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Post by ariel on Nov 11, 2016 7:57:30 GMT
The majority of Americans are apparently idiots. And you should be frightened. Very frightened. . Well, they're claiming Hillary won the majority (the popular vote) of votes, so perhaps you're right. She did. And the Electoral College is a mess. Given it's population, California alone should have 199 electoral votes (and most people don't understand the Electoral College, so, consequently, don't know how to challenge it.) I'm part of the protests in front of Trump Tower. We'll protest as long as we have to and write to anyone in government and the press who will listen. Many people here are in shock.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2016 10:04:38 GMT
Well, they're claiming Hillary won the majority (the popular vote) of votes, so perhaps you're right. She did. And the Electoral College is a mess. Given it's population, California alone should have 199 electoral votes (and most people don't understand the Electoral College, so, consequently, don't know how to challenge it.) I'm part of the protests in front of Trump Tower. We'll protest as long as we have to and write to anyone in government and the press who will listen. Many people here are in shock. your protests will do no good, you cannot over turn the election result !
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Post by ariel on Nov 11, 2016 15:38:58 GMT
She did. And the Electoral College is a mess. Given it's population, California alone should have 199 electoral votes (and most people don't understand the Electoral College, so, consequently, don't know how to challenge it.) I'm part of the protests in front of Trump Tower. We'll protest as long as we have to and write to anyone in government and the press who will listen. Many people here are in shock. your protests will do no good, you cannot over turn the election result ! You are forgetting one important thing: I have a future, and I am going to be part of the change that needs to come.
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Post by ariel on Nov 11, 2016 15:47:31 GMT
The majority of Americans are apparently idiots. And you should be frightened. Very frightened. . Well, they're claiming Hillary won the majority (the popular vote) of votes, so perhaps you're right. She did, and the Electoral College is outdated. When it was put into place, Alexander Hamilton wanted representatives to cast the votes for the people - presumably educated and thinking people (as mobs can get unruly.) But he saw the danger in this, too. Now, we have a situation where entire swaths of the population are under-represented. If electoral votes were fairly distributed, California alone would have 199 votes. (Which would have gone to Hillary Clinton.) And the Electoral College was devised when there were only 13 colonies and California was still part of Mexico. Bush v. Gore should have been the wake-up call. But we did it again, and this one has potentially even more dire consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2016 16:38:21 GMT
your protests will do no good, you cannot over turn the election result ! You are forgetting one important thing: I have a future, and I am going to be part of the change that needs to come. Still doesn't change the fact you are stuck with the result of the election , vote again in 4 years time .
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Post by blc on Nov 11, 2016 19:55:05 GMT
Well, they're claiming Hillary won the majority (the popular vote) of votes, so perhaps you're right. She did, and the Electoral College is outdated. When it was put into place, Alexander Hamilton wanted representatives to cast the votes for the people - presumably educated and thinking people (as mobs can get unruly.) But he saw the danger in this, too. Now, we have a situation where entire swaths of the population are under-represented. If electoral votes were fairly distributed, California alone would have 199 votes. (Which would have gone to Hillary Clinton.) And the Electoral College was devised when there were only 13 colonies and California was still part of Mexico. Bush v. Gore should have been the wake-up call. But we did it again, and this one has potentially even more dire consequences. We may never know the exact number of votes. Your little situational example with California is exactly why the Electoral College exists. To prevent one state from calling all the shots! Sorry to burst that little bubble of yours. November 11, 2016 By Steve Feinstein Hillary wins the popular vote – notOkay, let’s address this “Hillary might win the popular vote, isn’t that Electoral College situation just awful” thing head on. No, it’s not awful. It’s great, and it protects the importance of your vote. It’s also uniquely American and demonstrates yet again the once-in-creation brilliance of the Founding Fathers. First of all, she’s probably not going to win the actual number of votes cast. She may win the number of votes counted, but not the votes cast. States don’t count their absentee ballots unless the number of outstanding absentee ballots is larger than the state margin of difference. If there is a margin of 1,000 votes counted and there are 1,300 absentee ballots outstanding, then the state tabulates those. If the number of outstanding absentee ballots wouldn’t influence the election results, then the absentee ballots aren’t counted.
Who votes by absentee ballot? Students overseas, the military, businesspeople on trips, etc. The historical breakout for absentee ballots is about 67-33% Republican. In 2000, when Al Gore “won” the popular vote nationally by 500,000 votes and the liberal media screamed bloody murder, there were 2 million absentee ballots in California alone. A 67-33 breakout of those yields a 1.33- to 0.667-million Republican vote advantage, so Bush would have gotten a 667,000-vote margin from California’s uncounted absentee ballots alone! So much for Gore’s 500,000 popular vote “victory.” (That was the headline on the N.Y. Times, and it was the lead story on NBC Nightly News, right? No? You’re kidding.) Getting back to the “win the popular vote/lose the Electoral College” scenario: Thank G-d we have that, or else California and N.Y. would determine every election. Every time.I’ll draw a boxing analogy for you. In boxing, the scoring for a completed fight (one where there’s no knockout, but instead goes the full distance) is done either on a Rounds basis or a Points basis (agreed upon in advance). Let’s say it’s a 10-round fight, scored on the Rounds basis. The judges decide which boxer wins each round, and the fight is scored 7-3 or 6-4 or 8-2. The other way a fight can be scored is on the Points basis. Under this system, a fighter is given 10 points for winning the round, and the loser gets 1-9 points, depending on how close or badly he loses it. Let’s say Jones has two really big rounds where he knocks Jackson down a few times and really has him in trouble, winning those two rounds by scores of 10-6. But Jones wins only two other rounds, and those by very close 10-9 margins. Jackson wins the 6 other rounds, all by 10-9 margins. No question that Jackson won those six rounds, but they weren’t overly dramatic. Just solid wins. So Jackson wins by rounds, 6-4. Jones wins by points, 94-90. California and N.Y. are the 10-6 rounds. Those two states will unduly and disproportionately affect the election – every time. The other big-population states are all 10-9 rounds. That means that the vast majority of 48 states and their populations will be subject to the whim and desire of just two states. If those two states have similar demographics and voting preferences at any particular point in time (which they do now), then those two states call the shots for the entire country. But the Electoral College brilliantly smooths out the variances in the voting proclivities among states and regions. Farmers in the middle of the country and importers and exporters on the shore get roughly equal say, as do Madison Ave. execs and factory workers in Tennessee.
Shortcomings? Sure. The E.C. can make an R vote meaningless in a very few heavily D states or vice versa. But without the Electoral College, the country’s entire population is subject to the disproportionate voting preferences of the few most populous states.
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Post by ladydi on Nov 12, 2016 1:59:47 GMT
Those who are protesting, burning the American flag and more need added in that band wagon of those being deported. THEN just maybe you will realize how good you had it in America! Stop crying over spilt milk and give the guy a chance! I bet the majority of those rebelling did not even vote but they want to bitch!
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Post by ariel on Nov 12, 2016 12:22:16 GMT
She did, and the Electoral College is outdated. When it was put into place, Alexander Hamilton wanted representatives to cast the votes for the people - presumably educated and thinking people (as mobs can get unruly.) But he saw the danger in this, too. Now, we have a situation where entire swaths of the population are under-represented. If electoral votes were fairly distributed, California alone would have 199 votes. (Which would have gone to Hillary Clinton.) And the Electoral College was devised when there were only 13 colonies and California was still part of Mexico. Bush v. Gore should have been the wake-up call. But we did it again, and this one has potentially even more dire consequences. We may never know the exact number of votes. Your little situational example with California is exactly why the Electoral College exists. To prevent one state from calling all the shots! Sorry to burst that little bubble of yours. November 11, 2016 By Steve Feinstein Hillary wins the popular vote – notOkay, let’s address this “Hillary might win the popular vote, isn’t that Electoral College situation just awful” thing head on. No, it’s not awful. It’s great, and it protects the importance of your vote. It’s also uniquely American and demonstrates yet again the once-in-creation brilliance of the Founding Fathers. First of all, she’s probably not going to win the actual number of votes cast. She may win the number of votes counted, but not the votes cast. States don’t count their absentee ballots unless the number of outstanding absentee ballots is larger than the state margin of difference. If there is a margin of 1,000 votes counted and there are 1,300 absentee ballots outstanding, then the state tabulates those. If the number of outstanding absentee ballots wouldn’t influence the election results, then the absentee ballots aren’t counted.
Who votes by absentee ballot? Students overseas, the military, businesspeople on trips, etc. The historical breakout for absentee ballots is about 67-33% Republican. In 2000, when Al Gore “won” the popular vote nationally by 500,000 votes and the liberal media screamed bloody murder, there were 2 million absentee ballots in California alone. A 67-33 breakout of those yields a 1.33- to 0.667-million Republican vote advantage, so Bush would have gotten a 667,000-vote margin from California’s uncounted absentee ballots alone! So much for Gore’s 500,000 popular vote “victory.” (That was the headline on the N.Y. Times, and it was the lead story on NBC Nightly News, right? No? You’re kidding.) Getting back to the “win the popular vote/lose the Electoral College” scenario: Thank G-d we have that, or else California and N.Y. would determine every election. Every time.I’ll draw a boxing analogy for you. In boxing, the scoring for a completed fight (one where there’s no knockout, but instead goes the full distance) is done either on a Rounds basis or a Points basis (agreed upon in advance). Let’s say it’s a 10-round fight, scored on the Rounds basis. The judges decide which boxer wins each round, and the fight is scored 7-3 or 6-4 or 8-2. The other way a fight can be scored is on the Points basis. Under this system, a fighter is given 10 points for winning the round, and the loser gets 1-9 points, depending on how close or badly he loses it. Let’s say Jones has two really big rounds where he knocks Jackson down a few times and really has him in trouble, winning those two rounds by scores of 10-6. But Jones wins only two other rounds, and those by very close 10-9 margins. Jackson wins the 6 other rounds, all by 10-9 margins. No question that Jackson won those six rounds, but they weren’t overly dramatic. Just solid wins. So Jackson wins by rounds, 6-4. Jones wins by points, 94-90. California and N.Y. are the 10-6 rounds. Those two states will unduly and disproportionately affect the election – every time. The other big-population states are all 10-9 rounds. That means that the vast majority of 48 states and their populations will be subject to the whim and desire of just two states. If those two states have similar demographics and voting preferences at any particular point in time (which they do now), then those two states call the shots for the entire country. But the Electoral College brilliantly smooths out the variances in the voting proclivities among states and regions. Farmers in the middle of the country and importers and exporters on the shore get roughly equal say, as do Madison Ave. execs and factory workers in Tennessee.
Shortcomings? Sure. The E.C. can make an R vote meaningless in a very few heavily D states or vice versa. But without the Electoral College, the country’s entire population is subject to the disproportionate voting preferences of the few most populous states.Nope. I'm calling you out at your first sentence. The electoral college was put into place when there were thirteen colonies. California and New York have populations of medium-sized nations. The tiny states are over-represented, and the areas of tremendous population are very under-represented. We already have a Senate set-up that way. A person's vote is sacred, and we should be fairly represented, or we need an amendment to remove the electoral college. This will be in the works after this tragedy.
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Post by ariel on Nov 12, 2016 12:24:40 GMT
You are forgetting one important thing: I have a future, and I am going to be part of the change that needs to come. Still doesn't change the fact you are stuck with the result of the election , vote again in 4 years time . You're damn right that we're voting again. In the meantime, we're holding this monster's feet to the fire. We will be out there every day if we have to.
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Post by ariel on Nov 12, 2016 12:31:26 GMT
Those who are protesting, burning the American flag and more need added in that band wagon of those being deported. THEN just maybe you will realize how good you had it in America! Stop crying over spilt milk and give the guy a chance! I bet the majority of those rebelling did not even vote but they want to bitch! He had his chance. He proved himself to be a deplorable human being who brags about assaulting women, threatens to deport people based on their religion, and attempts to silence the press. He's a con-artist and he's #notourPresident.
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Post by ariel on Nov 12, 2016 12:33:08 GMT
We will know the precise number of votes. It's called counting.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 15:18:13 GMT
Still doesn't change the fact you are stuck with the result of the election , vote again in 4 years time . You're damn right that we're voting again. In the meantime, we're holding this monster's feet to the fire. We will be out there every day if we have to. In the meantime you've got 4 years of Trump whether you like it or not.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 15:19:03 GMT
Those who are protesting, burning the American flag and more need added in that band wagon of those being deported. THEN just maybe you will realize how good you had it in America! Stop crying over spilt milk and give the guy a chance! I bet the majority of those rebelling did not even vote but they want to bitch! He had his chance. He proved himself to be a deplorable human being who brags about assaulting women, threatens to deport people based on their religion, and attempts to silence the press. He's a con-artist and he's #notourPresident. Lol you haven't given him a chance he isn't even in office until January !
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Post by blc on Nov 12, 2016 17:23:21 GMT
We may never know the exact number of votes. Your little situational example with California is exactly why the Electoral College exists. To prevent one state from calling all the shots! Sorry to burst that little bubble of yours. November 11, 2016 By Steve Feinstein Hillary wins the popular vote – notOkay, let’s address this “Hillary might win the popular vote, isn’t that Electoral College situation just awful” thing head on. No, it’s not awful. It’s great, and it protects the importance of your vote. It’s also uniquely American and demonstrates yet again the once-in-creation brilliance of the Founding Fathers. First of all, she’s probably not going to win the actual number of votes cast. She may win the number of votes counted, but not the votes cast. States don’t count their absentee ballots unless the number of outstanding absentee ballots is larger than the state margin of difference. If there is a margin of 1,000 votes counted and there are 1,300 absentee ballots outstanding, then the state tabulates those. If the number of outstanding absentee ballots wouldn’t influence the election results, then the absentee ballots aren’t counted.
Who votes by absentee ballot? Students overseas, the military, businesspeople on trips, etc. The historical breakout for absentee ballots is about 67-33% Republican. In 2000, when Al Gore “won” the popular vote nationally by 500,000 votes and the liberal media screamed bloody murder, there were 2 million absentee ballots in California alone. A 67-33 breakout of those yields a 1.33- to 0.667-million Republican vote advantage, so Bush would have gotten a 667,000-vote margin from California’s uncounted absentee ballots alone! So much for Gore’s 500,000 popular vote “victory.” (That was the headline on the N.Y. Times, and it was the lead story on NBC Nightly News, right? No? You’re kidding.) Getting back to the “win the popular vote/lose the Electoral College” scenario: Thank G-d we have that, or else California and N.Y. would determine every election. Every time.I’ll draw a boxing analogy for you. In boxing, the scoring for a completed fight (one where there’s no knockout, but instead goes the full distance) is done either on a Rounds basis or a Points basis (agreed upon in advance). Let’s say it’s a 10-round fight, scored on the Rounds basis. The judges decide which boxer wins each round, and the fight is scored 7-3 or 6-4 or 8-2. The other way a fight can be scored is on the Points basis. Under this system, a fighter is given 10 points for winning the round, and the loser gets 1-9 points, depending on how close or badly he loses it. Let’s say Jones has two really big rounds where he knocks Jackson down a few times and really has him in trouble, winning those two rounds by scores of 10-6. But Jones wins only two other rounds, and those by very close 10-9 margins. Jackson wins the 6 other rounds, all by 10-9 margins. No question that Jackson won those six rounds, but they weren’t overly dramatic. Just solid wins. So Jackson wins by rounds, 6-4. Jones wins by points, 94-90. California and N.Y. are the 10-6 rounds. Those two states will unduly and disproportionately affect the election – every time. The other big-population states are all 10-9 rounds. That means that the vast majority of 48 states and their populations will be subject to the whim and desire of just two states. If those two states have similar demographics and voting preferences at any particular point in time (which they do now), then those two states call the shots for the entire country. But the Electoral College brilliantly smooths out the variances in the voting proclivities among states and regions. Farmers in the middle of the country and importers and exporters on the shore get roughly equal say, as do Madison Ave. execs and factory workers in Tennessee.
Shortcomings? Sure. The E.C. can make an R vote meaningless in a very few heavily D states or vice versa. But without the Electoral College, the country’s entire population is subject to the disproportionate voting preferences of the few most populous states.Nope. I'm calling you out at your first sentence. The electoral college was put into place when there were thirteen colonies. California and New York have populations of medium-sized nations. The tiny states are over-represented, and the areas of tremendous population are very under-represented. We already have a Senate set-up that way. A person's vote is sacred, and we should be fairly represented, or we need an amendment to remove the electoral college. This will be in the works after this tragedy. The Founding Fathers didn't want one large state with a large population dictating to the other states. The electoral college save us from that bitch and I'm glad it did. It did exactly what it was supposed to do. If you read the article they only count all the ballots on states where the results are tight. I find it laughable that we put up with Obama for 8 years and you sore losers whine and become crybullies. Where is all that tolerance? You can't even give him a chance. All he wants to do is enforce our immigration laws and secure the border. The president's duty first and foremost is to the citizens of the USA not the fricking world. I hope he reverses every single EO that Obama foisted on the country by fiat. The smaller states are not over represented, for crying out loud, Rhode Island gets 4. So does New Hampshire and Maine gets 3 and you want to dilute their voice even more. Pathetic.
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Post by ariel on Nov 12, 2016 18:26:40 GMT
You're damn right that we're voting again. In the meantime, we're holding this monster's feet to the fire. We will be out there every day if we have to. In the meantime you've got 4 years of Trump whether you like it or not. If this guy starts rattling his sabre, I'm leaving. He can easily be impeached anyway. All he does is lie, and once he is sworn in he is going to have a rough go of it.
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Post by ariel on Nov 12, 2016 18:28:22 GMT
He had his chance. He proved himself to be a deplorable human being who brags about assaulting women, threatens to deport people based on their religion, and attempts to silence the press. He's a con-artist and he's #notourPresident. Lol you haven't given him a chance he isn't even in office until January ! Maybe you haven't been listening to all the crap that he says.
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Post by ariel on Nov 12, 2016 18:30:09 GMT
Nope. I'm calling you out at your first sentence. The electoral college was put into place when there were thirteen colonies. California and New York have populations of medium-sized nations. The tiny states are over-represented, and the areas of tremendous population are very under-represented. We already have a Senate set-up that way. A person's vote is sacred, and we should be fairly represented, or we need an amendment to remove the electoral college. This will be in the works after this tragedy. The Founding Fathers didn't want one large state with a large population dictating to the other states. The electoral college save us from that bitch and I'm glad it did. It did exactly what it was supposed to do. If you read the article they only count all the ballots on states where the results are tight. I find it laughable that we put up with Obama for 8 years and you sore losers whine and become crybullies. Where is all that tolerance? You can't even give him a chance. All he wants to do is enforce our immigration laws and secure the border. The president's duty first and foremost is to the citizens of the USA not the fricking world. I hope he reverses every single EO that Obama foisted on the country by fiat. The smaller states are not over represented, for crying out loud, Rhode Island gets 4. So does New Hampshire and Maine gets 3 and you want to dilute their voice even more. Pathetic. You clearly don't understand the purpose of the electoral college. It's outdated.
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Post by ladydi on Nov 13, 2016 1:46:50 GMT
So with all the protesting, you are involved in, I take it, you do not hold down a job?! OH how wonderful yet MORE laziness for the tax payers to support! Try doing 8 hours of hard labor, and you won't have the energy to participate in such shenanigans! Trump is our elected president, put on your big girl panties and get over it!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 13, 2016 5:10:13 GMT
Lol you haven't given him a chance he isn't even in office until January ! Maybe you haven't been listening to all the crap that he says. Hi Ariel, the Party that wins the popular vote (maximum) should be the Party that wins.!!! When that is in place, perhaps more people will decide to vote. In Australia voting is compulsory.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 13, 2016 5:25:19 GMT
She has no redeeming qualities except education, experience, perseverance, endurance, and sophisticated knowledge. Ah -who wants that sh*t when we can have a sociopath, molester, bigot, and narcissist. Shovel in the Big Macs and we've got a plan! Well seems like the majority of Americans didn't see the redeeming qualities you did lol "sophisticated knowledge " didn't count for Jack shit Hi Gibby, The voting was going Hillary's way until the second lot of emails were made public, that is when it started to go Trumps way, there was no incriminating evidence to be found, but it ruined Hillary's chances of winning. The people responsible, owned up to doing it deliberately. Even so, she had the popular vote. Which means that more people voted for her to win. It stinks.!!! There is no doubt about that, which is why the Democrat voters are protesting. If I was an American, I would be protesting along with the others. For sure.!!!
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