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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 23, 2016 15:10:14 GMT
I've already posted about eight examples of downright LIES by French. If you'd bothered to read my post instead of obsessing about the SPLC then you'd have seen them and recognized them. In the meantime, anyone who can be stupid and crass enough to imagine that Germans spoke 'Roman' is just on that fact alone obviously unworthy of being taken seriously. NOBODY spoke 'Roman' - Germans OR Romans. So let's try and be charitable to French. He has made SO MANY errors of fact - some of them LAUGHABLY absurd - that the only possible explanations (if you don't want to take the view that he's a deliberate liar) are the following: 1 French is a complete idiot 2 French is too lazy to bother to check his facts before he posts what he thinks 3 French simply accepts as gospel the lies he's been fed by sources who agree with his own prejudices. Now one of those three MUST be the case if you reject the view that he is deliberately LYING. So what do you think? Is he a fool? Is he too lazy to check his facts? Does he simply recycle inaccuracies from other people? Whichever of the four explanations is correct - the fool, the liar, the lazy man or the second-hand recycler of propaganda - any one of them destroys his credibility. He has ZERO credibility simply because of these FUNDAMENTAL errors both in content and in methodology. Big Lin I suspect Latin was deteriorating at that time. Even a lot of English speakers can't formulate a sentence without the f-word in it. Invaders usually have enough knowledge of the language of the conquered nation to give commands. It's not a mistake to say the English speak Brit now since hardly anyone prefers to speak Oxford English. Other European languages are being systematically dumbed down and deteriorating as well.
5 Definite LIE no 1 - He claims that 'Traffic cannot move in London streets as Muslims commandeer the streets to pray--a political result based on sharia law.' As I said in my earlier reply, as someone who LIVES in London this is a downright LIE. speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.204/britain-may-be-an-islamic-nation-within-20-years.html QUOTE: Already there are problems with Muslims taking to the streets of London and Paris on Fridays to observe prayers. Streets become jammed with faithful Muslims who create several blocks of traffic congestion. Though there are laws against such public gatherings, authorities usually look the other way.UNQUOTE
Muslim prayer practices have at times disrupted traffic in Paris, London, Los Angeles, etc..they do it intentionally and confront and challenge Western civilisation with this. Muslim countries would draconically punish any public prayer by non-Muslims in their cities. Political correctness entitles Muslims to be hostile towards non Muslim prayer in their lands . Dr. Warren is taking the right to speak harshly about Muslim prayer in Western cities just as Muslims would speak even more harshly of non Muslim prayer inconvencing them in their nations. Why the preferential SPLC treatment of Islam keeping non Islam practices suppressed in their lands and vitriol towards Dr. Warren for his harsh words minus the actions that Muslims would use.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jun 23, 2016 17:18:58 GMT
JUDGE ISLAM BY THEIR ACTIONS, NOT THEIR WORDS Jan 01 to Jun 17, 2016 , 1079 Islamic attacks in 48 countries, 10132 people were killed and 12061 injured. During 2015 there were 2865 Islamic attacks in 53 countries, 27626 people were killed and 26149 injured. During 2014 there were 3001 Islamic attacks in 55 countries, 32863 people were killed and 27522 injured. During 2013 there were 2822 Islamic attacks in 50 countries, 16775 people were killed and 29577 injured During 2012 there were 2480 Islamic attacks in 58 countries, 11546 people were killed and 20254 injured. During 2011 there were 1986 Islamic attacks in 58 countries, 9086 people were killed and 16921 injured. During 2010 there were 2023 Islamic attacks in 48 countries, 9233 people were killed and 17461 injured. During 2009 there were 2131 Islamic attacks in 40 countries, 9176 people were killed and 18612 injured. During 2008 there were 2212 Islamic attacks in 42 countries, 10798 people were killed and 18088 injured. During 2007 there were 3096 Islamic attacks in 45 countries, 20478 people were killed and 27317 injured. During 2006 there were 2779 Islamic attacks in 42 countries, 15245 people were killed and 19496 injured. During 2005 there were 1845 Islamic attacks in 38 countries, 7625 people were killed and 12855 injured. During 2004 there were 1115 Islamic attacks in 37 countries, 7166 people were killed and 14574 injured. During 2003 there were 870 Islamic attacks in 33 countries, 3273 people were killed and 6772 injured. During 2002 there were 667 Islamic attacks in 24 countries, 2849 people were killed and 6055 injured. 2001 after 9/11 there were 177 Islamic attacks in 13 countries, 3537 people were killed and 3561 injured. TOTAL = 28,624 Islamic Jihad attacks from 9/11/2001 to June 17, 2016 Reference Link… www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/christianattacks.aspxFind out WHY they are killing nonbelievers... www.politicalislam.com/Islamic Jihad killed approximately 270 million during the last 1400 years. Reference Link... www.politicalislam.com/tearsofjihad/A chart released by the Senate Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest details the surge in immigration to the U.S. from majorityMuslim countries since President Barack Obama took office in 2009. The first six fiscal years of Obama’s presidency (FY 2009 - FY 2014 ), his administration issued 832,014 green cards to migrants majorityMuslim countries. We can expect over 1 million Muslim migrants on Obama’s watch by 2016. Refugees apply for a green card which entitles recipients to access federal benefits, lifetime residency, work authorization, and a direct route to becoming a U.S. citizen. Barack Hussein Obama Quotes: “The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer. Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance. I have made clear that America is not, and never will be, at war with Islam. We will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities. We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation. As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam. Islam has the only holy books commanding their followers to LIE & KILL. The written “religious doctrine” is perfect and cannot be changed . Criticism or questions are not tolerated. Leaving Islam is punishable by cruel torture & death. Islam will always be at war because the “doctrine” cannot be changed. So called moderate Muslims don’t have the power to rewrite or change the holy books. The goal is world domination by killing nonbelievers. No one has been able to stop Islamic killing for 1400 years. There are quite a few inaccuracies in your post, BA. Let's start with the most obvious one. Islam does NOT have 'the only holy books commanding their followers to lie and kill.' The Bible does; so do some of the Hindu scriptures; so straight away that Judaism and Christianity and Hinduism , all of which DO have holy books commanding their followers to lie and kill. Nor is it true that Islamic doctrine cannot be changed. It HAS been and frankly IF what you said was true (which it isn't) then all Muslims would agree when, even to the most ignorant and prejudiced eyes, that's just NOT the case. ISIS for instance does many things that are specifically FORBIDDEN in the Quran. There are also fierce differences over the interpretation of various passages in the Quran and also fierce differences over the interpretation of the Hadiths. So the FACTS show that your statement is simply FALSE. And 'the goal is world domination by killing non-believers' - honestly, what paranoid science fiction fantasy did you drag that up from? The Quran makes it clear that it wants to convert people but a) it does NOT regard Christians, Jews or Zoroastrians as being 'non-believers' - they are 'people of the book' and 'dimmis' but NOT non-believers; yet ANOTHER factual error - deliberate lie? b) it also makes it clear that peaceful conversion is always better than forced conversion and although it certainly gives incentives for conversion it does NOT mandate 'killing non-believers.' Yet another FACTUAL ERROR. Now what's interesting me is how quiet you've gone on French alias Warner since I exposed him as making ELEMENTARY errors of FACT and posting statements that were downright LIES. Why is that? Are you so unwilling to accept that your guru has been found out and exposed as a fool and a liar? Finding inconsistencies in a lengthy treatise doesn't mean the author is a fool or a liar. I think Warner is generally credible though their may be a few debatable points in his many presentations. The important thing is not to find a detail that can be debated. The important thing is main thrust or central argument(s). As my post above opens with, "JUDGE ISLAM BY THEIR ACTIONS, NOT THEIR WORDS." The list of attacks comprises a great body of confirmable data. This is a compilation of facts. These are the actions we should be judging Islam by. One of ISIS websites just posted this guide for murdering people. Individual wolves are people like the San Bernardino and Orlando killers. ISIS is providing them with many alternate ideas for how to kill people without having access to guns or bombs. This includes Knives, Cars, Bats, Poison, Etc. The people they want to kill are, you guessed it, unbelievers, like you and me. These ISIS terrorists are Jihadi warriors emulating their hero Mohammad, and attempting to create a caliphate that emulates Mohammad, their prophet. They're just a modern extension of like minded Jihadis who have attacked Kafir societies for fourteen centuries. Their 'wolves' are Muslim immigrants. When Third World immigrants commit mass murder, the government and media tell us it's a gun problem. Or it's "our" culture. Or it's "homophobia." Or we have to keep admitting millions of Muslims because otherwise the ones already here will REALLY hate us. Isn't that extortion? We've already admitted millions of Muslim immigrants, but if we don't take in millions more, the ones we've admitted will go on killing sprees? How did we get in the position where we're screwed if we're not in the good graces of the Muslim community? Maybe we should stop doing that. Why do we need this? How are our current immigration policies helping the people who already live here? How are they making our countries better, stronger, safer?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 23, 2016 21:12:07 GMT
JUDGE ISLAM BY THEIR ACTIONS, NOT THEIR WORDS Jan 01 to Jun 17, 2016 , 1079 Islamic attacks in 48 countries, 10132 people were killed and 12061 injured. During 2015 there were 2865 Islamic attacks in 53 countries, 27626 people were killed and 26149 injured. During 2014 there were 3001 Islamic attacks in 55 countries, 32863 people were killed and 27522 injured. During 2013 there were 2822 Islamic attacks in 50 countries, 16775 people were killed and 29577 injured During 2012 there were 2480 Islamic attacks in 58 countries, 11546 people were killed and 20254 injured. During 2011 there were 1986 Islamic attacks in 58 countries, 9086 people were killed and 16921 injured. During 2010 there were 2023 Islamic attacks in 48 countries, 9233 people were killed and 17461 injured. During 2009 there were 2131 Islamic attacks in 40 countries, 9176 people were killed and 18612 injured. During 2008 there were 2212 Islamic attacks in 42 countries, 10798 people were killed and 18088 injured. During 2007 there were 3096 Islamic attacks in 45 countries, 20478 people were killed and 27317 injured. During 2006 there were 2779 Islamic attacks in 42 countries, 15245 people were killed and 19496 injured. During 2005 there were 1845 Islamic attacks in 38 countries, 7625 people were killed and 12855 injured. During 2004 there were 1115 Islamic attacks in 37 countries, 7166 people were killed and 14574 injured. During 2003 there were 870 Islamic attacks in 33 countries, 3273 people were killed and 6772 injured. During 2002 there were 667 Islamic attacks in 24 countries, 2849 people were killed and 6055 injured. 2001 after 9/11 there were 177 Islamic attacks in 13 countries, 3537 people were killed and 3561 injured. TOTAL = 28,624 Islamic Jihad attacks from 9/11/2001 to June 17, 2016 Reference Link… www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/christianattacks.aspxFind out WHY they are killing nonbelievers... www.politicalislam.com/Islamic Jihad killed approximately 270 million during the last 1400 years. Reference Link... www.politicalislam.com/tearsofjihad/A chart released by the Senate Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest details the surge in immigration to the U.S. from majorityMuslim countries since President Barack Obama took office in 2009. The first six fiscal years of Obama’s presidency (FY 2009 - FY 2014 ), his administration issued 832,014 green cards to migrants majorityMuslim countries. We can expect over 1 million Muslim migrants on Obama’s watch by 2016. Refugees apply for a green card which entitles recipients to access federal benefits, lifetime residency, work authorization, and a direct route to becoming a U.S. citizen. Barack Hussein Obama Quotes: “The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer. Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance. I have made clear that America is not, and never will be, at war with Islam. We will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities. We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation. As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam. Islam has the only holy books commanding their followers to LIE & KILL. The written “religious doctrine” is perfect and cannot be changed . Criticism or questions are not tolerated. Leaving Islam is punishable by cruel torture & death. Islam will always be at war because the “doctrine” cannot be changed. So called moderate Muslims don’t have the power to rewrite or change the holy books. The goal is world domination by killing nonbelievers. No one has been able to stop Islamic killing for 1400 years. There are quite a few inaccuracies in your post, BA. Let's start with the most obvious one. Islam does NOT have 'the only holy books commanding their followers to lie and kill.' The Bible does; so do some of the Hindu scriptures; so straight away that Judaism and Christianity and Hinduism , all of which DO have holy books commanding their followers to lie and kill. Nor is it true that Islamic doctrine cannot be changed. It HAS been and frankly IF what you said was true (which it isn't) then all Muslims would agree when, even to the most ignorant and prejudiced eyes, that's just NOT the case. ISIS for instance does many things that are specifically FORBIDDEN in the Quran. There are also fierce differences over the interpretation of various passages in the Quran and also fierce differences over the interpretation of the Hadiths. So the FACTS show that your statement is simply FALSE. And 'the goal is world domination by killing non-believers' - honestly, what paranoid science fiction fantasy did you drag that up from? The Quran makes it clear that it wants to convert people but a) it does NOT regard Christians, Jews or Zoroastrians as being 'non-believers' - they are 'people of the book' and 'dimmis' but NOT non-believers; yet ANOTHER factual error - deliberate lie? b) it also makes it clear that peaceful conversion is always better than forced conversion and although it certainly gives incentives for conversion it does NOT mandate 'killing non-believers.' Yet another FACTUAL ERROR. Now what's interesting me is how quiet you've gone on French alias Warner since I exposed him as making ELEMENTARY errors of FACT and posting statements that were downright LIES. Why is that? Are you so unwilling to accept that your guru has been found out and exposed as a fool and a liar? We can suspect that Judith deceived or lied to the Assyrian general Holofernes in the Old Testament/Torah who she assassinated, although it is not stated clearly. The Jewish "Kol Nidre" doesn't seem to promote world conquest and/or forcing unbelievers to convert or die as Muslim fundamentalists often understand Islam and taqiya en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya .
Lying to nonbelievers who are honorable does not appear to be supported in the Bible. Christ's parable of the Good Samaritan ( an unbeliever ) would be inconceivable in Islam where unbelievers are mocked, vilified, killed and never praised unless it's a taqiya tactic. edfromct.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/bible-study-is-lying-every-permitted/
Fair discussions must admit that Islamic scriptures are very military conquest orientated. The Old Testament reads more like a history book with a religious slant which describes how Judaen and Israelite Kings often turned away from God/Yahweh and converted to other religions and previous conquests were lost.
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 23, 2016 21:41:07 GMT
There are quite a few inaccuracies in your post, BA. Let's start with the most obvious one. Islam does NOT have 'the only holy books commanding their followers to lie and kill.' The Bible does; so do some of the Hindu scriptures; so straight away that Judaism and Christianity and Hinduism , all of which DO have holy books commanding their followers to lie and kill. Nor is it true that Islamic doctrine cannot be changed. It HAS been and frankly IF what you said was true (which it isn't) then all Muslims would agree when, even to the most ignorant and prejudiced eyes, that's just NOT the case. ISIS for instance does many things that are specifically FORBIDDEN in the Quran. There are also fierce differences over the interpretation of various passages in the Quran and also fierce differences over the interpretation of the Hadiths. So the FACTS show that your statement is simply FALSE. And 'the goal is world domination by killing non-believers' - honestly, what paranoid science fiction fantasy did you drag that up from? The Quran makes it clear that it wants to convert people but a) it does NOT regard Christians, Jews or Zoroastrians as being 'non-believers' - they are 'people of the book' and 'dimmis' but NOT non-believers; yet ANOTHER factual error - deliberate lie? b) it also makes it clear that peaceful conversion is always better than forced conversion and although it certainly gives incentives for conversion it does NOT mandate 'killing non-believers.' Yet another FACTUAL ERROR. Now what's interesting me is how quiet you've gone on French alias Warner since I exposed him as making ELEMENTARY errors of FACT and posting statements that were downright LIES. Why is that? Are you so unwilling to accept that your guru has been found out and exposed as a fool and a liar? Finding inconsistencies in a lengthy treatise doesn't mean the author is a fool or a liar. I think Warner is generally credible though their may be a few debatable points in his many presentations. The important thing is not to find a detail that can be debated. The important thing is main thrust or central argument(s). As my post above opens with, "JUDGE ISLAM BY THEIR ACTIONS, NOT THEIR WORDS." The list of attacks comprises a great body of confirmable data. This is a compilation of facts. These are the actions we should be judging Islam by. One of ISIS websites just posted this guide for murdering people. Individual wolves are people like the San Bernardino and Orlando killers. ISIS is providing them with many alternate ideas for how to kill people without having access to guns or bombs. This includes Knives, Cars, Bats, Poison, Etc. The people they want to kill are, you guessed it, unbelievers, like you and me. These ISIS terrorists are Jihadi warriors emulating their hero Mohammad, and attempting to create a caliphate that emulates Mohammad, their prophet. They're just a modern extension of like minded Jihadis who have attacked Kafir societies for fourteen centuries. Their 'wolves' are Muslim immigrants. When Third World immigrants commit mass murder, the government and media tell us it's a gun problem. Or it's "our" culture. Or it's "homophobia." Or we have to keep admitting millions of Muslims because otherwise the ones already here will REALLY hate us. Isn't that extortion? We've already admitted millions of Muslim immigrants, but if we don't take in millions more, the ones we've admitted will go on killing sprees? How did we get in the position where we're screwed if we're not in the good graces of the Muslim community? Maybe we should stop doing that. Why do we need this? How are our current immigration policies helping the people who already live here? How are they making our countries better, stronger, safer? The IMPORTANT thing is that French alias Warner has made ELEMENTARY errors of FACT as well as a number of other PROVABLY FALSE statements. So how do you explain that? Laziness? Stupidity? Taking inaccurate information as gospel because it comes from people who support his own prejudices? Or downright lying? Those are the ONLY possible explanations. So why are you right-wingers too wimpish to admit that he's a busted flush and has been exposed as either a fool or a liar or both? Just have the guts to ADMIT that he is factually wrong and has ZERO credibility.
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 23, 2016 21:44:49 GMT
Finding inconsistencies in a lengthy treatise doesn't mean the author is a fool or a liar. I think Warner is generally credible though their may be a few debatable points in his many presentations. The important thing is not to find a detail that can be debated. The important thing is main thrust or central argument(s). As my post above opens with, "JUDGE ISLAM BY THEIR ACTIONS, NOT THEIR WORDS." The list of attacks comprises a great body of confirmable data. This is a compilation of facts. These are the actions we should be judging Islam by. One of ISIS websites just posted this guide for murdering people. Individual wolves are people like the San Bernardino and Orlando killers. ISIS is providing them with many alternate ideas for how to kill people without having access to guns or bombs. This includes Knives, Cars, Bats, Poison, Etc. The people they want to kill are, you guessed it, unbelievers, like you and me. These ISIS terrorists are Jihadi warriors emulating their hero Mohammad, and attempting to create a caliphate that emulates Mohammad, their prophet. They're just a modern extension of like minded Jihadis who have attacked Kafir societies for fourteen centuries. Their 'wolves' are Muslim immigrants. When Third World immigrants commit mass murder, the government and media tell us it's a gun problem. Or it's "our" culture. Or it's "homophobia." Or we have to keep admitting millions of Muslims because otherwise the ones already here will REALLY hate us. Isn't that extortion? We've already admitted millions of Muslim immigrants, but if we don't take in millions more, the ones we've admitted will go on killing sprees? How did we get in the position where we're screwed if we're not in the good graces of the Muslim community? Maybe we should stop doing that. Why do we need this? How are our current immigration policies helping the people who already live here? How are they making our countries better, stronger, safer? The IMPORTANT thing is that French alias Warner has made ELEMENTARY errors of FACT as well as a number of other PROVABLY FALSE statements. So how do you explain that? Laziness? Stupidity? Taking inaccurate information as gospel because it comes from people who support his own prejudices? Or downright lying? Those are the ONLY possible explanations. So why are you right-wingers too wimpish to admit that he's a busted flush and has been exposed as either a fool or a liar or both? Just have the guts to ADMIT that he is factually wrong and has ZERO credibility. The TRUTH or FALSEHOOD of what someone says is what matters. French has made NUMEROUS statements that are PROVABLY FALSE. Just accept that what he has to say is worthless simply BECAUSE of his disregard for TRUTH and FACTS.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 1:20:18 GMT
I have been involved with other things of late and have had little time to offer thoughts relative to these recent dialogs. However, I have tried to stay current on reading them. In reading postings such as have been offered here obviously the content is important. At the same time, when sources are used and noted, these become significant when attempting to judge the veracity of assertions by the poster.
No matter the position taken by the poster, this subject of (what I will term) the clash of Islamic cultures and Western cultures is of import. At the same time any analysis is complex, at best. Simply trying to ascertain accurate facts, concerning what happened and when could be a lifetime of committed effort. Add to this the reality that what is being discussed is societal, is religious, is structure of government, and what should be reasonable dialog can become near flaming with reason being the victim.
Here I see this more or less as representation of two positions. One is support of Islam and the other is support of Western culture. And yet from my perspective I see a somewhat different perspective, that is, that these two cultures are so different that trying to mix the two is a near (if not total) impossibility. That when comparing the two finding common ground is difficult at best. For example, to make an assertion that one is not moral requires first defining and agreeing what is the moral foundation that such judgements are made (that is a near impossibility). However, it should be understood that both are moral in the context of their own culture, but that those moral foundations are not the same.
During the last 1,400 years when the two cultures have come into contact, not just close contact but intermixing, such has resulted in strong resistance (from both) as well as attempts for one to try to eliminate the other. It should be obvious that the foundational ethics and morals of these two cultures exist in both but are quite incompatible with each other. These differences continue into types of government, approaches to economics, and to the role and importance of the individual.
These differences often extend to sources used to develop foundations. For example, anyone supportive of Islam will find the offerings of Bill Warner to be at best distasteful and wrong to the point of being self-serving to the gaining of personal goals. They will find his conclusions to be more than wrong and at the very least argumentative. And yet, this particular video of his which displays battles, killings, the slave trade, and the control of the economic trade, in the Mediterranean, as initiated by Islam into Europe would be hard to dismiss as they actually happened and they were initiated by Islam. In other words, those supportive of Western Culture will find this truthful and clear. No matter which side someone stands for it represents a clashing of these two cultures with disastrous results for both.
Personally I find the current situation to largely be the fault of governments of the West in that they stand on more than 3,000 years of cultural evolution with the rights of the individual as primary, and yet these Western governments do not represent this cultural evolution and (to a large extent) accept other cultures as morally equivalent, but that isn’t true. This has allowed the movement of cultures into the West and in such a manner that they are considered to have the right to install their way of living in the West. That this is ignorant (on behalf of the West) is clear. This will lead to greater contention between the two cultures and without some societal safety-valve a major event will come to pass.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 24, 2016 14:29:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 20:09:50 GMT
Going back and reading some of these past postings it seems that we (as a group) often try to develop a written defense to allegations often not made. For example, Big Lin posted:
“ . . . And now the pretence that 'Islam' invented slavery. . . . Honestly, don't you guys ever READ any history? . . . . Slavery has been around for THOUSANDS of years before Islam and I don't think many US slaveowners were Muslim if it comes to that - or British ones in the West Indies. . . . . So let's have some HONESTY rather than just bigoted and ignorant DISTORTION of the truth. . . . . “
Unless I missed something, this appears to be a defense for assertions that were never made. I do not believe that anyone ever suggested that Islam ever invented slavery. Slavery has existed in many societies and cultures, in a number of forms as far back as historic evidence can be found.
It is true that slave owners in the United States, or anyplace in the Americas for that matter, were not Muslims and I do not believe anyone stated as such, another defense made in a vacuum. In fact the only contact of Muslims to the Americas until well past the Civil War. However, without the societal element in Africa of Islamic development of, and the maintaining slaves, and the support of the slave trade, it is unlikely that slaves would been available to be acquired and used in the Americas, certainly not in the numbers used.
Here I suggest that making such defensive statements against allegations never made, is as lacking in veracity as any statement of misdirection, intended or not. At the very least such comments to do not contribute to a positive interaction.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jun 24, 2016 20:14:53 GMT
Could be she was referring to one of the posted videos which pointed out the fact that Muslims took many more black African slaves and trekked them north than were ever shipped to the Americas. It was also reported that black male slaves were often castrated to prevent them from reproducing.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jun 24, 2016 20:34:25 GMT
U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch said this week, after the Orlando massacre, that our most powerful weapon against people like Omar Mateen is “love.” She wants us to show love toward murderous Islamic Jihadist terrorists.
She is wrong. Love won't work and would not have worked against the Nazis or the totalitarians in the Stalin's Soviet state.
We are facing another totalitarian enemy that will not be negotiated with and that will not stop unless every “infidel” is enslaved or crushed. That truth is impossible for this President and his bubble-dwelling coterie to believe. As a result, we will continue to face an escalating risk until we have a change of administration.
The question is, will the new Commander-in-Chief perpetuate the lies and distortions of the last eight years or finally talk truthfully about the incarnate Evil that we face and what it will take to destroy it?
I know Trump would. Hillary, on the other hand, will say whatever the overnight popularity poll tells her to say.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 24, 2016 21:34:46 GMT
U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch said this week, after the Orlando massacre, that our most powerful weapon against people like Omar Mateen is “love.” She wants us to show love toward murderous Islamic Jihadist terrorists. She is wrong. Love won't work and would not have worked against the Nazis or the totalitarians in the Stalin's Soviet state. We are facing another totalitarian enemy that will not be negotiated with and that will not stop unless every “infidel” is enslaved or crushed. That truth is impossible for this President and his bubble-dwelling coterie to believe. As a result, we will continue to face an escalating risk until we have a change of administration. The question is, will the new Commander-in-Chief perpetuate the lies and distortions of the last eight years or finally talk truthfully about the incarnate Evil that we face and what it will take to destroy it? I know Trump would. Hillary, on the other hand, will say whatever the overnight popularity poll tells her to say. This nutty lady is the personification of political correctness which is in reality some kind of Stockholm syndrome. She's also encouraging more jihadists to strike just like DR pen pals feed the murder cult. Shocking that this sick lady represents the US government.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jun 24, 2016 22:03:33 GMT
"Shocking that this sick lady represents the US government."
Truer words were never spoken. It is pathetic.
Just watching her on TV News, I shake my head and wonder, how could Obama appoint this woman as Attorney General. I think the criteria must have been to get someone who is black and female. She is both of those. I don't think competency was ever in play.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 25, 2016 0:27:43 GMT
Could be she was referring to one of the posted videos which pointed out the fact that Muslims took many more black African slaves and trekked them north than were ever shipped to the Americas. It was also reported that black male slaves were often castrated to prevent them from reproducing. Hi Bush Admirer, I guess MIGHT IS ALWAYS RIGHT, by your standards. As far as I am concerned, only love ever has a chance, certainly not hate. TIT for TAT behaviour just goes ON & ON or haven't you noticed?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 0:56:10 GMT
Could be she was referring to one of the posted videos which pointed out the fact that Muslims took many more black African slaves and trekked them north than were ever shipped to the Americas. It was also reported that black male slaves were often castrated to prevent them from reproducing. Hi Bush Admirer, I guess MIGHT IS ALWAYS RIGHT, by your standards. As far as I am concerned, only love ever has a chance, certainly not hate. TIT for TAT behaviour just goes ON & ON or haven't you noticed? Scottish Lassie spoke in a reply to BushAdsmirer with, “ . . . Hi Bush Admirer, I guess MIGHT IS ALWAYS RIGHT, by your standards. As far as I am concerned, only love ever has a chance, certainly not hate. TIT for TAT behaviour just goes ON & ON or haven't you noticed? . . . “ I believe Scottish Lassie that you have totally misconstrued the point. First you have to understand your own cultural base, understand its values, understand the role of love with in it. Then, if you are dealing with someone who has a value system similar to your own, respect for that other, even love, has a place and can be understood and work to make a difference. However, if you are dealing with someone who believes just as deeply in their culture, and those two cultures are so different as to be alien to each other. If that difference is so great that that this other culture is incarnate evil relative to your cultural values then love will not work. If that love is seen by the other culture as a weakness to be used to eliminate your culture and you, then for you to use love is to despise your own culture. At some point you must be able to stand on the values of your own culture in the face of what is alien to your culture and face it down. If that means using some version of might, then that is what you use. If you are not willing to stand against what is evil to your culture, then your culture has no meaning. The absence of love is not always hate, but rather simply facing reality.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 25, 2016 1:30:26 GMT
To Whoever, This discussion on past History is already sillines in progress, you just haven't noticed.!!! When it has become a TIT FOR TAT response, then it is already stupid to the extreme.!!! Let's rather put our heads together and think of a way to resolve the dilemma of there being so much hatred & violence in this day and age.
We know most situations have their beginning in the past but surely we don't need a History lesson to be reminded of that? It is monotonous or aren't you aware? I want what is happening today to be resolved, and what is not happening? The world is full of problems of all kinds, let's touch on some of them. The way I see it, without love, we will always have wars, so this is really what we should be discussing. Give us more LOVE!!! LOVE!!! LOVE!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 25, 2016 1:51:06 GMT
Hi Menantol, Going over old ground repeatedly is not resolving anything, so it IS stupidity to be harping on about Islam etc. There are atrocities happening all the time & not always to do with Islam. It seems we as a race of people go out of our way, to squabble over the least thing, and as far as I can see wars only quench the hatred and resultant carnage for a short while, then off we go again filled with the same anger and pointless behaviour. We apparently have the ' warring tribe mentality ' of times past. SICK!!! SICK!!! SICK!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 25, 2016 1:54:44 GMT
By the way, I am unable to see videos at any time.!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 2:01:55 GMT
To Whoever, This discussion on past History is already sillines in progress, you just haven't noticed.!!! When it has become a TIT FOR TAT response, then it is already stupid to the extreme.!!! Let's rather put our heads together and think of a way to resolve the dilemma of there being so much hatred & violence in this day and age. We know most situations have their beginning in the past but surely we don't need a History lesson to be reminded of that? It is monotonous or aren't you aware? I want what is happening today to be resolved, and what is not happening? The world is full of problems of all kinds, let's touch on some of them. The way I see it, without love, we will always have wars, so this is really what we should be discussing. Give us more LOVE!!! LOVE!!! LOVE!!! I’m not sure Scottish Lassie, but at a guess it appears that you aren’t getting the answers you like or want. That is okay, but what you seem to want may not have any foundation in reality and therefore be meaningless in at least some environments. Others have tried the glad-hand of love in response to acts of others. And when dealing with those of similar views, it can have positive affect. However, there are some situations where it will not work and can simply make things worse. There are those who want you to believe a specific way and anything short of that they will not accept. There are people who view the acts of others as not representative of what they want, and therefore such acts are considered weakness and not worthy of recognition. Ask the Tibetan Monks. The gentle people who approached things as you suggest, today, except for those who ran away, they are no more. Their love of the invaders was no more than a wisp of smoke that floated away into nothingness. Yet when these same invaders faced others who stood up to them millions of people were saved. It isn’t that love cannot be affective but rather that it must be applied in the right way at the right time. When you are dealing with those who would actually prefer to kill you unless you give up all you believe in and follow them, your love is wrongly applied and detrimental to your own beliefs. You can water a rock all you want but it won’t grow no matter how strongly you wish it to do so. What is suggested is not tit for tat, it is recognizing reality, standing on what you believe and acting in a way to support your beliefs. History is the teacher of reality. But you don’t have to learn that history and instead you can just become that wisp of smoke.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 2:30:10 GMT
Hi Menantol, Going over old ground repeatedly is not resolving anything, so it IS stupidity to be harping on about Islam etc. There are atrocities happening all the time & not always to do with Islam. It seems we as a race of people go out of our way, to squabble over the least thing, and as far as I can see wars only quench the hatred and resultant carnage for a short while, then off we go again filled with the same anger and pointless behaviour. We apparently have the ' warring tribe mentality ' of times past. SICK!!! SICK!!! SICK!!! Going over old ground? Hardly! This is a matter of facing reality or not facing reality. People can hide from reality seeking only to live with the shadow of reality flickering on the cave wall with the long gone Greeks. Or, we can face reality and actually go out among the people in the ways they live. Look at what has been accomplished in a mere 30,000 years or so. Billions of people have shelter, billions of people are fed. Here we are talking with each other nearly instantaneously from opposite sides of the earth. We’ve place people deep in the oceans, and on the moon. We can travel to any place in the world in hours. We meet and talk with people who have very different ways of believing. Yes, we fight, and we also make peace. We save people from the most terrible diseases. We have the knowledge of the ages in untold libraries around the world. We have developed plants and animals to serve our needs in ways that only a few short years ago were not even thought of. We can take water and convert it into energy and make it available to people in ways less expensive and easier than the making of a fire in the wild. The positive aspects of what we do, of what we have done, far outweigh the negatives. You may not want to look at history, and certainly there is no reason that you have to do so. But that history, has put the cloths on your back, the food in your mouth. Built a place to protect you from the weather. You do not have to sweat and strain every waking hour just to gain a morsel of food and die before the age of forty, and you have leisure time to do, whatever you want to do. All those things and more, you have and that history informs you of it. But certainly you don’t have to bother with history. You don’t have to bother with others who have very different and alien ways of life relative to yours. You can even complain about what you don’t like and don’t want to hear about, and you can choose to hold hands with Alice and go down the rabbit hole. People have provided all of this for you and history tells you all about it. But don’t you don’t have to view that reality, because if you just turn around there is Alice within the looking glass beckoning you to join her in that myth. But I’ll stay in the reality and the history and mix my sweat with the sweat of others.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 25, 2016 2:32:55 GMT
Hi,Menantol,We are never as wisps of smoke but as Soul, we are a unit of Awarenss.!!! which is quite different. As long as there is retaliation, we will never have peace and that is what most of us are hoping for.
What is reality? Isn't it just how people decide to behave and keep going on in like manner,surely we can change? We don't have to keep pontificating along the same lines, we surely must learn at some point.?
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