jeantel's testimony that Martin said "Get off, get off". This may have meant 1 ) "Get off ( my tail )" meaning: Stop following me. or 2 ) "Get off me" www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=get%20off%20me QUOTE: when someone is crowding your space, physically and or mentally. UNQUOTE: I don't believe that butterball weakling Zimmerman tackled Martin and was on top of him, but you're free to think otherwise.
Zimmerman claimed he lost track of Martin as his call to the police confirm. The timeline gave Martin plenty of time to stroll over to his father's girlfriend's house. But no! He either IMO waited for Zimmerman to start returning from the cut through towards his vehicle or M. doubled back to confront Z. Miss Jeantel testified that Zimmerman asked "What are you doing here?" in response to Martin's "Get off", which IMO is neither bullying or intimidation. Zimmerman claims Martin attacked him when he took out his cell phone presumably to call the police again.
Based on what could be proven in court Zimmerman had to be acquitted.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 4:26:54 GMT
Linda's comments make perfect sense to me. I agree wholeheartedly Linda, Zimmerman had no business doing what he did, he 'job' was to watch and report to police, not to stalk, harass or get into fights with teenagers. I think he'd probably been watching too many Law enforcement T.V. shows and it went to his head. I doubt he even lived in the real world, and these are the kind of people that are carrying guns around? Scary.
|
|
♫anna♫
Global Moderator
Aug 18 2017 - Always In Our Hearts
The Federal Reserve Act is the Betrayal of the American Revolution!
e x a l t | s m i t e
karma:
Posts: 11,769
|
Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 18, 2013 4:34:33 GMT
Linda's comments make perfect sense to me. I agree wholeheartedly Linda, Zimmerman had no business doing what he did, he 'job' was to watch and report to police, not to stalk, harass or get into fights with teenagers. I think he'd probably been watching too many Law enforcement T.V. shows and it went to his head. I doubt he even lived in the real world, and these are the kind of people that are carrying guns around? Scary. If I was being followed by anyone in a strange neighborhood I would just try to disappear. As long as someone is just following you they haven't committed a crime or a misdemeanor. Martin was even angered that Z was watching him.
|
|
♫anna♫
Global Moderator
Aug 18 2017 - Always In Our Hearts
The Federal Reserve Act is the Betrayal of the American Revolution!
e x a l t | s m i t e
karma:
Posts: 11,769
|
Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 18, 2013 4:39:07 GMT
Rachel Jeantel was interviewed on CNN and gave her opinion that Trayvon was just giving Zimmerman a "Whoop Ass", which is less severe than a bashing.
|
|
|
Post by Big Lin on Jul 19, 2013 11:14:15 GMT
Let's try and keep it to the facts. Martin was out walking and Zimmerman decided to follow him.
Now even though he called the cops and reported what he regarded as suspicious behaviour and was then advised not to follow him he disregarded that and followed him.
Now that is stalking and in Britain at least is a criminal offence in itself.
If some strange bloke followed me (it's happened a few times) I first try to lose them (which Martin did) and then if they persist I confront them (which Martin did).
So what it boils down to is that Martin had every reason to feel that Zimmerman was a criminal stalking him for no good purpose and he eventually confronted his stalker and started to throw some punches.
Then Zimmerman shot him.
So whatever way you look at the facts it was Zimmerman who behaved like a criminal and NOT Martin.
|
|
♫anna♫
Global Moderator
Aug 18 2017 - Always In Our Hearts
The Federal Reserve Act is the Betrayal of the American Revolution!
e x a l t | s m i t e
karma:
Posts: 11,769
|
Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 19, 2013 14:13:15 GMT
Let's try and keep it to the facts. Martin was out walking and Zimmerman decided to follow him. Now even though he called the cops and reported what he regarded as suspicious behaviour and was then advised not to follow him he disregarded that and followed him. Now that is stalking and in Britain at least is a criminal offence in itself. If some strange bloke followed me (it's happened a few times) I first try to lose them (which Martin did) and then if they persist I confront them (which Martin did). So what it boils down to is that Martin had every reason to feel that Zimmerman was a criminal stalking him for no good purpose and he eventually confronted his stalker and started to throw some punches. Then Zimmerman shot him. So whatever way you look at the facts it was Zimmerman who behaved like a criminal and NOT Martin. Pedophiles or rapists on parole may be convicted of violating probation, if they stalk a prospective victim. No one gets arrested for shadowing someone otherwise private detectives are out of business. Zimmerman assumed that Martin was heading towards the cut through and leaving the gated neighborhood which was not the case. Zimmerman went to the cut through and ended his call to the police saying he lost him.
Martin had in fact turned right on a sidewalk leading to the apartment where his father was staying. He could have easily continued to his destination as the timeline proves and there would have been no encounter with Zimmerman. Instead Martin either waited or doubled back when Zimmerman started returning to his vehicle and passing the sidewalk that he turned right on. M probably wouldn't have chosen to confront Z, if Z was in good physical condition. Z was out of breath and breathing heavily and M probably thought he could teach Z as lesson.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2013 15:29:47 GMT
Let's try and keep it to the facts. Martin was out walking and Zimmerman decided to follow him. Now even though he called the cops and reported what he regarded as suspicious behaviour and was then advised not to follow him he disregarded that and followed him. Now that is stalking and in Britain at least is a criminal offence in itself. If some strange bloke followed me (it's happened a few times) I first try to lose them (which Martin did) and then if they persist I confront them (which Martin did). So what it boils down to is that Martin had every reason to feel that Zimmerman was a criminal stalking him for no good purpose and he eventually confronted his stalker and started to throw some punches. Then Zimmerman shot him. So whatever way you look at the facts it was Zimmerman who behaved like a criminal and NOT Martin. why do you think the jury didn't see it that way Lin?
|
|
|
Post by Big Lin on Jul 19, 2013 21:11:06 GMT
I've served on a jury - sometimes even though you know someone is guilty you have to acquit them (we did because the cops had tried to fit the bloke up for other crimes beside). And the prosecution didn't do much of a good job either.
But the main culprits are the US media who make it virtually impossible for anyone to get a fair trial.
|
|
|
Post by Big Lin on Jul 19, 2013 21:13:25 GMT
Let's try and keep it to the facts. Martin was out walking and Zimmerman decided to follow him. Now even though he called the cops and reported what he regarded as suspicious behaviour and was then advised not to follow him he disregarded that and followed him. Now that is stalking and in Britain at least is a criminal offence in itself. If some strange bloke followed me (it's happened a few times) I first try to lose them (which Martin did) and then if they persist I confront them (which Martin did). So what it boils down to is that Martin had every reason to feel that Zimmerman was a criminal stalking him for no good purpose and he eventually confronted his stalker and started to throw some punches. Then Zimmerman shot him. So whatever way you look at the facts it was Zimmerman who behaved like a criminal and NOT Martin. Pedophiles or rapists on parole may be convicted of violating probation, if they stalk a prospective victim. No one gets arrested for shadowing someone otherwise private detectives are out of business. Zimmerman assumed that Martin was heading towards the cut through and leaving the gated neighborhood which was not the case. Zimmerman went to the cut through and ended his call to the police saying he lost him.
Martin had in fact turned right on a sidewalk leading to the apartment where his father was staying. He could have easily continued to his destination as the timeline proves and there would have been no encounter with Zimmerman. Instead Martin either waited or doubled back when Zimmerman started returning to his vehicle and passing the sidewalk that he turned right on. M probably wouldn't have chosen to confront Z, if Z was in good physical condition. Z was out of breath and breathing heavily and M probably thought he could teach Z as lesson. Well, I don't know about America but in Britain most private detectives seem to be ex-criminals. So maybe it would be good if they were out of business. And Zimmerman behaved like a stalker and NOT like a genuinely concerned citizen. Martin had good reason to believe HE was in danger and he confronted the man who was stalking him without any good reason. Zimmerman was looking for trouble and HE is the criminal here not Martin!
|
|
|
Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 20, 2013 3:11:23 GMT
Lin said: "But the main culprits are the US media who make it virtually impossible for anyone to get a fair trial."
Hmmmmm. I'd have to say that the media favored Trayvon Martin and dissed Zimmerman.
|
|
♫anna♫
Global Moderator
Aug 18 2017 - Always In Our Hearts
The Federal Reserve Act is the Betrayal of the American Revolution!
e x a l t | s m i t e
karma:
Posts: 11,769
|
Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 20, 2013 4:57:02 GMT
Pedophiles or rapists on parole may be convicted of violating probation, if they stalk a prospective victim. No one gets arrested for shadowing someone otherwise private detectives are out of business. Zimmerman assumed that Martin was heading towards the cut through and leaving the gated neighborhood which was not the case. Zimmerman went to the cut through and ended his call to the police saying he lost him.
Martin had in fact turned right on a sidewalk leading to the apartment where his father was staying. He could have easily continued to his destination as the timeline proves and there would have been no encounter with Zimmerman. Instead Martin either waited or doubled back when Zimmerman started returning to his vehicle and passing the sidewalk that he turned right on. M probably wouldn't have chosen to confront Z, if Z was in good physical condition. Z was out of breath and breathing heavily and M probably thought he could teach Z as lesson. Well, I don't know about America but in Britain most private detectives seem to be ex-criminals. So maybe it would be good if they were out of business. And Zimmerman behaved like a stalker and NOT like a genuinely concerned citizen. Martin had good reason to believe HE was in danger and he confronted the man who was stalking him without any good reason. Zimmerman was looking for trouble and HE is the criminal here not Martin! No one white, black, brown, red or whatever color is expected to take a beating. We disagree on how this altercation between Zimmerman and Martin started. I have no reason to doubt Zimmerman's words in his call to the police where Martin seemed to act provoked and angered when he noticed Z was watching him and he approached Z's car and made a gesture with his hand as if he was taking out a concealed object. Did M. want Z. to believe he had a gun? Was he trying to provoke Z? He certainly didn't act like he felt endangered, if he approached Z like that. You have to admit that M. didn't act apropriately. Had he just smiled and waved in a friendly greeting manner to Z after he noticed Z was watching him or had he just ignored Z maybe Z wouldn't have bothered to get out of his car to see where M was going. It takes 2 to tangle!At the 45 second mark Z describes M approaching his car to check him out. Honestly Lin! Neither of us would have acted like M did here. We certainly would have done best to ignore some guy in a car staring at us.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 6:42:46 GMT
Lin said: "But the main culprits are the US media who make it virtually impossible for anyone to get a fair trial." Hmmmmm. I'd have to say that the media favored Trayvon Martin and dissed Zimmerman. This is correct , from what i saw it was all bias in favour of Martin , and at the end of the day Zimmerman got a fair trial .
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 6:44:01 GMT
I've served on a jury - sometimes even though you know someone is guilty you have to acquit them (we did because the cops had tried to fit the bloke up for other crimes beside). And the prosecution didn't do much of a good job either. But the main culprits are the US media who make it virtually impossible for anyone to get a fair trial. That is interesting Lin, how did you know as a jury member that the police had tried to frame the guy before , did they admit that? I'd love to serve on a jury !
|
|
|
Post by Big Lin on Jul 20, 2013 22:37:39 GMT
No they didn't admit it but it was obvious to us and the judge pretty clearly thought the same because he gave the coppers a filthy look when he discharged the defendant.
The problem was that the guy was almost certainly guilty of one of the three robberies he was charged with but it seemed almost impossible for him to have done the other two.
So basically we ended up acquitting him even though we felt he WAS guilty on one count but we felt sure that the coppers had tried to fit him up for the other two crimes.
|
|
|
Post by iamjumbo on Jul 22, 2013 18:22:47 GMT
when you begin with a lie, everything that follows is a lie. this entire thing is nothing but a lie. martin was never anywhere near the car. he was running away from it. nugent used to be relatively cogent, but, in recent years, the drugs have taken complete control of what mind that he has
|
|
|
Post by iamjumbo on Jul 22, 2013 18:31:32 GMT
Pedophiles or rapists on parole may be convicted of violating probation, if they stalk a prospective victim. No one gets arrested for shadowing someone otherwise private detectives are out of business. Zimmerman assumed that Martin was heading towards the cut through and leaving the gated neighborhood which was not the case. Zimmerman went to the cut through and ended his call to the police saying he lost him.
Martin had in fact turned right on a sidewalk leading to the apartment where his father was staying. He could have easily continued to his destination as the timeline proves and there would have been no encounter with Zimmerman. Instead Martin either waited or doubled back when Zimmerman started returning to his vehicle and passing the sidewalk that he turned right on. M probably wouldn't have chosen to confront Z, if Z was in good physical condition. Z was out of breath and breathing heavily and M probably thought he could teach Z as lesson. Well, I don't know about America but in Britain most private detectives seem to be ex-criminals. So maybe it would be good if they were out of business. And Zimmerman behaved like a stalker and NOT like a genuinely concerned citizen. Martin had good reason to believe HE was in danger and he confronted the man who was stalking him without any good reason. Zimmerman was looking for trouble and HE is the criminal here not Martin! exactly. every normal male would be thinking that the fool was trying to rape him. that is the only reason that a male would furtively follow a guy down the street. martin tried to ditch the predator by cutting through the apartments, but, when he saw the guy get out of the car and start chasing him, it was obvious that this predator intended him harm. martin did the ONLY rational thing, and hid. when the predator got to his hiding spot, he pounced and defended himself. since zimmerman was clearly the aggressor, he had no claim to self defense, no matter how badly he was being beaten.
|
|
♫anna♫
Global Moderator
Aug 18 2017 - Always In Our Hearts
The Federal Reserve Act is the Betrayal of the American Revolution!
e x a l t | s m i t e
karma:
Posts: 11,769
|
Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 23, 2013 4:16:46 GMT
www.ijreview.com/2013/07/65527-in-513-days-between-trayvon-shooting-and-zimmerman-verdict-11106-blacks-murdered-by-other-blacks/ QUOTE: In 503 Days Between Trayvon Shooting and Zimmerman Verdict, 10,865 Blacks Murdered by OTHER BLACKS To be exact, the shameful truth is that 93% of African-American murders are committed by other African-Americans. That is breathtakingly awful when you consider how incensed the African-American community is about the Trayvon tragedy, no matter what you believe about Zimmerman’s guilt. Let’s do the gruesome math, not out of morbidity, but because it manifests the incredible self-centered insanity of people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. 8,000-9,000 African-Americans are murdered each year. 93% of them by other African-Americans. That’s 7,905 (from average) That’s 21.65 murdered each day by other African-Americans. And these racebaiting culture-hustling microphone-pimps only get riled up when a “White Hispanic” kills an African-American? It’s absolutely shameful. To update, in the 503 days between Trayvon dying, and the Zimmerman verdict, 11,106 African Americans have been murdered by other African-Americans.
|
|