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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 26, 2016 18:07:04 GMT
Hi Mwnantol, Why does Big Lin see everything so differently? She says she has personal experience of Islamic beliefs, which what was being dicussed earlier. I have pity for all people who suffer in anyway, which includes people of the Muslim faith. As has been said, young children of the Islamic faith are taught to be who they become as adults.That is why I feel sorry for them. If a subject cannot be resolved? Why keep discussing it? Which what was what was being done. You're right Scottish Lassie we can't resolved the problems of Islam, but we can choose to close our borders and let Muslims work things out among themselves in their Islamic nations and not involve or harm us.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 26, 2016 20:01:54 GMT
Hi Anna, The point is that these people are trying to save their skins, when there were similar conditions in Europe what did the people do then? They crossed borders too in order to escape being killed by the Nazis. Don't Muslims have that right? So what can we do to solve the problem?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 26, 2016 20:26:11 GMT
Re: Islam immigrants. Hi Bush Admirer, people in America are being killed by crazy people not necessarily Muslim, maybe they are Atheist, so does it matter? BTW, I am unable to see videos,so didn't see the ones that you posted.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jun 26, 2016 20:59:16 GMT
Re: Islam immigrants. Hi Bush Admirer, people in America are being killed by crazy people not necessarily Muslim, maybe they are Atheist, so does it matter? BTW, I am unable to see videos,so didn't see the ones that you posted. I don't think you get it Scottish Lassie. Take a look at this photo of an Islamist terrorist proudly holding a severed head. Here is a later photo of that same person now an Iraqi refugee in Germany And here he is in Finland ready to receive refugee benefits while planning his next terror attack Here is a photo of a little Syrian boy parading around proudly with the severed head of an infidel, followed by a group of giddy children. Soon, this young jihadist will be applying for refugee status in the West, that is, if he isn’t here already.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 22:12:49 GMT
Hi Menantol, Why does Big Lin see everything so differently? She says she has personal experience of Islamic beliefs, which was being discussed earlier. I have pity for all people who suffer in anyway, which includes people of the Muslim faith. As has been said, young children of the Islamic faith are taught to be who they become as adults.That is why I feel sorry for them. If a subject cannot be resolved? Why keep discussing it? Which was what was being done. Big Lin will have to speak for herself (and she is certainly capable to do so) as to the reasons for her perspectives. Yes, she has stated multiple times as to her personal experiences with Islam, and obviously implies that they are absolute as to her interpretations. I will suggest that others also have experience with Muslims although it is rarely mentioned. Speaking only for myself, I too have experience with those of Islamic faith. As a teenager, and more significantly in business working with various Muslims from different countries. That you have pity for those who suffer is nice but not pertinent. However, I find your comment, “ . . . young children of the Islamic faith are taught to be who they become as adults.That is why I feel sorry for them. . . “ To be quite arrogant because you are applying your values of ethics and morals on to them and that is not logical nor proper. Those of Islam have a culture, that culture has ethics and morals, and they are true to those ethics and morals. Certainly you (or anyone) can compare the different cultures and determine which is worthy or not worthy or that they are equivalent. However, to imply that they do not have ethics and morals is simply wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 22:13:43 GMT
Hi Anna, The point is that these people are trying to save their skins, when there were similar conditions in Europe what did the people do then? They crossed borders too in order to escape being killed by the Nazis. Don't Muslims have that right? So what can we do to solve the problem? Here Scottish Lassie you are making some wrong assumptions. Certainly there are people who are crossing into Europe to save their lives. By and large these are not Muslims but rather people who are persecuted by Muslims. The Muslims who go to Europe are primarily men who have (in most cases) left their families behind. They come wanting to change whatever European country they are in, to reflect their Islamic values. I can understand their desires but they are in fact invading Europe to make it Islamic. They are not trying to save their skins (as you say) but rather working to expand the Caliphate into and across Europe. This is nothing similar to those who were persecuted and killed by the Nazis. To make such a comparison is way out of line.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 22:14:56 GMT
Re: Islam immigrants. Hi Bush Admirer, people in America are being killed by crazy people not necessarily Muslim, maybe they are Atheist, so does it matter? BTW, I am unable to see videos,so didn't see the ones that you posted. Scottish Lassie, those who have committed the largest mass killings in America (since 2000) are Muslim. I do not understand your reference to Atheists and what it has to do with the subject. You might as well have said Eskimos or the descendants of the Incas.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 26, 2016 23:22:03 GMT
Hi Anna, The point is that these people are trying to save their skins, when there were similar conditions in Europe what did the people do then? They crossed borders too in order to escape being killed by the Nazis. Don't Muslims have that right? So what can we do to solve the problem? The Mideasterners have a right to defend their country from tyranny just as we do.
They don't have a right to flee to another country anymore than we do either. No country is forced to accept immigrants.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 27, 2016 0:11:01 GMT
Hi Anna, The point is that these people are trying to save their skins, when there were similar conditions in Europe what did the people do then? They crossed borders too in order to escape being killed by the Nazis. Don't Muslims have that right? So what can we do to solve the problem? Here Scottish Lassie you are making some wrong assumptions. Certainly there are people who are crossing into Europe to save their lives. By and large these are not Muslims but rather people who are persecuted by Muslims. The Muslims who go to Europe are primarily men who have (in most cases) left their families behind. They come wanting to change whatever European country they are in, to reflect their Islamic values. I can understand their desires but they are in fact invading Europe to make it Islamic. They are not trying to save their skins (as you say) but rather working to expand the Caliphate into and across Europe. This is nothing similar to those who were persecuted and killed by the Nazis. To make such a comparison is way out of line. Of course the major reason why Europe and America are overrun with immigrants is economical. The immigrants want a higher standard of living and then they have the audacity to claim we oppress them after they are fed and taken care of at tax payer expense. Very few of these immigrants are actually persecuted. Even if their nation of origin is under tyrannical rule these immigrants are either part of it or don't do anything to antagonise the tyrants in power.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 18:51:18 GMT
Multiculturalism and Monocultures have been with us since the first tribal separation. As the ages progressed and natural separation between peoples came about, differing perspectives on life came into being. Over time these differing perspectives evolved into quite different cultures, often reflecting the needs of living in certain types of environments. So different at times, there was little chance for peaceful intermixing.
Overtime these cultural differences became quite pronounced and structured how a people would live amongst itself. When coming into contact with others, the (now) existing differences stressed the strangeness of those differences. The more these differing cultures were thrown into intermixing, the more likely the possibility of friction and some degree of warfare.
Each was proud of their culture, and each was tied to the protection of their, each unique cultures. Over time, that culture which is least supported by its people, will most likely diminish and even disappear. That is, these cultures to the degree that they came into contact, there was a form of competition and that one which was either the strongest, or best fitted for the environment would survive and the other would disappear. Generally, this has been a slow and peaceful transition. Sometimes one or the other were more committed to survival through the use of aggression and some degree of warfare would erupt.
This is also affected by the people and their knowledge of their own culture (relative to the other one) and their support of it. As this weakens, it will make those people more susceptible to aggressive nature of the competing culture.
The point is not whether Multiculturalism or Monocultures are part of the environment, but whether the people support or do not support their version of culture. In this case of Islamic culture in contact with Western culture, it should be understood that these two cultures are so very different that living intermixed is a near impossibility. Living not intermixed but in trade contact is about the best that can be hoped for, and even here, the differences can be extreme enough to make such trade difficult at best.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 30, 2016 2:00:40 GMT
Hi Menantol, I believe, because of my experiences, in reincarnation. Therefore I know what is ahead for all who kill, so why shouldn't I feel sorry for them. To feel compassion for others IS pertiinent. Is killing each other and causing pain and suffering the only thing that we know how to do? aren't we ever going to learn? Until we start showing compassion it is for sure that blood and guts will always be the over riding scenario, so things will definitely never be any different. When we change our thoughts, it leads to the beginning of a more caring attitude. Everything starts with a single step.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 30, 2016 4:03:07 GMT
Hi Bush Admirer, By mentioning what your sister in law has observed and therefore realises, has proven a point that I made earlier. You have to show respect, before a person is likely ever to change.
I believe that overall, the American culture is one of respect to all, so it takes that culture to eventually ingrain itself in the mentality of the Muslim people by the 2nd & 3rd generation, so it can happen. You said it couldn't.
Muslims can be integrated into other countries and gradually change their behaviour to those of the countries that they have fled to. They are fleeing from the Russian bombs besides everything else, in other words to save their skin one way or another.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 30, 2016 7:43:55 GMT
Re: Islam immigrants. Hi Bush Admirer, people in America are being killed by crazy people not necessarily Muslim, maybe they are Atheist, so does it matter? BTW, I am unable to see videos,so didn't see the ones that you posted. Scottish Lassie, those who have committed the largest mass killings in America (since 2000) are Muslim. I do not understand your reference to Atheists and what it has to do with the subject. You might as well have said Eskimos or the descendants of the Incas. Hi Menantol, There are either religious people or Atheists Eskimos are a particular race who could very well either be a Christian or any other denomination or ofcourse an Atheist, would you rather have had me mention the lot?
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 30, 2016 7:57:38 GMT
As you can see from this selection of howlers, French (alias Warner) is either a completely ignorant moron or else a deliberately dishonest LIAR. no hon, you gave your opinion, you presented NO facts at all
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 30, 2016 8:06:47 GMT
And it's true of ideologies (such as Islamophobia) where separating fact from fiction is not always possible. Warner is factually WRONG when he attributes the fall of 'classical civilization' to Islam. Not least because it happened two hundred years BEFORE Islam was even invented! But of course he has his own agenda (and he's made a LOT of money out of pushing his hatred and lies) so he never lets TRUTH and FACTS get in the way of his prejudices. I'm going to post some of what I've found about this con-artist and it's very revealing. Not sure about anyone else, but I readily accept your description of Islam as being INVENTED. Can't be more of a fake religion than that. DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) ♫anna♫ @menantol hallucinated is a more accurate term. to anyone who knows anything, it is quite obvious that the baby raper was indulging in a lot of poppy extract while he was seeing nonexistent angels and so on
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 30, 2016 8:24:17 GMT
I don't have much time or energy with all the worry about my husband. Let's try and keep it short and simple. 1 Bill Warner is NOT his real name; his real name is Bill French. Why is he using a pseudonymn? 2 Mistake no 1 - attributing the fall of classical civilization (a dubious concept to begin with - it only really affected the people at the top of the Roman Empire and NOT the ordinary Joes and Josephines) is so unbelievably stupid that the only RATIONAL conclusion is one of the following - he is sloppy and doesn't bother to check his facts; he has taken incorrect information as gospel; or he is deliberately lying. To put it in a nutshell, 'classical civilization' fell in the middle 5th century. Two hundred years BEFORE Islam. What French is saying is literally as foolish as blaming Atahualpa for the American War of Independence, Wallenstein for the Franco-Prussian War, John Adams for the New Deal. And so on and so on. This is SO crass a mistake it really does beggar belief. 3 Mistake no 2 - (if possible, even MORE crass than no 1!) - shock, horror! The Germans (and if it comes to that the Romans) did NOT speak 'Roman.' They spoke Germanic tongues just as the Romans spoke Latin. This really is a howler on the level of making 2 + 2 = 5. 4 Mistake no 3 - he claims Islam has no equivalent of the Ten Commandments which again shows that he is either a lazy idiot who can't do the most BASIC research, a brainwashed zombie who believes lies others tell him or else he is deliberately LYING himself. As I posted in my reply (parts of which I wrote myself and other parts of which I cut and pasted from three other sites) the man is so incapable of distinguishing between fantasy and reality that he has ZERO credibility. 5 Definite LIE no 1 - He claims that 'Traffic cannot move in London streets as Muslims commandeer the streets to pray--a political result based on sharia law.' As I said in my earlier reply, as someone who LIVES in London this is a downright LIE. 6 Definite LIE no 2 - He claims that 'In the schools, only Islamic approved texts can be used. This is based on sharia law. As I said in my earlier post, this is a downright LIE. 7 Definite LIE no 3 - He claims that 'Christians may not speak to Muslims about Christianity, nor may they hand out literature. This is a political result based on sharia law enforced by British courts.' As I posted earlier, that is yet ANOTHER of French alias Warner's downright, factual LIES. 8 Definite LIES nos 4 and 5- He claims that 'Rape by Muslims is so prevalent that Sweden has forbidden the police to collect any data in the investigation that would point to Islam. Rape is part of Islamic doctrine as applied to non-Muslim women.' As I pointed out in my earlier post, rape is specifically CONDEMNED in the Quran (whether it's Muslim or non-Muslim women, so that is yet another LIE; secondly, Sweden has NOT forbidden the police to collect data about Muslim rapists. Yet another LIE - two LIES in one paragraph! 9 Definite LIE no 6 - He claims In London, mass demonstrations by Muslims call for the end of British law and sharia law to rule all people. This political action is based on sharia. As for his claim about 'mass demonstrations' that is yet ANOTHER of his downright LIES. Unlike this clown, I LIVE in London and he's talking complete and utter rubbish. 10 Definite lie no 7 - He claims that 'In some English hospitals, during Ramadan fast (an Islamic religious event) non-Muslims cannot eat where a Muslim can see them. The submission of non-Muslims is based on sharia law.' This is, no surprise, yet ANOTHER of his blatant LIES. Which he compounds by making an ignorant comment about sharia law which shows that he does not even know the most BASIC aspects of it. So yet again he is simply factually WRONG. I could go on (and if necessary I will) but I think those ten points are enough in themselves to show that Bill French alias Bill Warner has ZERO credibility as any kind of 'expert' on Islam. Frankly, this is a man who is supposed to be a physicist. If he turned in a scientific paper as full of elementary howlers, mistakes and downright lies he wouldn't just find it was REJECTED by the scientific community; he would be LAUGHED at. I don't know if there's a male equivalent of the phrase 'brainless bimbo' but if there IS then Bill French alias Bill Warner certainly IS that equivalent! you're doing what you are accusing mr. warner of doing hon.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 30, 2016 8:51:13 GMT
Listen, Anna, French alias Warner IS a merchant of hate. And as I've said till I'm blue in the face, it doesn't matter a tinker's cuss WHO recounts a FACT. French - as I have pointed out - has made NUMEROUS errors of FACT - not just on classical civilisation but on imagining that Germans spoke 'Roman' and he's also told DOWNRIGHT, PROVABLE LIES. He has ZERO credibility as a source and I really wish you'd have the honesty to just ADMIT that he HAS made ELEMENTARY blunders and has told DOWNRIGHT, PROVABLE LIES. Since I've demonstrated that in regard to quite a few of the FACTUALLY FALSE claims he has made, it really doesn't matter a damn if the SPLC has done so as well. The FACT is that French alias Warner has made LOADS of statements that are FACTUALLY FALSE. Now just ADMIT that and get on with it. It really is pretty pathetic that none of his admirers have had the intellectual or moral courage to ADMIT that he has made elementary blunders and told lies. Why are right-wingers so wimpish when they're proved wrong? (And yes, I freely admit left-wingers are just as bad in that respect). sorry hon, but, the FACT is that NOTHING, nada, zip, zilch, none, that you have posted about warren is a fact. the FACT is that EVERYTHING that you posted about warren is a total fabrication, made up out of whole cloth by the intolerant pc bigots
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 30, 2016 8:54:23 GMT
And French is a vicious hate individual. You're entitled to your opinions Big Lin , but all I see are empty accusations and smears pasted from the leftist fascist SPLC. that's because empty accusations and smears are the ONLY things that have been pasted, since that is the ONLY thing splc ever puts out
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 30, 2016 8:59:35 GMT
I've already posted about eight examples of downright LIES by French. If you'd bothered to read my post instead of obsessing about the SPLC then you'd have seen them and recognized them. In the meantime, anyone who can be stupid and crass enough to imagine that Germans spoke 'Roman' is just on that fact alone obviously unworthy of being taken seriously. NOBODY spoke 'Roman' - Germans OR Romans. So let's try and be charitable to French. He has made SO MANY errors of fact - some of them LAUGHABLY absurd - that the only possible explanations (if you don't want to take the view that he's a deliberate liar) are the following: 1 French is a complete idiot 2 French is too lazy to bother to check his facts before he posts what he thinks 3 French simply accepts as gospel the lies he's been fed by sources who agree with his own prejudices. Now one of those three MUST be the case if you reject the view that he is deliberately LYING. So what do you think? Is he a fool? Is he too lazy to check his facts? Does he simply recycle inaccuracies from other people? Whichever of the four explanations is correct - the fool, the liar, the lazy man or the second-hand recycler of propaganda - any one of them destroys his credibility. He has ZERO credibility simply because of these FUNDAMENTAL errors both in content and in methodology. not one single FACT there at all. you are simply repeating the lies of the splc
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 30, 2016 9:23:01 GMT
Going back and reading some of these past postings it seems that we (as a group) often try to develop a written defense to allegations often not made. For example, Big Lin posted: “ . . . And now the pretence that 'Islam' invented slavery. . . . Honestly, don't you guys ever READ any history? . . . . Slavery has been around for THOUSANDS of years before Islam and I don't think many US slaveowners were Muslim if it comes to that - or British ones in the West Indies. . . . . So let's have some HONESTY rather than just bigoted and ignorant DISTORTION of the truth. . . . . “ Unless I missed something, this appears to be a defense for assertions that were never made. I do not believe that anyone ever suggested that Islam ever invented slavery. Slavery has existed in many societies and cultures, in a number of forms as far back as historic evidence can be found. It is true that slave owners in the United States, or anyplace in the Americas for that matter, were not Muslims and I do not believe anyone stated as such, another defense made in a vacuum. In fact the only contact of Muslims to the Americas until well past the Civil War. However, without the societal element in Africa of Islamic development of, and the maintaining slaves, and the support of the slave trade, it is unlikely that slaves would been available to be acquired and used in the Americas, certainly not in the numbers used. Here I suggest that making such defensive statements against allegations never made, is as lacking in veracity as any statement of misdirection, intended or not. At the very least such comments to do not contribute to a positive interaction. red herrings have been around forever also. we've seen many of them
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