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Post by ♫anna♫ on Nov 9, 2016 2:03:31 GMT
Trump's half hearted "well I guess so". Was something he said without the facts as he was a business man at the time. As the facts came in he shifted away to clearly opposing the war against the Iraq regime.
As the facts came in, almost everyone in the United States opposed the war. There is not a single citation to prove that he opposed it before 2004. Of course Hillary continued to support the disasterous military intervention in Libya + Syria.
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Post by ariel on Nov 9, 2016 2:23:10 GMT
What military intervention?
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Post by Big Lin on Nov 9, 2016 4:30:54 GMT
As the facts came in, almost everyone in the United States opposed the war. There is not a single citation to prove that he opposed it before 2004. Of course Hillary continued to support the disasterous military intervention in Libya + Syria. That's what we call 'moving the goalposts,' Anna. Trump supported the Iraq war then he changed his mind. That's his right but it's dishonest of him to pretend that he was NEVER a supporter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 7:42:54 GMT
Anyhow the bookmaker spell bad news for Trump they have him out to 9/2 and 5/1. Not sure what that is based on, maybe on ballots that have been counted, well however I do know what it is based on, ie the weight of money on him, seems not many are willing to back him now. I told you to keep your bet on for Trump didn't I !! Listen to me next time
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 8:19:44 GMT
Agreed Hillary has no redeeming qualities whatsoever She has no redeeming qualities except education, experience, perseverance, endurance, and sophisticated knowledge. Ah -who wants that sh*t when we can have a sociopath, molester, bigot, and narcissist. Shovel in the Big Macs and we've got a plan! Well seems like the majority of Americans didn't see the redeeming qualities you did lol "sophisticated knowledge " didn't count for Jack shit
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Post by ariel on Nov 9, 2016 8:34:50 GMT
The majority of Americans are apparently idiots. And you should be frightened. Very frightened.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Nov 9, 2016 10:07:41 GMT
Of course Hillary continued to support the disasterous military intervention in Libya + Syria. That's what we call 'moving the goalposts,' Anna. Trump supported the Iraq war then he changed his mind. That's his right but it's dishonest of him to pretend that he was NEVER a supporter. Trump simply didn't wish to endanger the troops who were in a done deal. The Lefist Nihilists only defame US soldiers as "baby killes" and ignore the banker interests behind these senseless wars. Not only do we have fake civil rights activists, but we have fake anti war activists.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Nov 9, 2016 10:09:31 GMT
During the night I caught a terrible sickness. I expected the worst with the election. I never thought the system would let someone who promises to retake the US economy be elected. A miracle has happened!
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Post by Big Lin on Nov 9, 2016 17:46:30 GMT
That's what we call 'moving the goalposts,' Anna. Trump supported the Iraq war then he changed his mind. That's his right but it's dishonest of him to pretend that he was NEVER a supporter. Trump simply didn't wish to endanger the troops who were in a done deal. The Lefist Nihilists only defame US soldiers as "baby killes" and ignore the banker interests behind these senseless wars. Not only do we have fake civil rights activists, but we have fake anti war activists. Trump is a serial liar and flip-flopper who has changed his position for purely opportunist reasons when it suits him. For someone who bangs on about the plutocracy you seem to rate a crooked billionaire quite highly. I don't know about 'fake civil rights' activists or 'fake anti war activists' - how do you know they are so insincere in what they say and do? And frankly there are plenty of anti-war activists on the far right - Nick Griffin is perhaps the most obvious example in Britain. And the rightist nihilist defame US soldiers who have died for their country if they happen to be non-white Muslims. And frankly you need to get out and meet ordinary people more often because I live in a big metropolitan city (London) and though I've certainly heard a lot of passionate and often angry debate over all kinds of issues I've not ONCE heard anyone call US soldiers 'baby killers.' If it comes to that you've called Allied troops that yourself for things like Dresden; you've called the US pilots who dropped the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki that too. So it's difficult for you to take the moral high ground when your own points of view are so morally dubious. Now as to Trump. 1 I had a feeling he would win because of the profound alienation of ordinary people with the whole political class. 2 I doubt if Trump in office will be anything like the bullshit he's spouted. He's said what he thought would win him votes but he's got no genuine principles. 3 I put a bet on him to win which astonished the clerk in the betting shop because when I bet on Trump the shop had Clinton odds on and she'd assumed automatically - especially with me being a non-white woman - that I'd be backing Clinton. As for how he turns out, we'll wait and see. Probably he'll be better in some ways than people fear and worse in some ways than his supporters hope.
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Post by kronks on Nov 9, 2016 18:25:49 GMT
Anyhow the bookmaker spell bad news for Trump they have him out to 9/2 and 5/1. Not sure what that is based on, maybe on ballots that have been counted, well however I do know what it is based on, ie the weight of money on him, seems not many are willing to back him now. I told you to keep your bet on for Trump didn't I !! Listen to me next time Yes I should have stuck to my guns, but one newspaper report on a small county's result spoked me and I cashed it in. That is the trouble with being allowed to cash in, it is a double edged sword. I did put another bet on the electoral college 290-309 for Trump which might come in but I am finding it hard to find out how likely that is, it is possible but it is a narrow band, I am not sure how the outstanding states will go. But it is difficult, early one he went right out to 10-1 and look likely to lose, I would probably have cashed in then if I had not earlier, mind you I would not have got anything for it so maybe not.
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Post by ariel on Nov 9, 2016 20:51:54 GMT
I told you to keep your bet on for Trump didn't I !! Listen to me next time Yes I should have stuck to my guns, but one newspaper report on a small county's result spoked me and I cashed it in. That is the trouble with being allowed to cash in, it is a double edged sword. I did put another bet on the electoral college 290-309 for Trump which might come in but I am finding it hard to find out how likely that is, it is possible but it is a narrow band, I am not sure how the outstanding states will go. But it is difficult, early one he went right out to 10-1 and look likely to lose, I would probably have cashed in then if I had not earlier, mind you I would not have got anything for it so maybe not. I'm sorry if I caused you to lose your wager. Never in my wildest imagination did I expect this to be the outcome. I owe you.
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Post by kronks on Nov 9, 2016 22:38:50 GMT
Here the prediction is for 306 electoral votes for Trump which would win me £7 plus I already won £4.75 when I cashed in the first bet, so in total I made £11.75, but I would have made £32 if I had just let the original bet run. so a mice consolation but still disappointed I chickened out on the first bet! www.nytimes.com/elections/results/presidentThat prediction should be right, but it is hard to know when a result is official or not, I guess each state does it it's own way and if it is close there might be calls for recounts. Even different results sight report differently some currently report 289 (as they include 10 for Minnesota) others 279. Going by here edition.cnn.com/election/resultsTrump is on 290 which wins for me, then there is just Michigan 16 and new Hampshire 4 left. So I am already winning on 290 and +16 is 306 which is OK but if he got the other 4 it is 310, which is out of the 290-309 range and would lose for me. However Hillary is expected to get those 4. So he is expect to get one of those close states and I am fine as long as he does not win both. Dunno how long it will be until it is official I have not been paid out yet anyway lol.
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Post by kronks on Nov 9, 2016 23:01:16 GMT
Yes I should have stuck to my guns, but one newspaper report on a small county's result spoked me and I cashed it in. That is the trouble with being allowed to cash in, it is a double edged sword. I did put another bet on the electoral college 290-309 for Trump which might come in but I am finding it hard to find out how likely that is, it is possible but it is a narrow band, I am not sure how the outstanding states will go. But it is difficult, early one he went right out to 10-1 and look likely to lose, I would probably have cashed in then if I had not earlier, mind you I would not have got anything for it so maybe not. I'm sorry if I caused you to lose your wager. Never in my wildest imagination did I expect this to be the outcome. I owe you. Well no problem, I think I will end up with £11.75 profit rather than £32 so I got a bit of a win but not as much I could have. Really one even when Trumps odds were drifting I read some reports and one in particular concerned me, a county were the republican were losing by about 10% more than they expected, I should have not taken so much notice of the report from 1 county amongst now doubt thousands. But that is the way it goes, it could easily have gone the other way and I could have ended up with nothing. And it was so tough to call, after all it seems Hillary won the popular vote, so in the end it was essentially the electoral college lottery as to where those votes fell. Anyhow I am still awaiting the £7.50 on the electoral college bet. As long as Clinton does not lose New Hampshire I should be OK www.nytimes.com/elections/results/new-hampshireIt says she leads by 0.2% with 100% reporting and 86% likelihood she will win. So I am not sure what the delay in calling it is, seem there could be a recount. theweek.com/speedreads/660913/democrat-maggie-hassan-claims-victory-new-hampshire-senate-race-recount-likelyAlthough that is for the senate so not the right thing?
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Post by ariel on Nov 9, 2016 23:14:19 GMT
I'm sorry if I caused you to lose your wager. Never in my wildest imagination did I expect this to be the outcome. I owe you. Well no problem, I think I will end up with £11.75 profit rather than £32 so I got a bit of a win but not as much I could have. Really one even when Trumps odds were drifting I read some reports and one in particular concerned me, a county were the republican were losing by about 10% more than they expected, I should have not taken so much notice of the report from 1 county amongst now doubt thousands. But that is the way it goes, it could easily have gone the other way and I could have ended up with nothing. And it was so tough to call, after all it seems Hillary won the popular vote, so in the end it was essentially the electoral college lottery as to where those votes fell. Anyhow I am still awaiting the £7.50 on the electoral college bet. As long as Clinton does not lose New Hampshire I should be OK www.nytimes.com/elections/results/new-hampshireIt says she leads by 0.2% with 100% reporting and 86% likelihood she will win. So I am not sure what the delay in calling it is, seem there could be a recount. theweek.com/speedreads/660913/democrat-maggie-hassan-claims-victory-new-hampshire-senate-race-recount-likelyIt seems that the absentee ballots are holding things up. I, of course, lost my whole wager. But that's the least of my problems right now.
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Post by ariel on Nov 9, 2016 23:16:43 GMT
Here the prediction is for 306 electoral votes for Trump which would win me £7 plus I already won £4.75 when I cashed in the first bet, so in total I made £11.75, but I would have made £32 if I had just let the original bet run. so a mice consolation but still disappointed I chickened out on the first bet! www.nytimes.com/elections/results/presidentThat prediction should be right, but it is hard to know when a result is official or not, I guess each state does it it's own way and if it is close there might be calls for recounts. Even different results sight report differently some currently report 289 (as they include 10 for Minnesota) others 279. Going by here edition.cnn.com/election/resultsTrump is on 290 which wins for me, then there is just Michigan 16 and new Hampshire 4 left. So I am already winning on 290 and +16 is 306 which is OK but if he got the other 4 it is 310, which is out of the 290-309 range and would lose for me. However Hillary is expected to get those 4. So he is expect to get one of those close states and I am fine as long as he does not win both. Dunno how long it will be until it is official I have not been paid out yet anyway lol. I'm glad that you're winning something, Kronks. I feel so guilty.
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Post by kronks on Nov 10, 2016 0:14:41 GMT
Well it was my decision to cash in, there was so much in the news suggesting he could not win it, the tide seem to have turned against him and it looked like I was going to lose the lot, the money was not really important though, it was only £2, so I could have left it on. It was a real suprise as early one it looked like it was going to be a big win for Clinton.
Must have been pretty devastating for her team as the results came in, not that I wanted Trump to win but I at least I was getting long odds.
Whether much will change politically is a different matter, a lot of his own party do not agree with him so it remains to be seen if he can get an legislation passed. I am not too sure how it works though, I think things have to be approved by bother the senate and congress?
They way the system works seems to allow someone who only has minority support to be elected.
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Post by ariel on Nov 10, 2016 1:33:42 GMT
Well it was my decision to cash in, there was so much in the news suggesting he could not win it, the tide seem to have turned against him and it looked like I was going to lose the lot, the money was not really important though, it was only £2, so I could have left it on. It was a real suprise as early one it looked like it was going to be a big win for Clinton. Must have been pretty devastating for her team as the results came in, not that I wanted Trump to win but I at least I was getting long odds. Whether much will change politically is a different matter, a lot of his own party do not agree with him so it remains to be seen if he can get an legislation passed. I am not too sure how it works though, I think things have to be approved by bother the senate and congress? They way the system works seems to allow someone who only has minority support to be elected. They're all jumping onboard now, Kronks. All is fair in love, war, and politics. Some people say that I have a short attention span. In reality, I am just impatient with stupidity. If someone makes sense, I can read on for however long it takes.
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Post by kronks on Nov 10, 2016 3:28:42 GMT
Well it was my decision to cash in, there was so much in the news suggesting he could not win it, the tide seem to have turned against him and it looked like I was going to lose the lot, the money was not really important though, it was only £2, so I could have left it on. It was a real suprise as early one it looked like it was going to be a big win for Clinton. Must have been pretty devastating for her team as the results came in, not that I wanted Trump to win but I at least I was getting long odds. Whether much will change politically is a different matter, a lot of his own party do not agree with him so it remains to be seen if he can get an legislation passed. I am not too sure how it works though, I think things have to be approved by bother the senate and congress? They way the system works seems to allow someone who only has minority support to be elected. They're all jumping onboard now, Kronks. All is fair in love, war, and politics. Beth says that I have a short attention span. In reality, I am just impatient with stupidity. If someone makes sense, I can read on for however long it takes. She says that I should begin my own forum. What says you? Well you could do but it is likely to be in competition with quite a few very similar forums for posters, but at least you are not beholding the forum owner for permission to post. I have my forum but it was never a serious venture as I am on more forums than I can cope with as it is.
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Post by Big Lin on Nov 10, 2016 17:45:18 GMT
Mike and I both put five pounds on Trump at different bookies.
Mike backed him at Ladbrokes at 10-3 and got £21.67; I backed him at PaddyPower at 5-2 and got £17.50!
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 10, 2016 23:40:40 GMT
The majority of Americans are apparently idiots. And you should be frightened. Very frightened. . Well, they're claiming Hillary won the majority (the popular vote) of votes, so perhaps you're right.
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