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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jul 5, 2016 13:01:51 GMT
Hi Menantol, I said that only love will bring peace to this warlike world and I meant it. The minute someone kills another, that has been accomplished by hate not by love. A person whose heart is filled with love will not harm a hair on anyone's head., that is what I was stating. Love naturally has to be in everyone's heart in order for peace to reign. As long as their is hate there will be war. I hope everything is now clear.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 5, 2016 13:21:49 GMT
Hi Menantol, I said that only love will bring peace to this warlike world and I meant it. The minute someone kills another, that has been accomplished by hate not by love. A person whose heart is filled with love will not harm a hair on anyone's head., that is what I was stating. Love naturally has to be in everyone's heart in order for peace to reign. As long as their is hate there will be war. I hope everything is now clear. Scottish Lassie please keep in mind it is not hate that is defending the borders to our nation nor is hatred behind the incarceration of dangerous criminals in prison.
We have to maintain this physical world in an orderly fashion so that people like you and others can enjoy their free speech and grow and develope in peace.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 5, 2016 16:25:39 GMT
Hi Menantol, I said that only love will bring peace to this warlike world and I meant it. The minute someone kills another, that has been accomplished by hate not by love. A person whose heart is filled with love will not harm a hair on anyone's head., that is what I was stating. Love naturally has to be in everyone's heart in order for peace to reign. As long as their is hate there will be war. I hope everything is now clear. Consider the lesson of history from Sparta and Athens. Athens was a peace loving democratic society with equal rights, voting for leaders every year, education for all, equal opportunities for everyone. Young men had to serve just two years in the army which was defensive by nature. Sparta was a militaristic society. All boys were trained for the army from age seven. The men were in the army until age 60. They could have wives but they lived separately in army barracks. Preparing for war was central to their culture. They wanted to conquer other city states, take slaves, and take any valuables. Sparta won the long war with Athens, which Sparta started. They had the dominant army though Athens had a much stronger navy. Athens fair minded equality based society lost to a hostile militaristic hateful society. Love isn't the answer Scottish Lassie. We don't want to be another Athens.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 5, 2016 16:32:24 GMT
You know, I LIVE in London and what he says about London is again a PROVABLE LIE. Please stop trying to defend this scumbag who has NO regard for truth. I hate ALL extremists - left, right, religious or otherwise. Why are you soft on right-wing liars and oppressors? Do you live in the East End of London Big Lin ? A lot of things can be developping in a large city without every citizen witnessing it. That 60 Minutes video does a great job of showing us just how bad things are in East London. If I lived in London I'd be lobbying to have them rounded up and evicted from England.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 20:51:23 GMT
Hi Menantol, I said that only love will bring peace to this warlike world and I meant it. The minute someone kills another, that has been accomplished by hate not by love. A person whose heart is filled with love will not harm a hair on anyone's head., that is what I was stating. Love naturally has to be in everyone's heart in order for peace to reign. As long as their is hate there will be war. I hope everything is now clear. Hello Scottish Lassie. I accept that you believe those words as you have uttered versions of them many times. At least you think you believe them. Of course they aren’t true as those who profess love will kill another just as fast as anyone else given the motivations to do so. War does not necessarily require ‘hate’ to be started or to continue. Certainly there are those who do hate those of the other side in a war. There are those who hate others without war. There are those of a ‘loving’ religion who hate those of the ‘other’ loving religions. But hate is not required for any type of aggression. Not knowing those of the other side often leads to aggression. Misunderstanding the motives and goals of others can often lead to aggression. Two parties can dislike and even hate each other but as long as they know the other side, war is unlikely.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jul 7, 2016 15:42:27 GMT
Hi Anna, I am talking about people as a whole. People are motivated by either love or hate, so when there is love in our hearts for each other, then peace will reign.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jul 7, 2016 16:01:29 GMT
Hi Menantol, I still go along with what I said before. If there is love in a person's heart then as far as I am concerned, it is an impossibility for anyone to want to harm another. That is how love affects people who truly love.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 17:06:42 GMT
Hi Menantol, I still go along with what I said before. If there is love in a person's heart then as far as I am concerned, it is an impossibility for anyone to want to harm another. That is how love affects people who truly love. Scottish Lassie, that is like saying that if all flowers smelled good, all flowers would smell good. That can be taken as true but without meaning because the reality is, not all flowers smell good and they never will all smell good. If all people have love for all others, then all people will love each other, but the reality is that not all people have had, do have or will ever have, love in their hearts for all others. That is reality and to not accept that reality is to live in a myth and in fact stand aside as those without love in their hearts do bad things. On the other hand, to accept reality is to learn to live in, and work within, the reality that not all people are loving to all others and with that realization, learn to find ways to live in a world where people do not like each other. Living in a myth doesn’t help anyone.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 7, 2016 18:06:35 GMT
Hi Menantol, I still go along with what I said before. If there is love in a person's heart then as far as I am concerned, it is an impossibility for anyone to want to harm another. That is how love affects people who truly love. Scottish Lassie, that is like saying that if all flowers smelled good, all flowers would smell good. That can be taken as true but without meaning because the reality is, not all flowers smell good and they never will all smell good. If all people have love for all others, then all people will love each other, but the reality is that not all people have had, do have or will ever have, love in their hearts for all others. That is reality and to not accept that reality is to live in a myth and in fact stand aside as those without love in their hearts do bad things. On the other hand, to accept reality is to learn to live in, and work within, the reality that not all people are loving to all others and with that realization, learn to find ways to live in a world where people do not like each other. Living in a myth doesn’t help anyone. It takes two to tango. If you were a Jew who loved Himmler and Htler, they still would have sent you to the gas chamber and stolen the gold fillings out of your teeth. Their hate trumped your love. It is exactly the same with ISIS terrorists. They hate you because you're a Kafir, an unbeliever, not a Muslim.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jul 10, 2016 14:41:38 GMT
Hi Bush Admirer, so we are all like flotsam & jetsam floating in the sea carried hither and thither by the waves?We are all in a position to be able to change our minds, so all anyone needs is the will to do just that.
Why is it that we can't have the frame of mind that works towards having peaceful intentions instead of the hatred that is being displayed at the present time? Why is it that people can seek to harm another human being without a care as to the pain and suffering that it is causing? There surely has to be an answer. Are we all working towards that end?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jul 10, 2016 15:05:40 GMT
Hi Menantol, you are being facetious now. I think there is a difference. Flowers have no say whether they are perfumed or not, but human beings have the ability to think and therefore decide what action to put into practice. It is just as easy to love as it is to hate. Nobody has the right to destroy a life and cause so much suffering to so many people. Something needs to be done to prevent all this carnage. Any ideas? Peaceful ones.!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2016 16:49:38 GMT
Hi Menantol, you are being facetious now. I think there is a difference. Flowers have no say whether they are perfumed or not, but human beings have the ability to think and therefore decide what action to put into practice. It is just as easy to love as it is to hate. Nobody has the right to destroy a life and cause so much suffering to so many people. Something needs to be done to prevent all this carnage. Any ideas? Peaceful ones.!!! Nice selective editing on how you want to respond. Obviously the flower reference was a metaphor, maybe not a good one but a metaphor nonetheless. But then you simply passed over the rest of the response, which was: “ . . . If all people have love for all others, then all people will love each other, but the reality is that not all people have had, do have or will ever have, love in their hearts for all others. . . . . That is reality and to not accept that reality is to live in a myth and in fact stand aside as those without love in their hearts do bad things. . . . . . On the other hand, to accept reality is to learn to live in, and work within, the reality that not all people are loving to all others and with that realization, learn to find ways to live in a world where people do not like each other. Living in a myth doesn’t help anyone. . . “ To begin with you make the mistake of making this singularly between the emotions of ‘love’ and ’hate.’ That is to see humans as two dimensional cartoon characters and that has nothing to do with how people interact. People, both individually and in groups, have the capacity to do great things. They can certainly do things which make life easier on all others. At the same time, they can kill others without a blink of the eye. Both extremes exist and there is far more between those extremes. To live in a world of myth at one end of those extremes is to contribute nothing to lives of these individuals. Such a perspective has nothing to do with making better the lives of others.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 10, 2016 18:14:23 GMT
Why is it that we can't have the frame of mind that works towards having peaceful intentions instead of the hatred that is being displayed at the present time? Why is it that people can seek to harm another human being without a care as to the pain and suffering that it is causing? There surely has to be an answer. Are we all working towards that end? Those are good questions Scottish Lassie. You'd have to ask Muslims why their Quran is so hateful toward non Muslims, and why their Jihadist history of attacking Christians and other non Muslims. And why an incubator for terror groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, Al Queda, Boko Haram, and hateful individuals like the San Bernardino and Orlando shooters.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jul 10, 2016 23:28:00 GMT
Hi Menantol, when a person goes on holiday what do they do? Are they going to choose a place that is dilapidated or are they going to choose somewhere that has great scenery and the accommodation squeaky clean? We plan our actions and choose something that will produce the best experience, that is logical.
Every choice that we make depends on the emotions of love and hate, we are going to gravitate towards a choice that hopefully will be beneficial for our all over wellbeing. We are making decisions all the time and I am sure that we are always trying to improve on our circumstance personally and for the smooth running of life in general.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jul 10, 2016 23:55:12 GMT
Hi Bush Admirer, How come there are thousands of Muslims living in peace in western countries? Because they obey the law of the land, so if THEY can do it, so can others.We have to resolve the present situation somehow. Life is precious as I see it and we could quite easily solve the problem by having a more peaceful attitude, we have to work towards that aim. The question is : how do we do it? I think children need to be taught appropriate behaviour for starters and we need good role models for that to be successful. Any suggestions?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 1:03:20 GMT
Hi Menantol, when a person goes on holiday what do they do? Are they going to choose a place that is dilapidated or are they going to choose somewhere that has great scenery and the accommodation squeaky clean? We plan our actions and choose something that will produce the best experience, that is logical. Every choice that we make depends on the emotions of love and hate, we are going to gravitate towards a choice that hopefully will be beneficial for our all over wellbeing. We are making decisions all the time and I am sure that we are always trying to improve on our circumstance personally and for the smooth running of life in general. No Scottish Lassie. People have choices open to them at any time. Those choices are the result of many different things. Things that have nothing to do with your love and hate, rather, opportunities come from the mix of all those we deal with and they have there own that rarely have (relative to us) have anything to do with love and hate. If we become so self-centered as to view the world as love and hate relative to ourselves we miss the connections with others and become ineffectual and without meaning.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jul 11, 2016 1:27:30 GMT
Hi Menantol, everyone looks after their own best interests or they wouldn't be human. It is unnatural unless you are dealing with children.That is why a mother becomes so emotional after having given birth. She is provided with the hormones that will make sure that she loves her child, and will care for that child despite any inconvenience that might prevail. I won't be changing my opinion any time soon, we as human beings will most always choose to do things that will be of benefit to them in some way, to me that is natural. Everyone is seeking happiness.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 11, 2016 13:37:18 GMT
Hi Bush Admirer, How come there are thousands of Muslims living in peace in western countries? Because they obey the law of the land, so if THEY can do it, so can others.We have to resolve the present situation somehow. Life is precious as I see it and we could quite easily solve the problem by having a more peaceful attitude, we have to work towards that aim. The question is : how do we do it? I think children need to be taught appropriate behaviour for starters and we need good role models for that to be successful. Any suggestions? Peaceful Muslims who integrate into Western Society aren't the problem Scottish Lassie. They're irrelevant. It is the fanatical hard core extremist Muslims, Like ISIS and their supporters, who are the problem. If only 1 in 10, 1 in 100, 1 in 1000, or 1 in 10000 turns out to be a mass murderer then better not to admit any of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 15:15:11 GMT
Hi Menantol, everyone looks after their own best interests or they wouldn't be human. It is unnatural unless you are dealing with children.That is why a mother becomes so emotional after having given birth. She is provided with the hormones that will make sure that she loves her child, and will care for that child despite any inconvenience that might prevail. I won't be changing my opinion any time soon, we as human beings will most always choose to do things that will be of benefit to them in some way, to me that is natural. Everyone is seeking happiness. Stick to the subject you began Scottish Lassie, that is, love, hate. Love and hate is not the same as seeking happiness. There are those who have sought a form of happiness by killing others or by steeling, or any number of things detrimental to others. Again, it is likely very satisfying to live in a world of myth and make believe, but the only way to achieve a meaningful life is to immerse yourself in the real world. Rub elbows with others in the daily challenge of living. Not every moment is a happy endeavor, some moments are downright rotten, but they are life and in that of mixing your sweat with the sweat of others life has meaning, maybe not happiness, but meaning.
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 11, 2016 22:06:30 GMT
Hi Bush Admirer, How come there are thousands of Muslims living in peace in western countries? Because they obey the law of the land, so if THEY can do it, so can others.We have to resolve the present situation somehow. Life is precious as I see it and we could quite easily solve the problem by having a more peaceful attitude, we have to work towards that aim. The question is : how do we do it? I think children need to be taught appropriate behaviour for starters and we need good role models for that to be successful. Any suggestions? Peaceful Muslims who integrate into Western Society aren't the problem Scottish Lassie. They're irrelevant. It is the fanatical hard core extremist Muslims, Like ISIS and their supporters, who are the problem. If only 1 in 10, 1 in 100, 1 in 1000, or 1 in 10000 turns out to be a mass murderer then better not to admit any of them. The total lack of logic in that post is almost unbelievable. I really am disappointed to see you sounding like a Flat Earthist, BA. To say that the fact that the majority of Muslims DO act peacefully within Western Society is 'irrelevant' is rather like saying that the majority of Americans who do NOT commit crimes is 'irrelevant.' If only 1 in 10, 1 in 100, 1 in 1000 or 1 in 10000 turns out to be a murderer then better not to admit ANY Americans to foreign countries. Can't you honestly see how irrational your attitude is? I do despair, sometimes, I really do. If I'm not having to fight the loony left I'm having to fight the rabid right. Why don't all you extremists try and take a deep breath and start working on the basis of facts and logic rather than ignorance and prejudice?
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