Political Correctness enables Radical Fundamentalist Islam

[Big Lin]

Jul 26, 2016 19:01:54 GMT DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) said:

Jul 26, 2016 16:30:17 GMT Big Lin said:

Ahmed is constantly denouncing terrorism and extremism.

Just as lots of other Muslims I know are.

A few weeks ago there was a group of a couple of hundred Muslims in South London protesting against it.

Did it get media coverage? Of course not.

Authoritarians want to pretend that Islam is the enemy just as the Nazis pretended the Jews were.

Even when Muslims DO protest and demonstrate the media ignores them.

It's following the conservative agenda of demonising Muslims.

Don't be naive; don't fall for their propaganda.

Think for yourself and experience a wide variety of life and cultures for yourself.

Lin - I believe you're trying to change the topic here to 'Good Muslims.' We all know there are many good Muslims. We know that they far outnumber the terrorist supporters and almost infinitely outnumber the actual terrorists. Those good guy Muslims aren't the subject of this discussion because they're not the problem. They're inert.

It matters not if 99.999% of all Muslims are good Muslims. What matters would be the small sliver that are killing us.

Ex-Terrorism Task Force member Steve Rogers says.

"In the early 2000s when I was on the National Joint Terrorism Task Force, I remember reading al-Qaida's training manual,"

"This was a 10-, 20-, 30-year strategic plan to do what? To go after the big prize, take down the United States of America … in America." (Note: Though he was talking about America, the same comment applies equally to Britain, France, Spain, Italy, etc.).

"In that training manual, it was clear: Infiltrate their universities, infiltrate their schools, their neighborhoods, their market, infiltrate the news media, embed yourself in every neighborhood," he said.

No one should be surprised there are ISIS sympathizers within our borders, Rogers said. After all, there were Nazi sympathizers in the United States during World War II and Soviet agents during the Cold War.

The proof of that Rogers says is in the news almost every day now. San Bernardino, Orlando, Paris, Nice, etc.

In the first place I responded to the disgusting slur on my brother-in-law.

Secondly, if you seriously think that 'it doesn't matter' about the majority of Muslims who are NOT terrorists, who do NOT support terrorism, who DENOUNCE it and campaign AGAINST it, then you really have lost sight of rationality.

I might as well say that 'it doesn't matter' about the majority of Americans who DON'T go around murdering people. SOME do and on your own principles that should be enough to denounce all Americans as murderers.

What you've said really IS that irrational.

[DAS (formerly BushAdmirer)]

Jul 27, 2016 19:49:47 GMT Big Lin said:

Jul 26, 2016 19:01:54 GMT DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) said:

Lin - I believe you're trying to change the topic here to 'Good Muslims.' We all know there are many good Muslims. We know that they far outnumber the terrorist supporters and almost infinitely outnumber the actual terrorists. Those good guy Muslims aren't the subject of this discussion because they're not the problem. They're inert.

It matters not if 99.999% of all Muslims are good Muslims. What matters would be the small sliver that are killing us.

Ex-Terrorism Task Force member Steve Rogers says.

"In the early 2000s when I was on the National Joint Terrorism Task Force, I remember reading al-Qaida's training manual,"

"This was a 10-, 20-, 30-year strategic plan to do what? To go after the big prize, take down the United States of America … in America." (Note: Though he was talking about America, the same comment applies equally to Britain, France, Spain, Italy, etc.).

"In that training manual, it was clear: Infiltrate their universities, infiltrate their schools, their neighborhoods, their market, infiltrate the news media, embed yourself in every neighborhood," he said.

No one should be surprised there are ISIS sympathizers within our borders, Rogers said. After all, there were Nazi sympathizers in the United States during World War II and Soviet agents during the Cold War.

The proof of that Rogers says is in the news almost every day now. San Bernardino, Orlando, Paris, Nice, etc.

In the first place I responded to the disgusting slur on my brother-in-law.

Secondly, if you seriously think that 'it doesn't matter' about the majority of Muslims who are NOT terrorists, who do NOT support terrorism, who DENOUNCE it and campaign AGAINST it, then you really have lost sight of rationality.

I might as well say that 'it doesn't matter' about the majority of Americans who DON'T go around murdering people. SOME do and on your own principles that should be enough to denounce all Americans as murderers.

What you've said really IS that irrational.

What was the slur on your brother in Law Lin? I must have missed that one.

You missed my point. Of course the good Muslims matter and deserve our respect. Perhaps we need to do a better job of showing our appreciation when they denounce terrorists.

My point was that they're really not part of this discussion which has concentrated on the terrorists and their heinous acts.

Perhaps they do feel drawn in because many of us are convinced that it is their religion which is at the heart of the religious fanaticism that fuels ISIL, Al Queda, etc. Perhaps they are drawn in when they feel compelled to defend their religion and claim that the fanatics aren't really Muslims.

It is very clear to me that the fanatics are perhaps the truest Muslims of all because they're emulating their revered Prophet Mohammed step for step.

Both good and bad Muslims accuse the other of not really being Muslims. Both quote passages from the Quran and Hadith's to support their own claims. That just further supports my view that the Quran is a bogus book with a whole lot of evil in it written (or rather dictated) by the con man who was named Mohmamad when he invented that phony religion.

[♫anna♫]

If only more people would have the courage to say the truth and break from political correctness.
Pat Condell has some harsh words for the leftist civil rights fakes. P.C. appears to be a death wish for Western civilisation. Womens' rights and minority rights will be put back in the pre-medieval dark ages, if the downfall of Western civilisation isn't stopped.

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[Big Lin]

If only more people would have the courage to speak the truth and break from right-wing political correctness.

There is an equally despicable right-wing version of political correctness.

The mere fact that you use the words 'fakes' and 'civil rights' in the same breath shows clearly that you don't support civil rights.

The very 'Western civilization' you claim to praise so much is exclusively the product of the Enlightenment with its emphasis on civil rights, freedom, tolerance, free-thinking and so on.

The society YOU advocate is one that's authoritarian, repressive, full of imposed 'thought crime' and so on.

I really wonder if you realise how close your thinking is to the people you oppose.

[Big Lin]

Jul 26, 2016 16:32:27 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

All I've seen were pasted smears from SPLC Big Lin . It would be authoritarian to accept SPLC as a credible source for truth.

Listen, Anna, perhaps you should actually READ what I post.

A FACT is a FACT no matter WHAT the source.

I posted a LOT of FACTS based on my OWN PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE.

It would be authoritarian NOT to accept a fact whatever its source.

[♫anna♫]

Aug 9, 2016 12:46:58 GMT Big Lin said:

Jul 26, 2016 16:32:27 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

All I've seen were pasted smears from SPLC Big Lin . It would be authoritarian to accept SPLC as a credible source for truth.

Listen, Anna, perhaps you should actually READ what I post.

A FACT is a FACT no matter WHAT the source.

I posted a LOT of FACTS based on my OWN PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE.

It would be authoritarian NOT to accept a fact whatever its source.

Big Lin we simply don't call someone a liar and or a fool based on the usage of expressions like "Roman language" or "sharia law" instead of "sharia".

[Deleted]

Some people tend to come across in an unnecessarily strident and confrontational ways and perhaps if they tried to moderate their tone a little that might help people respond in a less irritable fashion to their somewhat testy postings.

Big Lin, everyone here understands your position relative to Islam, and also understand that you do not like postings negative to Islam. That’s fine as anyone can offer their opinion whether others agree or not. But you do seem to be operating in unnecessarily strident and confrontational ways and that doesn’t support open dialog.

By the way, you don’t have to take this as my opinion, but rather show it to Mike and suggest he remember October 6th 2015 on a different forum. Essentially this (first paragraph here) is what he suggested to a poster.

[Big Lin]

Aug 10, 2016 15:58:15 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

Aug 9, 2016 12:46:58 GMT Big Lin said:

Listen, Anna, perhaps you should actually READ what I post.

A FACT is a FACT no matter WHAT the source.

I posted a LOT of FACTS based on my OWN PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE.

It would be authoritarian NOT to accept a fact whatever its source.

Big Lin we simply don't call someone a liar and or a fool based on the usage of expressions like "Roman language" or "sharia law" instead of "sharia".

I haven't called YOU a liar or a fool; I have pointed out NINE claims by Bill French alias Warner that are PROVABLY, FACTUALLY FALSE.

Now the ONLY possible reasons for that is that either he is a fool or he is a deliberate liar.

In my post where I pointed them out about five of my points were based on PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE and I KNOW ON THE BASIS OF THAT that the toerag is WRONG, FACTUALLY WRONG AND EITHER LYING OR A MORON.

Now please stop trying to get out of the FACT that he IS wrong.

[Big Lin]

Aug 10, 2016 16:45:53 GMT @menantol said:

Some people tend to come across in an unnecessarily strident and confrontational ways and perhaps if they tried to moderate their tone a little that might help people respond in a less irritable fashion to their somewhat testy postings.

Big Lin, everyone here understands your position relative to Islam, and also understand that you do not like postings negative to Islam. That’s fine as anyone can offer their opinion whether others agree or not. But you do seem to be operating in unnecessarily strident and confrontational ways and that doesn’t support open dialog.

By the way, you don’t have to take this as my opinion, but rather show it to Mike and suggest he remember October 6th 2015 on a different forum. Essentially this (first paragraph here) is what he suggested to a poster.

It's not a question of 'negative' postings; it's a question of one-sided, dishonest, inaccurate and hate-filled postings.

As you said yourself, tone often matters more than content.

And lately the tone has reminded me of a BNP meeting (something like Aryan Nations would be a US equivalent).

So as I said, it's all about self-discipline and wording posts more carefully.

It's also about finding different topics.

Apart from anything else, I got bored stiff seeing the same old rubbish every time I come on here.

Hasn't anyone got anything original to say?

[Deleted]

Big Lin, you and I see this series of postings quite differently.

The first paragraph in the posting you quote is close to word by word by Mike. In my opinion, it applies here more to you than anyone else, as you have been more vitriolic in your comments to other posters here than anyone else. You (and I guess Mike) have decided that only your experience is valid. That only what you have determined as truth is the only valid truth. That others had better follow your positions or ‘suffer’ the consequences.

As I have said, it is your forum and you can do as you wish here. You can even, ask the questions and then provide the answers. You can make the assertions and determine that all ‘must’ accept them. That your answers and your assertions do not fit my experiences and knowledge apparently make no difference to you. And they most assuredly do not. It is singularly your way and no other and your comments to others are often less than civil. So be it, as this is your board and you can make this world where up is down and left is right and thick is thin, or anything you want.

I remember once you mentioned to me in a posting that others had declared you as an apologist for Islam, it is easy to see why. It is not in your content as we all have differing views, rather, it is in your attempts to debase the words of others and dismiss them as merely attempts to lie. If you are not an apologist for Islam, you give a good impression as one.

While I find this subject interesting and of current import, I also believe that it will not exist for much longer (less than ten years). Western Culture and Islamic culture are incompatible and will never mesh. The only impact of Islam on the West has been through the use of violence and in our age that is because they have been able to acquire modern weapons. That acquisition of these modern weapons have only been due to moneys received from the selling of their raw resource, crude oil. However, for a number of reasons that is coming to an end. As that happens the income in these single industry countries will dry up to a trickle and their impact on the West will also dry up. With their inability to grow the foods to feed their own people they will become increasingly dependent on alms from the Western Nations, the very nations they despise.

It is really too bad since there could have been some type of relationship developed with the West, but for that to happen, Islam would have to open up to the world and that will never happen.

I’m done with this thread.

[mikemarshall]

Aug 10, 2016 21:52:40 GMT @menantol said:

Big Lin, you and I see this series of postings quite differently.

The first paragraph in the posting you quote is close to word by word by Mike. In my opinion, it applies here more to you than anyone else, as you have been more vitriolic in your comments to other posters here than anyone else. You (and I guess Mike) have decided that only your experience is valid. That only what you have determined as truth is the only valid truth. That others had better follow your positions or ‘suffer’ the consequences.

As I have said, it is your forum and you can do as you wish here. You can even, ask the questions and then provide the answers. You can make the assertions and determine that all ‘must’ accept them. That your answers and your assertions do not fit my experiences and knowledge apparently make no difference to you. And they most assuredly do not. It is singularly your way and no other and your comments to others are often less than civil. So be it, as this is your board and you can make this world where up is down and left is right and thick is thin, or anything you want.

I remember once you mentioned to me in a posting that others had declared you as an apologist for Islam, it is easy to see why. It is not in your content as we all have differing views, rather, it is in your attempts to debase the words of others and dismiss them as merely attempts to lie. If you are not an apologist for Islam, you give a good impression as one.

While I find this subject interesting and of current import, I also believe that it will not exist for much longer (less than ten years). Western Culture and Islamic culture are incompatible and will never mesh. The only impact of Islam on the West has been through the use of violence and in our age that is because they have been able to acquire modern weapons. That acquisition of these modern weapons have only been due to moneys received from the selling of their raw resource, crude oil. However, for a number of reasons that is coming to an end. As that happens the income in these single industry countries will dry up to a trickle and their impact on the West will also dry up. With their inability to grow the foods to feed their own people they will become increasingly dependent on alms from the Western Nations, the very nations they despise.

It is really too bad since there could have been some type of relationship developed with the West, but for that to happen, Islam would have to open up to the world and that will never happen.

I’m done with this thread.

The fundamental problem, Menantol, is that some members appear to believe that they can behave in the same fashion as someone we both know on another forum who imagines that he can post anything he wishes and that only he is correct.

Now we have offered FACTS as opposed to opinions and prejudice; we have gladly discussed opinions; but ultimately we will NOT tolerate bullying or hatred.

Neither should any mature person.

It is sad that you feel unable to continue with a rational discussion but that is your choice.

Just as it is our choice (and as you have seen with your own eyes) we are the least authoritarian forum owners you will find anywhere) to decide that certain posts, behaviour and so on is not acceptable.

I regret your decision and hope you change your mind because you are valued and the strange thing is that on Beth's forum you have a range of issues on which you post so your recent single-issue focus has surprised me considerably.

Perhaps when things have cooled down you may care to resume your activity on here.

You are always welcome.

[♫anna♫]

Aug 10, 2016 21:01:14 GMT Big Lin said:

Aug 10, 2016 16:45:53 GMT @menantol said:

Some people tend to come across in an unnecessarily strident and confrontational ways and perhaps if they tried to moderate their tone a little that might help people respond in a less irritable fashion to their somewhat testy postings.

Big Lin, everyone here understands your position relative to Islam, and also understand that you do not like postings negative to Islam. That’s fine as anyone can offer their opinion whether others agree or not. But you do seem to be operating in unnecessarily strident and confrontational ways and that doesn’t support open dialog.

By the way, you don’t have to take this as my opinion, but rather show it to Mike and suggest he remember October 6th 2015 on a different forum. Essentially this (first paragraph here) is what he suggested to a poster.

It's not a question of 'negative' postings; it's a question of one-sided, dishonest, inaccurate and hate-filled postings.

As you said yourself, tone often matters more than content.

And lately the tone has reminded me of a BNP meeting (something like Aryan Nations would be a US equivalent).

So as I said, it's all about self-discipline and wording posts more carefully.

It's also about finding different topics.

Apart from anything else, I got bored stiff seeing the same old rubbish every time I come on here.

Hasn't anyone got anything original to say?

I let your baseless slanderous claim that Charles Lindbergh murdered his own child go unchallenged Big Lin . Charles Lindbergh stood up against the Federal Reserve takeover of the US economy and the dangers that it would bring to the US. This was the reason his child was kidnapped and murdered. Like JFK anyone who challenges these Globalist bankers and their agenda risks harm to themselves and their families.

Most Muslim countries outside of Saudi Arabia were ravaged by this banker sponsored colonialism misusing British, French and later American troops after the 1913 banker takeover of the US. Muslims who I've talked with applaud my condemnation of these bankers. The original Mideastern immigrants to Germany were lmostly rather well behaved and didn't cause the problems that the recent pseudo-refugees cause.

[DAS (formerly BushAdmirer)]

So what is meant by the modern term referred to as 'POLITICAL CORRECTNESS'..
 
The definition is found in 4 telegrams at the Truman Library and Museum in Independence, Missouri.  The following are copies of four telegrams between President Harry Truman and General Douglas MacArthur on the day before the actual signing of the WWII Surrender Agreement in September 1945..  The contents of those four telegrams below are exactly as received at the end of the war - not a word has been added or deleted! 
 
(1) Tokyo, Japan   0800-September 1,1945
To: President Harry S Truman
From: General D A MacArthur
Tomorrow we meet with those yellow-bellied bastards and sign the Surrender Documents, any last minute instructions? 
 
(2) Washington, D C   1300-September 1, 1945
To: D A MacArthur
From: H S Truman 
Congratulations, job well done, but you must tone down your obvious dislike of the Japanese when discussing the terms of the surrender with the press, because some of your remarks are fundamentally not politically correct!  
 
(3) Tokyo, Japan  1630-September 1, 1945
To: H S Truman
From: D A MacArthur and C H Nimitz 
Wilco Sir, but both Chester Nimitz and I are somewhat confused, exactly what does the term politically correct mean? 
 
(4) Washington, D C  2120-September 1, 1945
To: D A MacArthur/C H Nimitz
From: H S Truman
Political Correctness is a doctrine, recently fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and promoted by a sick mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end! 
 
Now, with special thanks to the Truman Museum and Harry himself, you and I finally have a full understanding of what 'POLITICAL CORRECTNESS' really means.....