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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 18:36:33 GMT
Brigitte Gabriel is one of the few who speak the truth and does so in the face of the Political Correct Apologists, in the face of the Left Leaning Politicos and Progressives supporters of government over Individual Freedoms. She speaks much the same as Dr. Sebastian Gorka, and yes, include Bill Warner, in this rather small group of truth speakers. However, as the reality of Islam and the Caliphate become increasingly obvious, more people are joining the describing of what is going on.
Yes, not all of Muslims are terrorists, but 160 million to 300 million of them are active and/or susceptible to direct support of those who are Islamic terrorists. Moreover, I suggest (my opinion) that the remaining Muslims when face with a choice of supporting Islamic terrorist or Western culture, nearly all will support the Islamic terrorist.
There is nothing new here as we have 1,400 years of factual history on which to draw.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 1, 2016 21:30:28 GMT
Brigitte Gabriel is one of the few who speak the truth and does so in the face of the Political Correct Apologists, in the face of the Left Leaning Politicos and Progressives supporters of government over Individual Freedoms. She speaks much the same as Dr. Sebastian Gorka, and yes, include Bill Warner, in this rather small group of truth speakers. However, as the reality of Islam and the Caliphate become increasingly obvious, more people are joining the describing of what is going on. Yes, not all of Muslims are terrorists, but 160 million to 300 million of them are active and/or susceptible to direct support of those who are Islamic terrorists. Moreover, I suggest (my opinion) that the remaining Muslims when face with a choice of supporting Islamic terrorist or Western culture, nearly all will support the Islamic terrorist. There is nothing new here as we have 1,400 years of factual history on which to draw. Bingo!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 1:27:28 GMT
In my words, we are discussing (as many others are discussing) the contacts between two cultures, one being Western culture and one being Islamic culture. Obviously we do not all view this contact in the same light.
Generally, such a subject would begin with some agreeing as to historic events, but even here this has been more disagreement than finding any common ground. Even sources are more the cause of separation than agreement. This is a subject which to a large degree is driven by personal perspectives and agendas.
Clearly Islam overran much of Northern Africa as well as that which had been Persia. It is also clear that there was no reason, other than a desire to conquer and spread Islam, for Islam to move into Europe from Iberia through Constantinople. In so doing Islam made the Mediterranean dangerous for other countries to conduct trade with the result of those European countries increasingly traveling overland.
The idea that the 'classical world' was 'destroyed' by Western barbarians, is a concept outside of academia focused history and represents more of a public mythical belief. During the years of Roman inroads into Europe the rulers of that land were those representing the Celtic speaking people. These the Romans often referred to as Gaul, and Gallic peoples. Theirs was a sophisticated level of culture known as the ‘La Tene’. They had improved iron technology, lived in fortified towns, with trade and monetized markets. They expanded into Britain, Northern and Central Spain, Northern Italy, and the Balkens. In 390 BCE a Gallic army sacked Rome and in 281 – 277 BCE they successfully invaded into Macedon, as well as Northern Greece, and also crossed into Asia. These were what were known as Barbarians.
However, to think of them as savages always at war with Rome is a myth as they contributed to the foundations of Rome’s rule of northern Europe, as due to commerce, settlement, and military service these (barbarian) Celts and the Romans together created new provincial Roman Societies.
Certainly there were wars and contention between the various people of Europe, but they also worked together and laid the foundations of trade. That is, until the invasions of Islam throughout Europe which were to conquer and not being focused on trade.
Now I’m sure I’ll be accused of getting this all from Bill Warner, but none of it came from him. However, if anyone wants to check into this somewhat deeper, then access the following as a few of the available sources:
Professor Kenneth W. Harl - Coinage in the Roman Economy, 300 B.C. to A.D. 700, 1996, Stephen Dyson – Creation of the Roman frontier, Herbert Schutze – The prehistory of Germanic Europe.
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 3, 2016 22:34:47 GMT
No, sweetiepie, I presented EIGHT examples of FACTS which showed CLEARLY that French is either a complete moron or a deliberate liar or (my own personal opinion) both. I'll gladly repost them if you want your memory refreshed but let's start with the most obvious blunder. Do you seriously believe the Germans spoke 'Roman?' French claims they DID. So he's either a fool or a liar. No two ways about it/ no hon. NOTHING that comes from the racist splc is fact. try and find some facts to back up your claim. you have to get it from a legitimate source, and not from a bunchof racist bigots Yes, sweetiepie, a FACT is a FACT whatever the source. It's a simple FACT that the Germans did NOT speak Roman - in fact, no one does or ever HAS spoken 'Roman.' It's literally as foolish as suggesting that Europeans speak European or Africans African, Australians Australian, Canadians Canadian and so on. Now just stop pretending to be silly, dear Jim; I know you're not too wimpish to admit when you're wrong (in this case because you believed the propaganda of a man who is either a complete fool or a deliberate liar or - possibly - both.)
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 3, 2016 22:49:05 GMT
I'll investigate this Big Lin , but I suspect that Latin was pretty garbled up with dialects just like French has been replaced with Parisien in Paris nowadays. From the Roman occupation the Germanic tribes certainly had some knowledge of Latin and could probably make themselves understood. It's typical of SPLC to present some opinion as a fact and smear. I could argue to that many English don't speak English, but rather a dialect. That doesn't mean that invaders with a knowlege of English couldn't communicate with them.
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 3, 2016 23:02:07 GMT
I'll investigate this Big Lin , but I suspect that Latin was pretty garbled up with dialects just like French has been replaced with Parisien in Paris nowadays. From the Roman occupation the Germanic tribes certainly had some knowledge of Latin and could probably make themselves understood. It's typical of SPLC to present some opinion as a fact and smear. I could argue to that many English don't speak English, but rather a dialect. That doesn't mean that invaders with a knowlege of English couldn't communicate with them. Anna, it is NOT a 'smear' to suggest that the Germans - or anyone else - didn't speak 'Roman.' 'Roman' is NOT A LANGUAGE anymore than European or African or Australian or Canadian is. The Romans spoke LATIN - it's a simple FACT that NOBODY did, past or present, EVER speak something called 'Roman.' The smear is to suggest that French is a trustworthy source when he posts so many PROVABLY FALSE statements that it's beyond a joke. He is either a clown or a liar or both.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 3, 2016 23:15:10 GMT
I'll investigate this Big Lin , but I suspect that Latin was pretty garbled up with dialects just like French has been replaced with Parisien in Paris nowadays. From the Roman occupation the Germanic tribes certainly had some knowledge of Latin and could probably make themselves understood. It's typical of SPLC to present some opinion as a fact and smear. I could argue to that many English don't speak English, but rather a dialect. That doesn't mean that invaders with a knowlege of English couldn't communicate with them. Anna, it is NOT a 'smear' to suggest that the Germans - or anyone else - didn't speak 'Roman.' 'Roman' is NOT A LANGUAGE anymore than European or African or Australian or Canadian is. The Romans spoke LATIN - it's a simple FACT that NOBODY did, past or present, EVER speak something called 'Roman.' The smear is to suggest that French is a trustworthy source when he posts so many PROVABLY FALSE statements that it's beyond a joke. He is either a clown or a liar or both. Shortening the "language of the Romans" to the "Roman language" ( Latin or dialects ) is no big deal IMO. The proper word for the dialect of Rome, which has changed greatly during time is "Romanesco" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanesco_dialect . www.friesian.com/decdenc1.htmMy link describes the Ostrigoths as literate and having been previously enslaved by the Romans. They must have understood the language. They weren't the ignorant barbarians that some may portray them as.
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 4, 2016 0:03:57 GMT
Anna, it is NOT a 'smear' to suggest that the Germans - or anyone else - didn't speak 'Roman.' 'Roman' is NOT A LANGUAGE anymore than European or African or Australian or Canadian is. The Romans spoke LATIN - it's a simple FACT that NOBODY did, past or present, EVER speak something called 'Roman.' The smear is to suggest that French is a trustworthy source when he posts so many PROVABLY FALSE statements that it's beyond a joke. He is either a clown or a liar or both. Shortening the "language of the Romans" to the "Roman language" ( Latin or dialects ) is no big deal IMO. The proper word for the dialect of Rome, which has changed greatly during time is "Romanesco" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanesco_dialect . www.friesian.com/decdenc1.htmMy link describes the Ostrigoths as literate and having been previously enslaved by the Romans. They must have understood the language. They weren't the ignorant barbarians that some may portray them as. Look, just stop trying to defend the indefensible. French is FACTUALLY, PROVABLY WRONG. No one EVER spoke ROMAN; they spoke Latin and of course various dialects and corrupt versions of Latin. Frankly, I'm going to hospital with Mike tomorrow morning and I really don't need this sort of nonsense. It's a provable FACT that French is wrong. Just as he is about almost everything else he says. You know, I LIVE in London and what he says about London is again a PROVABLE LIE. Please stop trying to defend this scumbag who has NO regard for truth. I hate ALL extremists - left, right, religious or otherwise. Why are you soft on right-wing liars and oppressors?
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 4, 2016 0:06:17 GMT
Brigitte Gabriel is one of the few who speak the truth and does so in the face of the Political Correct Apologists, in the face of the Left Leaning Politicos and Progressives supporters of government over Individual Freedoms. She speaks much the same as Dr. Sebastian Gorka, and yes, include Bill Warner, in this rather small group of truth speakers. However, as the reality of Islam and the Caliphate become increasingly obvious, more people are joining the describing of what is going on. Yes, not all of Muslims are terrorists, but 160 million to 300 million of them are active and/or susceptible to direct support of those who are Islamic terrorists. Moreover, I suggest (my opinion) that the remaining Muslims when face with a choice of supporting Islamic terrorist or Western culture, nearly all will support the Islamic terrorist. There is nothing new here as we have 1,400 years of factual history on which to draw. Bingo! # Well, a selective reading of 1400 years of history. Not quite the same thing. The trouble with conservatives is that, like leftists, when push comes to shove they always side with authority against the people.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 4, 2016 0:23:47 GMT
Please Big Lin relax. A lot of people talk about the American language or the Australian language. Maybe it is a nationalist tendency to replace the word 'dialect' with 'language'. Latin like Oxford English wasn't spoken in it's pure form by many. Best wishes for Mike!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2016 0:45:33 GMT
In an earlier posting I offered a view of the reference to ‘speaking Roman’ and that such a use of the term 'Roman' would have meant the linguistic Babylon of the Roman world. I won’t quote the entire thing again, but to speak Roman was to live in a sea of multiple language with multiple levels of Latin and multiple levels of Greek, as well as the various Germanic languages and the other Celtic versions.
For the SPLC to mis-define this reality is seemingly by intention, but then they have rarely allowed the truth to be a barrio to a political agenda.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 4, 2016 2:10:12 GMT
# Well, a selective reading of 1400 years of history. Not quite the same thing. The trouble with conservatives is that, like leftists, when push comes to shove they always side with authority against the people. No no Lin, you've got that backwards. It is liberals who side with governments and conservatives who side with the people. It isn't the people who want to let all these Muslim immigrants in. No way. It is the loopy EU government in Brussels along with left leaning governments in countries like Sweden. If the people were to decide, I think they'd round up all the Muslims and export them to the border with instructions to go away and stay away forever.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jul 4, 2016 6:23:39 GMT
no hon. NOTHING that comes from the racist splc is fact. try and find some facts to back up your claim. you have to get it from a legitimate source, and not from a bunchof racist bigots Yes, sweetiepie, a FACT is a FACT whatever the source. It's a simple FACT that the Germans did NOT speak Roman - in fact, no one does or ever HAS spoken 'Roman.' It's literally as foolish as suggesting that Europeans speak European or Now just stop pretending to be silly, dear Jim; I know you're not too wimpish to admit when you're wrong (in this case because you believed the propaganda of a man who is either a complete fool or a deliberate liar or - possibly - both.) nothing foolish about it hon. it's just simple FACT, although, africans speak afrikaner. americans speak american. australians DO speak austraLian. the british speak british. NO ONE speaks english english. everyone speaks their country's version of english
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Post by iamjumbo on Jul 4, 2016 6:28:44 GMT
# Well, a selective reading of 1400 years of history. Not quite the same thing. The trouble with conservatives is that, like leftists, when push comes to shove they always side with authority against the people. No no Lin, you've got that backwards. It is liberals who side with governments and conservatives who side with the people. It isn't the people who want to let all these Muslim immigrants in. No way. It is the loopy EU government in Brussels along with left leaning governments in countries like Sweden. If the people were to decide, I think they'd round up all the Muslims and export them to the border with instructions to go away and stay away forever. that's just the simple reality.the people of europe never agreed to allow the hordes of muzzies into their countries. it was solely the worthless trash that they have for leaders, such as merkel, who follows the imbecilic eu dictates against the will of the people who have caused the problems
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 4, 2016 21:28:44 GMT
In an earlier posting I offered a view of the reference to ‘speaking Roman’ and that such a use of the term 'Roman' would have meant the linguistic Babylon of the Roman world. I won’t quote the entire thing again, but to speak Roman was to live in a sea of multiple language with multiple levels of Latin and multiple levels of Greek, as well as the various Germanic languages and the other Celtic versions. For the SPLC to mis-define this reality is seemingly by intention, but then they have rarely allowed the truth to be a barrio to a political agenda. Nor do Islamophobes it seems. Now I'm getting rather sick of feeling like I'm a teacher addressing a bunch of 5-year old kids. The simple FACT is that NO ONE - now or EVER - not at ANY time in history - spoke a language called ROMAN. The language of the Roman Empire was Latin. NOT Roman. Why don't you just accept that French is - as usual - FACTUALLY WRONG? I'm beginning to feel like I'm addressing a convention of Flat-Earthists!
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 4, 2016 21:40:24 GMT
Please Big Lin relax. A lot of people talk about the American language or the Australian language. Maybe it is a nationalist tendency to replace the word 'dialect' with 'language'. Latin like Oxford English wasn't spoken in it's pure form by many. Best wishes for Mike! Anna, I get deeply offended by FALSEHOOD. French has made NUMEROUS statements that are downright FALSE. The 'Roman' one is simply the most obviously stupid - so stupid that even a 5-year old kid would see through it. But I've posted a while back now EIGHT examples of PROVABLY, FACTUALLY FALSE statements that he's made (nearly all of which, by the way, I KNOW to be false from direct personal experience). Now to me French is an evil man pushing an agenda of hate on the basis of FALSEHOOD. And that HAS to be resisted. Truth always has to win out over lies and propaganda. Frankly as someone who is not only deeply passionate and knowledgeable about history but who knows several professional historians, French offends me deeply because he is deliberately telling LIES about the past. It really is that simple. His version of 'history' is about as credible as the account 'Mein Kampf' gives of the 'Jewish peril.' Frankly he's a disgusting little toerag and ought to crawl back under the rock he slimed his way out of. The sheer volume of factual errors he makes is beyond belief. If you actually look at the Islamic world at its height you'll find that 'most of Christianity' was NOT conquered by the Muslims. But truth has no meaning to the likes of French. Any more than it did to Goebbels or Stalin.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2016 22:02:20 GMT
In an earlier posting I offered a view of the reference to ‘speaking Roman’ and that such a use of the term 'Roman' would have meant the linguistic Babylon of the Roman world. I won’t quote the entire thing again, but to speak Roman was to live in a sea of multiple language with multiple levels of Latin and multiple levels of Greek, as well as the various Germanic languages and the other Celtic versions. For the SPLC to mis-define this reality is seemingly by intention, but then they have rarely allowed the truth to be a barrio to a political agenda. Nor do Islamophobes it seems. Now I'm getting rather sick of feeling like I'm a teacher addressing a bunch of 5-year old kids. The simple FACT is that NO ONE - now or EVER - not at ANY time in history - spoke a language called ROMAN. The language of the Roman Empire was Latin. NOT Roman. Why don't you just accept that French is - as usual - FACTUALLY WRONG? I'm beginning to feel like I'm addressing a convention of Flat-Earthists! Big Lin, you can refer to all of us or some of us as 5-year old kids or Flat-Earthists or those accused of Islamophobia or any disparaging descriptive term that you want, but that will make little difference as from my perspective you are not reading what is written here. The City of Rome was a world community in that it was comprised of all sorts of people and cultures. Obviously they spoke Latin and did so as representing differing versions of societal groups within the Latin world. So too with Greek as it was the language of the educated and the language of logical interchanges of rhetoric, and there were languages of the Germanic peoples in all of the differing Celtic people languages, and obviously there was Hebrew, and on and on and on. The acceptance and use of multiple languages was a very Roman trait in that they did little to force people to change their local beliefs and activities and so too with language. To speak Roman was to speak in the languages of Rome. That doesn’t seem difficult to understand.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 4, 2016 22:37:09 GMT
Please Big Lin relax. A lot of people talk about the American language or the Australian language. Maybe it is a nationalist tendency to replace the word 'dialect' with 'language'. Latin like Oxford English wasn't spoken in it's pure form by many. Best wishes for Mike! Anna, I get deeply offended by FALSEHOOD. French has made NUMEROUS statements that are downright FALSE. The 'Roman' one is simply the most obviously stupid - so stupid that even a 5-year old kid would see through it. But I've posted a while back now EIGHT examples of PROVABLY, FACTUALLY FALSE statements that he's made (nearly all of which, by the way, I KNOW to be false from direct personal experience). Now to me French is an evil man pushing an agenda of hate on the basis of FALSEHOOD. And that HAS to be resisted. Truth always has to win out over lies and propaganda. Frankly as someone who is not only deeply passionate and knowledgeable about history but who knows several professional historians, French offends me deeply because he is deliberately telling LIES about the past. It really is that simple. His version of 'history' is about as credible as the account 'Mein Kampf' gives of the 'Jewish peril.' Frankly he's a disgusting little toerag and ought to crawl back under the rock he slimed his way out of. The sheer volume of factual errors he makes is beyond belief. If you actually look at the Islamic world at its height you'll find that 'most of Christianity' was NOT conquered by the Muslims. But truth has no meaning to the likes of French. Any more than it did to Goebbels or Stalin. Big Lin I understand you have a very rigid definition of words as we've seen with the definition of "liberal" that you use for yourself which is very different from "Obama liberalism" or other leftist ideologies.
The phrase "Roman language is used by other researchers too. prezi.com/5wdzgaaqukf6/roman-language/ QUOTE: www.crystalinks.com/romelanguage.html QUOTE: Ancient Roman Language and Scripts www.legendsandchronicles.com/ancient-civilizations/ancient-rome/language-of-the-ancient-romans/ QUOTE: Latin and the other Roman languages www.danxner.com/extramaterials/art003/Final_Project/language.htm QUOTE:
Roman Language: Written and Spoken Roman language - definition of Roman language by The Free Dictionary www.thefreedictionary.com/Roman+language study.com/academy/lesson/legacies-of-roman-literature-language-law.html QUOTE: Legacies of Roman Literature, Language & Law In this lesson, you will explore the legacies of Roman language Lin I just picture Dr. Warren trying to reconstruct these historical events and wishing to avoid going off on a linguistic tangent by NOT saying the Germanic tribes spoke Latin or Romanesco.
"The Germanic tribes ( Goths, etc. ) spoke the Roman language" is simply understood as the "language of the Romans" by most readers.... Of course the nit picking, pedantic SPLC wants to bring down Dr. Warren at all costs.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 5, 2016 12:06:39 GMT
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 5, 2016 12:31:12 GMT
You know, I LIVE in London and what he says about London is again a PROVABLE LIE. Please stop trying to defend this scumbag who has NO regard for truth. I hate ALL extremists - left, right, religious or otherwise. Why are you soft on right-wing liars and oppressors? Do you live in the East End of London Big Lin ? A lot of things can be developping in a large city without every citizen witnessing it.
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