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Post by trubble on Jan 21, 2009 22:30:52 GMT
I'm PRO and always will be pro. I wrote to a now executed murderer for over four years until the Florida State Prison sat him down in the "hot seat." I used to tell Jeff he needs to die for his sins. Of course he generally didn't agree with me although he himself felt that some of his scumbag neighbors deserved to die. Jeff's son Barry is approx., the exact same age (33) as his father was when Florida killed him on November the 7th, 1988... ~ Dead Man Writing ~ www.angelfire.com/oz/today/deadman.htmlThat makes for interesting reading, reb. I read the first page and one letter. In the letter, Jeff writes: 'makes it safer for the guards'...as if that's a bad thing... I suppose once you get on Death Row you make that your whole society and do the same thing any of us would do under a dictatorship. I see he didn't keep any of your letters because he wouldn't have the space to keep all the letters written to him. Wow. Is this a major hobby for that many people? I can see why you might have started to write to him, I can imagine why you might have told him he deserved to die, but why do people write to people on Death Row mostly? Anyone know? Do you know, reb? As Riot says, it's a bit of a creepy hobby just to pick up randomly. Why not write to supermodel or celebrity? I see your link into it, so does everyone who writes to them have a personal link with prison that leads them to such penpal-ism? I see posts about someone who married someone...on Death Row? Why did they do that? Are they here? This is fascinating to me.
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Post by cammie on Jan 22, 2009 6:10:49 GMT
Yes, it is indeed VERY KINKY to try to have a writing or visiting relationship with a murderer (unless it's a personal murder case). Wanting to cuddle up to a murderer implies the seeker has the lowest possible opinion of him/herself such as the Ramirez admirer. But to write to a POS DR murderer and tell them they DESERVE to die is simply expressing the truth. Go for it Reb!!! ___________________ The American DP is flawed bc the murderer gets to live on DR 20 years after being found guilty, clog the system with BS appeals, and is a burden to the taxpayer. Plus, the disgusting murderers should be executed in the same manner they killed their victims. _____________ But OOOHHHHHHHHHHHHH NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Some sniveling, whining, spineless murder-lovers will cry and hold candles in protest to "save" the sorry POS murderer. When there is NO doubt, fry the scum ASAP imo.
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Post by pumpkinette on Jan 22, 2009 11:45:26 GMT
I'm PRO and always will be pro. I wrote to a now executed murderer for over four years until the Florida State Prison sat him down in the "hot seat." I used to tell Jeff he needs to die for his sins. Of course he generally didn't agree with me although he himself felt that some of his scumbag neighbors deserved to die. Jeff's son Barry is approx., the exact same age (33) as his father was when Florida killed him on November the 7th, 1988... ~ Dead Man Writing ~ www.angelfire.com/oz/today/deadman.htmlJust curious, did you write to the family/friends of this man? Did you ever think of what they were going through? Just wondering.
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Post by pumpkinette on Jan 22, 2009 11:49:04 GMT
I'm PRO and always will be pro. I wrote to a now executed murderer for over four years until the Florida State Prison sat him down in the "hot seat." I used to tell Jeff he needs to die for his sins. Of course he generally didn't agree with me although he himself felt that some of his scumbag neighbors deserved to die. Jeff's son Barry is approx., the exact same age (33) as his father was when Florida killed him on November the 7th, 1988... ~ Dead Man Writing ~ www.angelfire.com/oz/today/deadman.htmlThat makes for interesting reading, reb. I read the first page and one letter. In the letter, Jeff writes: 'makes it safer for the guards'...as if that's a bad thing... I suppose once you get on Death Row you make that your whole society and do the same thing any of us would do under a dictatorship. I see he didn't keep any of your letters because he wouldn't have the space to keep all the letters written to him. Wow. Is this a major hobby for that many people? I can see why you might have started to write to him, I can imagine why you might have told him he deserved to die, but why do people write to people on Death Row mostly? Anyone know? Do you know, reb? As Riot says, it's a bit of a creepy hobby just to pick up randomly. Why not write to supermodel or celebrity? I see your link into it, so does everyone who writes to them have a personal link with prison that leads them to such penpal-ism? I see posts about someone who married someone...on Death Row? Why did they do that? Are they here? This is fascinating to me. Dear trubble, 1 reason people keep in contact with murderers on death row is because they're related to them. I may be stating the obvious, but people NEED to know about this. At LEAST 22% of murders in the US are inter-family, ie., family members murdering another family member. I'm an inter-family MVS (MVS stands for "murder victim survivor", who are the surviving family/friends of murder victims) and some of my family members (including me) chose to stay in touch with our loved 1 who murdered.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 22, 2009 14:28:53 GMT
I'm definitely against capital punishment, for the simple reason that there have been too many people found innocent of murder at a later date. At least in the UK, that is. Don't know about the US. Over the last few years, we've heard of several women who were imprisoned for the murder of their babies and who have later been released on appeal after it was found that the babies died of natural causes. Now perhaps you pros could tell me how you would have brought these women back to life? No, I'm with SWL on this one. Life imprisonment should mean for the rest of their lives. At least if further evidence crops up later on, the poor bugger wouldn't be dead. there is no doubt that a few innocent folks have been executed in the u.s, as well as britain. however, the irrefutable FACT is that, NO truly innocent person has been executed in the u.s. since 1976, and it is an absolute impossibility for such an event to occur. the simple fact that there have been dna exonerations from death row is conclusive proof that the innocent executed trip is bogus on its face
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Post by Big Lin on Jan 22, 2009 16:29:18 GMT
Many people become involved in penpalling prisoners because they are family or friends of the person concerned. I became involved in prison visiting because of two friends of mine who were sent to prison and suffered so badly they tried to kill themselves.
I don't condemn penpalling death row inmates as such though I find it strange that some people seem to seek out the worst possible examples of humanity to spread their compassion towards.
As Pumpkinette rightly says, a very high proportion of them are because of family connections.
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Post by riotgrrl on Jan 22, 2009 16:48:36 GMT
Many people become involved in penpalling prisoners because they are family or friends of the person concerned. I became involved in prison visiting because of two friends of mine who were sent to prison and suffered so badly they tried to kill themselves. I don't condemn penpalling death row inmates as such though I find it strange that some people seem to seek out the worst possible examples of humanity to spread their compassion towards. As Pumpkinette rightly says, a very high proportion of them are because of family connections. That's fair enough. My confusion is how telling someone they deserve to die equates with 'spreading their compassion'? That hardly seems like the most compassionate thing to tell a condemned man.
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Post by pumpkinette on Jan 22, 2009 18:04:49 GMT
Many people become involved in penpalling prisoners because they are family or friends of the person concerned. I became involved in prison visiting because of two friends of mine who were sent to prison and suffered so badly they tried to kill themselves. I don't condemn penpalling death row inmates as such though I find it strange that some people seem to seek out the worst possible examples of humanity to spread their compassion towards. As Pumpkinette rightly says, a very high proportion of them are because of family connections. That's fair enough. My confusion is how telling someone they deserve to die equates with 'spreading their compassion'? That hardly seems like the most compassionate thing to tell a condemned man. Many in the world PRIDE themselves on their NON-compassion. It's very IN these days, unfortunately.
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Post by riotgrrl on Jan 22, 2009 18:15:49 GMT
That's fair enough. My confusion is how telling someone they deserve to die equates with 'spreading their compassion'? That hardly seems like the most compassionate thing to tell a condemned man. Many in the world PRIDE themselves on their NON-compassion. It's very IN these days, unfortunately. You mean for example, someone who wrote to a condemned man telling him he deserved to die? That seems very uncompassionate to me too.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 22, 2009 23:22:49 GMT
Many people become involved in penpalling prisoners because they are family or friends of the person concerned. I became involved in prison visiting because of two friends of mine who were sent to prison and suffered so badly they tried to kill themselves. I don't condemn penpalling death row inmates as such though I find it strange that some people seem to seek out the worst possible examples of humanity to spread their compassion towards. As Pumpkinette rightly says, a very high proportion of them are because of family connections. That's fair enough. My confusion is how telling someone they deserve to die equates with 'spreading their compassion'? That hardly seems like the most compassionate thing to tell a condemned man. maybe not, but it's comical as hell. anyway, the lad is talking about garbage for whom NO compassion should be shown
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 22, 2009 23:25:47 GMT
That's fair enough. My confusion is how telling someone they deserve to die equates with 'spreading their compassion'? That hardly seems like the most compassionate thing to tell a condemned man. Many in the world PRIDE themselves on their NON-compassion. It's very IN these days, unfortunately. no hon. you should always be compassionate toward those who are worthy of your compassion. however, compassion is like pearls, and you don't cast it before swine, no disrespect to the poor pigs intended. they certainly don't deserve to be lowered to a murderer's level
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Post by everso on Jan 22, 2009 23:27:24 GMT
That's fair enough. My confusion is how telling someone they deserve to die equates with 'spreading their compassion'? That hardly seems like the most compassionate thing to tell a condemned man. maybe not, but it's comical as hell. anyway, the lad is talking about garbage for whom NO compassion should be shown So what was all that in the New Testament about forgiveness and turning the other cheek?
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 22, 2009 23:34:33 GMT
maybe not, but it's comical as hell. anyway, the lad is talking about garbage for whom NO compassion should be shown So what was all that in the New Testament about forgiveness and turning the other cheek? the forgiveness and turning the other cheek have absolutely NOTHING to do with criminals. jesus forgave the thief on the cross, but did he save his life? of course not. being forgiven by god does not negate punishment for crime.
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Post by everso on Jan 22, 2009 23:42:05 GMT
Jesus was compassionate to the thief on the cross and forgave him, even though he was still executed.
You're talking about a condemned man and saying he doesn't deserve compassion. We're not talking about letting him go. What you said isn't really what I'd consider "Christian", Jumbo.
"you should always be compassionate toward those who are worthy of your compassion. however, compassion is like pearls, and you don't cast it before swine, no disrespect to the poor pigs intended. they certainly don't deserve to be lowered to a murderer's level"
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"maybe not, but it's comical as hell. anyway, the lad is talking about garbage for whom NO compassion should be shown"
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Post by swl on Jan 22, 2009 23:44:10 GMT
The problem with using religion to justify your POV or actions is that anyone can do it. How many serial killers thought the voice in their head was God telling them what to do? I don't see much difference between them and the people who say their God says kill people. One is murder and the other is murder dressed up in sanitising language.
Future generations will look back at the death penalty and squirm in embarassment.
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Post by cammie on Jan 22, 2009 23:58:02 GMT
How will future generations look back at execution and squirm in embarrasment??? The embarrasing point would fall to the murderer, and none else. But since a dark-souled murderer has no conscious nor remorse, that is a wasted expectation. _______________ Do unto others.
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Post by everso on Jan 23, 2009 0:01:50 GMT
The problem with using religion to justify your POV or actions is that anyone can do it. How many serial killers thought the voice in their head was God telling them what to do? I don't see much difference between them and the people who say their God says kill people. One is murder and the other is murder dressed up in sanitising language. Future generations will look back at the death penalty and squirm in embarassment. swl, you are correct.
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Post by cammie on Jan 23, 2009 0:08:07 GMT
The term "Turn The Other Cheek" was written in biblical days to mean something quiet different than today's misconception. To turn the other cheek meant do not stand and be backhanded- as a belittling and dismissive, and insulting gesture. Turn yourself up front in direct eye-to-eye to with those who will strike out at you so they are forced to hit open-handed (as in a slap), or fist if they have the guts. Be on equal footing, and do not allow another to put you down, to demean you. Stand up AGAINST them, defend yourself, do NOT cower and "turn" to allow them a free blow.
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Post by everso on Jan 23, 2009 0:15:32 GMT
The term "Turn The Other Cheek" was written in biblical days to mean something quiet different than today's misconception. To turn the other cheek meant do not stand and be backhanded- as a belittling and dismissive, and insulting gesture. Turn yourself up front in direct eye-to-eye to with those who will strike out at you so they are forced to hit open-handed (as in a slap), or fist if they have the guts. Be on equal footing, and do not allow another to put you down, to demean you. Stand up AGAINST them, defend yourself, do NOT cower and "turn" to allow them a free blow. I just googled that and, yes, it seems that's one interpretation of turning the other cheek. However, I meant it in the way that most of us understand it.
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Post by swl on Jan 23, 2009 0:16:10 GMT
Face it folks - the voices in your heads tell you to kill people, no matter how you twist, squirm, distort, re-translate and plain make it up as you go along.
The Yorkshire Ripper displayed exactly the same certainty as you. He was, by the accounts of those that met him, a nice guy who just thought bad folks deserved to die.
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