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Post by Lauren on Mar 28, 2012 12:07:54 GMT
I am not sure if anyone has heard about this case, but basically what happened was Trayvon, a 17 year old was shot by a neighbourhood watcher, Zimmerman, for looking suspicious He was wearing a hoodie and had a pack of candy in his hand and a coke bottle.
Zimmerman phoned 911, and reported the unusual activity, and the operator told him to not pursue the 'suspect' but he did anyway. He shot Trayvon, and he died. Police did not arrest Zimmerman.
There are a lot of articles related tothis event if you google Trayvon's name. I was just wondering what you all thought?
Personally, I am appalled that the police did not arrest Zimmerman on scene. They argue it is because there wasn't enough probable evidence to charge Zimmerman with a crime, even though the 911 operator knew Zimmerman prusued Trayvon without probable cause, and being told to back down.
This is clearly a raced-based crime, because had it been a white youth that was shot and killed, Zimmerman would have been arrested.
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Post by jean on Mar 28, 2012 15:30:20 GMT
I'm appalled, too.
And I'm also appalled that the 'neighbourhood watcher', who wasn't even a policeman, was legally entitled to carry the gun which he then used so irresponsibly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2012 17:20:02 GMT
Actually, they did arrest him on scene: they put him in handcuffs and carted him off to the police station.
They released him, it seems, because they were unable to refute his claim that he acted in what he believed was self defence, under a law that is now coming under fire.
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Post by toby on Mar 28, 2012 17:38:32 GMT
skylark posted.:-They released him, it seems, because they were unable to refute his claim that he acted in what he believed was self defence, under a law that is now coming under fire.
Toby comments.:- The quaintly named "Trayvon" was quite a bit taller than Mr. Zimmermann (who incidentally is Jewish and therefore not white !)
Zimmermann was found to have a broken nose as a result of Trayvons attack so it does seem he was entitled to used his gun to protect himself. If I were to wear a Hoodie at night then I would be bloody stupid indeed, I don't !! but that is because I don't want to look like lowlife, and I don't want to put any fear into law abiding citizens.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2012 19:18:42 GMT
Martin may have been taller, but Zimmerman was a lot heavier. . Apparently at least one police officer wanted to charge Zimmerman but was over-ruled: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9170588/Trayvon-Martin-murder-detective-wanted-to-charge-George-Zimmerman.htmlThat is a great pity for everyone, including Zimmerman if he was really innocent: had he been cleared by a jury he would not now be hiding out in fear. From what I've read, the law of self defence in Texas states that someone is entitled to stand their ground and shoot if they think their life is at risk. This would seem to lead to the following silly situation: Man A sees Man B behaving in what he thinks is a supicious manner. Man A follows Man B. Man B sees he is being followed, but doesn't know why. Man A realises that Man B has seen him. Each is now frightened that the other is either a mad gunman or - worse - that the other will think he is a mad gunman . There is only one thing for it - to shoot first. Only in this case Martin didn't have a gun. What is more, if Zimmerman was jumped on by the lad as described, he must have realised this. Is it true that Martin was shot in the back of the head? That really doesn't look good.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Mar 28, 2012 19:22:03 GMT
It is sad that an unarmed teenager's life was lost over this incident. I think the police are doing the right thing by carefully investigating and considering the evidence. A rush to judgement would be inappropriate.
I am irritated by the two prominent race-baiters, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton. It seems that those two almost always rush to the scene whenever there is an issue involving blacks and whites. They act as if this is a sporting event and they're the two on-camera cheerleaders for the black team. They're always around pouring gasoline on the fire when something like this happens. They have successfully stirred up the black community, with a big assist from our liberal mainstream media. Zimmerman needs to go into hiding and don't know that he'll be able to get a fair trial (if he is arrested) given all the biased negative publicity.
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Post by sadie1263 on Mar 28, 2012 19:32:47 GMT
Zimmerman had a broken nose and lacerations to the head. Some type of altercation occurred. I do believe Zimmerman was in the wrong......but the reaction to this case is completely insane.
There is no possibility of a fair trial. It has become a witch hunt. There's no way to come to a reasonable conclusion......if you don't charge him riots will break out.....if you do charge him...he'll never find an impartial jury.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 6:41:57 GMT
It is sad that an unarmed teenager's life was lost over this incident. I think the police are doing the right thing by carefully investigating and considering the evidence. A rush to judgement would be inappropriate. Yes, it is a tragedy and you are right in saying that a rush to judgement is wrong. As for the police....yes, they are investigating now, but only because of all the fuss. They had decided to release Zimmerman without charge for lack of evidence: that is the scandal. The USA seems much more confident in the jury's ability to put this sort of thing behind them. There have been a few cases where jurors have been chosen because they know nothing about a high profile case, which means the trial ends up with a dozen oddballs who never read papers or watch the news on TV.
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Post by jean on Mar 29, 2012 9:47:30 GMT
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Post by jean on Mar 29, 2012 9:50:27 GMT
Yes, it is a tragedy and you are right in saying that a rush to judgement is wrong. As for the police....yes, they are investigating now, but only because of all the fuss. They had decided to release Zimmerman without charge for lack of evidence: that is the scandal. Exactly - there would have been no 'witch hunt' if the decision to investigate properly had been taken as soon as the incident occurred.
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Post by sadie1263 on Mar 29, 2012 15:12:23 GMT
By Richard Fausset, Los Angeles Times March 28, 2012, 5:20 p.m.
SANFORD, Fla. — For many Americans, George Zimmerman has become the face of barbarous vigilante justice.
For Olivia Bertalan, he was the face of compassion: a neighbor of consummate graciousness and low-key gallantry.
About six months before Zimmerman shot and killed an unarmed black teenager in his town house complex, he was standing in Bertalan's doorway, asking what he could do to help her.
A group of young men had just broken into Bertalan's town house as she and her infant cowered in a locked bedroom. The intruders took a $600 camera and a laptop. After police had come and gone, the doorbell rang, and there was Zimmerman: 5 feet 9, in a shirt and tie, his body a little doughy, his demeanor gentle.
He introduced himself and gave her phone numbers at which she could call him anytime. He gave her a heavy-duty lock to bolster the sliding-glass door that the men had forced open. He told her she could stay with his wife down the street if she ever felt scared again.
"That first impression was really sweet," Bertalan, 21, said this week. "It really does break my heart how they're portraying him as a coldblooded murderer."
This is the impression of Zimmerman shared by a number of neighbors and acquaintances, one that only compounds the complexity and tragedy in the case of Trayvon Martin, whom Zimmerman gunned down Feb. 26 in a suburban side yard.
Zimmerman, who claimed self-defense, has not been arrested, and outraged observers have impugned the 28-year-old neighborhood watch captain, and the justice system, as racist. Friends and family have said that Zimmerman, who is half-Peruvian, has black friends and even family members, and was not motivated by prejudice.
A portrait is emerging of a man whose life, though pocked with allegations of aggressive behavior, was also marked by the kind of neighborhood-level engagement — he helped plan block parties — that social scientists have argued are key to combating the atomization and alienation of suburban life.
One crucial and unresolved question, however, is whether Zimmerman, who made more than 40 complaint calls to local police since 2004, finally took his engagement a step too far on a rainy Sunday night in February.
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Post by toby on Mar 31, 2012 18:11:51 GMT
Jean posted.;-Setting aside the curious statement that Jews are not 'white', it appears that Zimmerman isn't Jewish:
Toby comments.:- Jews are not classed as white and this is an official message put out by the European Union who have classed Europeans skin colouring. British, Danes, Norwegians, Swedes etc are classed as white but once you go south of Dover then I am afraid you start to get classified as, tinted.
Zimmermann is a Jewish name, the most famous Zimmermann is of course, Bob Dylan.
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Post by Big Lin on Mar 31, 2012 19:29:31 GMT
I think only albinos are white, aren't they?
When Himmler was touring the east he came across a blonde haired, blue eyed boy who was Jewish.
He was totally stunned because he didn't realise that Jews come in every skin colour and every type of physical 'race.'
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 31, 2012 20:48:11 GMT
A witness testified that Martin was beating Mr. Zimmerman, who was on the ground screaming for help. Zimmerman's lawyer confirmed that his client suffered a broken nose.
My brother used to live in a neighorhood watch area. Tensions are high in such areas! The Black neighborhoods also have their neighborhood watchs and strangers to the neighborhood have to be careful not to provoke anyone there. This case would have never made the news beyond the local news media, if a White man was shot while beating a Black man for whatever reason in his neighborhood.
It's a tragedy at any rate!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2012 21:00:18 GMT
This case would have never made the news beyond the local news media, if a White man was shot while beating a Black man for whatever reason in his neighborhood. Read more: biglinmarshall.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=crimetalk&action=display&thread=3324&page=1#ixzz1qjJzMtsLThat sounds a bit far fetched to me: for example, what if the white man was killed in his own home? If there are no witnesses to the whole event, who can say who started the fight - the fact that someone ends up on top doesn't mean he was the instigator. In a state where "stand your ground" seems to mean "shoot first before the other guy has a chance" it is hardly surprising that a young man loses it with a guy who is following him around.
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Post by toby on Apr 1, 2012 13:24:52 GMT
Lin posted.:-I think only albinos are white, aren't they?
Toby comments.:- A bit pinkish methinks ! However as I mentioned, the EU has classified Europeans and others on the basis of skin colour and Jews are most definately not seen as white skinned.
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Post by toby on Apr 1, 2012 13:30:07 GMT
Toby comments.:- I note that many Media outlets are still publishing photographs of a 15 year old wimpy Trayvon who looks like butter would not melt in his mouth, some Media outlets are publishing the latest photographs of the 6 foot 2 inch, muscular Trayvon !
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Apr 1, 2012 13:50:14 GMT
This image is the photograph the late Trayvon Martin used to represent his Twitter identity in late 2011, under the screen name "T33ZY_TAUGHT_M3." Although the Twitter account was deleted, The Daily Caller retrieved it from the social analytics website PeopleBrowsr. The upper-arm tattoo in the image matches one in a close-up photograph on Martin's MySpace page. (Image: Twitter) Read more: dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/second-trayvon-martin-twitter-feed-identified/#ixzz1qnQeq08kThe photo Martin chose to represent himself on Twitter as “T33ZY_TAUGHT_M3″ depicts him in a black Polo cap, looking into the camera and extending his middle finger. The photo’s file name on Twitter’s server indicates that it was taken on the afternoon of June 17, 2010.
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 3, 2012 10:40:19 GMT
I'm appalled, too. And I'm also appalled that the 'neighbourhood watcher', who wasn't even a policeman, was legally entitled to carry the gun which he then used so irresponsibly. you don't have to be a policeman to carry a gun. there are over two million concealed carry permits in florida. if you want one: www.usacarry.com/florida_concealed_carry_permit_information.htmlall civilized states have concealed carry
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 3, 2012 10:42:33 GMT
Actually, they did arrest him on scene: they put him in handcuffs and carted him off to the police station. They released him, it seems, because they were unable to refute his claim that he acted in what he believed was self defence, under a law that is now coming under fire. no. this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the stand your ground law. zimmerman can only claim self defense, and that is suspect. the stand your ground law applies to your house, car, business, or if a piece of shyt tries to rob you on the street. OBVIOUSLY, you have the god given right to kill it.
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