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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 13, 2015 7:58:04 GMT
Are we still arguing over what we all think is the truth? I am having real spiritual experiences, which tell me that my belief is the truth. I am not just relying on faith of things unseen, but of actual experiences. What proof do you have? Chris, the point about truth is that EVERYONE knows it's the truth. You seem to assume that your spiritual experiences are valid but that people who have different spiritual experiences from you are non-valid. Now NO amount of experience - spiritual or otherwise - gives you the right to claim that your inner visions are 'the truth' and for what it's worth how do you explain conflicts between spiritual experiences? Muhammed had spiritual experiences that led him to believe his ideas were truth; so did Jesus, Moses, Paul, Torquemada, Conrad of Marburg, Gesar, Buddha, Lao Tse and so on. Now as all these guys believed many different things many of which are incompatible with each other how can you honestly claim that spiritual experience alone is any kind of statement about truth or knowledge? It's an experience. I've had spiritual experiences - even my husband has and he's an agnostic. The problem is when people go on to draw conclusions from them that aren't justified. Hi Big Lin, we get the experiences that we are meant to get for a reason, it is up to us to work out what it means. Not too long ago, I found myself out in space, looking at the planet earth. Suddenly it started shaking to and fro. Then I was back on earth and saw the opened earth as if an earthquake had just occurred. Now, we have earthquakes happening in four different areas around the world, a second one has just occurred in Nepal so what are your thoughts on that? I'm now waiting for the massive earthquake that will rock the earth. Some years before that, I was shown that we will be picked up by Alien craft in order to save the human species. So if that doesn't turn out to be true then we are lost. I believe that what I was shown is the truth, that is why I have trust in whoever is responsible for giving me all the info. Other things that I have been shown have come to pass. That is the reason why I am so sure that what I am being given is the truth. I don't think that at any time I have said that your experiences are not ttrue, most of our conversation has been with me defending your accusations that I should not be sure that what I have been given is the truth. But I am sure!!! and I am not going to say otherwise, just to please you. If you are not sure that your experiences are true, that is your business. I have had too many experiences that have come true, not to be sure. |
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 13, 2015 11:33:57 GMT
Chris, the point about truth is that EVERYONE knows it's the truth. You seem to assume that your spiritual experiences are valid but that people who have different spiritual experiences from you are non-valid. Now NO amount of experience - spiritual or otherwise - gives you the right to claim that your inner visions are 'the truth' and for what it's worth how do you explain conflicts between spiritual experiences? Muhammed had spiritual experiences that led him to believe his ideas were truth; so did Jesus, Moses, Paul, Torquemada, Conrad of Marburg, Buddha, Lao Tse and so on. Now as all these guys believed many different things many of which are incompatible with each other how can you honestly claim that spiritual experience alone is any kind of statement about truth or knowledge? It's an experience. I've had spiritual experiences - even my husband has and he's an agnostic. The problem is when people go on to draw conclusions from them that aren't justified. Very well put Big Lin. It is
amazing the numbers of absolute truths that are
offered.
Of course, just between you and I,
only you and I know the absolute truth. . . . . . . . . but
then. . . . . I'm not to sure about you so that only leaves
me knowing the absolute truth. Just so you are aware
mine includes worshiping the Road Runner who
demonstrates how to never fail!
Hi men an tol, you made me laugh when you said to Big Lin only you and I know the absolute truth. In receiving certain experiences I know it is the truth becaiuse I have been given proof. I am not trying to convince anyone else, I'm only giving my viewpoint as to what I know to be the truth. I have a right to believe whatever I want without being told that it is not the truth. I haven't ever said to Big Lin that the experiences that she has had, are not the truth. So why should she be trying to convince me that my experiences are not? |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 13:53:59 GMT
Very well put Big Lin. It is
amazing the numbers of absolute truths that are
offered.
Of course, just between you and I,
only you and I know the absolute truth. . . . . . . . . but
then. . . . . I'm not to sure about you so that only leaves
me knowing the absolute truth. Just so you are aware
mine includes worshiping the Road Runner who
demonstrates how to never fail!
Hi men an tol, you made me laugh when you said to Big Lin only you and I know the absolute truth. In receiving certain experiences I know it is the truth becaiuse I have been given proof. I am not trying to convince anyone else, I'm only giving my viewpoint as to what I know to be the truth. I have a right to believe whatever I want without being told that it is not the truth. I haven't ever said to Big Lin that the experiences that she has had, are not the truth. So why should she be trying to convince me that my experiences are not? I suspect that you understand this Chris, it is because we are using the term 'truth' with two different meanings and in different context. If I know someone who says that he has seen pixies and sincerely believes that, then that statement is truth in the world in which that person lives. However, no one else can see those pixies and that is not truth to them. If then we must make decisions based on whether pixies are real or not, to make a decision based on the words of the only person who says they have seen them, is a rather foolish thing to do. Or more to the point, say that I joined your group and after a short while began saying that I am having visions that I am the new leader and all other visions are negatively impacted by the current leader, more over, that all monies collected must be given to me. It is my vision and therefore truth, but I suspect others will not agree. So I go to court to have my vision enforced. This would put the court in the position of trying decide which vision is true even though they cannot sense any vision. Not realistic. Now the personal visions are still true to those having them but when those having those visions try to get the world outside of those vision to accept them as true, the response will not positive. To expect any other response is not realistic. |
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on May 13, 2015 14:39:50 GMT
Let's see how good you are on finding the truth
Q: True or False: The sun rises in the east and sets in the west
A: False. The earth rotates which gives a false impression of the sun rising and setting.
Q: How long did the Hundred Years War last?
A: 116 years
Q: Which country makes Panama hats?
A Ecuador
Q: From which animal do we get cat gut?
A: Sheep and Horses
Q: In which month do Russians celebrate the October Revolution?
A: November
Q: What is a camel's hair brush made of?
A: Squirrel fur
Q: The Canary Islands in the Pacific are named after what animal?
A: Dogs
Q: What was King George VI's first name?
A: Albert
Q: What color is a purple finch?
A: Crimson
Q: Where are Chinese gooseberries from?
A: New Zealand
Q: What is the color of the black box in a commercial airplane?
A: Orange (of course)
What do you mean, you know the truth? Really?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on May 13, 2015 18:25:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 19:35:40 GMT
Do what u want.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on May 13, 2015 19:58:02 GMT
OK with me
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 13, 2015 22:50:06 GMT
Are we still arguing over what we all think is the truth? I am having real spiritual experiences, which tell me that my belief is the truth. I am not just relying on faith of things unseen, but of actual experiences. What proof do you have? Chris, the point about truth is that EVERYONE knows it's the truth. You seem to assume that your spiritual experiences are valid but that people who have different spiritual experiences from you are non-valid. Now NO amount of experience - spiritual or otherwise - gives you the right to claim that your inner visions are 'the truth' and for what it's worth how do you explain conflicts between spiritual experiences? Muhammed had spiritual experiences that led him to believe his ideas were truth; so did Jesus, Moses, Paul, Torquemada, Conrad of Marburg, Gesar, Buddha, Lao Tse and so on. Now as all these guys believed many different things many of which are incompatible with each other how can you honestly claim that spiritual experience alone is any kind of statement about truth or knowledge? It's an experience. I've had spiritual experiences - even my husband has and he's an agnostic. The problem is when people go on to draw conclusions from them that aren't justified. Why do you say that Big Lin? That is normal behaviour. Everytime someone says something, our brains go into analysis mode. then we come to a conclusion. It is up to whoever, everyone has been givien that right. Are you trying to say that only what you think should be taken notice of? You seem to be determined to prove my beliefs immaterial. Strange!!! |
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 13, 2015 22:57:33 GMT
Let's see how good you are on finding the truth Q: True or False: The sun rises in the east and sets in the west A: False. The earth rotates which gives a false impression of the sun rising and setting. Q: How long did the Hundred Years War last? A: 116 years Q: Which country makes Panama hats? A Ecuador Q: From which animal do we get cat gut? A: Sheep and Horses Q: In which month do Russians celebrate the October Revolution? A: November Q: What is a camel's hair brush made of? A: Squirrel fur Q: The Canary Islands in the Pacific are named after what animal? A: Dogs Q: What was King George VI's first name? A: Albert Q: What color is a purple finch? A: Crimson Q: Where are Chinese gooseberries from? A: New Zealand Q: What is the color of the black box in a commercial airplane? A: Orange (of course) What do you mean, you know the truth? Really? I definitely like that Bush Admirer, Good for you!!! |
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 13, 2015 23:10:52 GMT
Hi men an tol, you made me laugh when you said to Big Lin only you and I know the absolute truth. In receiving certain experiences I know it is the truth becaiuse I have been given proof. I am not trying to convince anyone else, I'm only giving my viewpoint as to what I know to be the truth. I have a right to believe whatever I want without being told that it is not the truth. I haven't ever said to Big Lin that the experiences that she has had, are not the truth. So why should she be trying to convince me that my experiences are not? I suspect that you understand this Chris, it is because we are using the term 'truth' with two different meanings and in different context. If I know someone who says that he has seen pixies and sincerely believes that, then that statement is truth in the world in which that person lives. However, no one else can see those pixies and that is not truth to them. If then we must make decisions based on whether pixies are real or not, to make a decision based on the words of the only person who says they have seen them, is a rather foolish thing to do. Or more to the point, say that I joined your group and after a short while began saying that I am having visions that I am the new leader and all other visions are negatively impacted by the current leader, more over, that all monies collected must be given to me. It is my vision and therefore truth, but I suspect others will not agree. So I go to court to have my vision enforced. This would put the court in the position of trying decide which vision is true even though they cannot sense any vision. Not realistic. Now the personal visions are still true to those having them but when those having those visions try to get the world outside of those vision to accept them as true, the response will not positive. To expect any other response is not realistic. Everyone on forums are just giving their viewpoints Menantol, It is up to anyone to think what they want, to accept it as a truth or not. Is this a jury trial? I'm beginning to think it is!!! I wonder why? |
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 14, 2015 0:56:12 GMT
I suspect that you understand this Chris, it is because we are using the term 'truth' with two different meanings and in different context. If I know someone who says that he has seen pixies and sincerely believes that, then that statement is truth in the world in which that person lives. However, no one else can see those pixies and that is not truth to them. If then we must make decisions based on whether pixies are real or not, to make a decision based on the words of the only person who says they have seen them, is a rather foolish thing to do. Or more to the point, say that I joined your group and after a short while began saying that I am having visions that I am the new leader and all other visions are negatively impacted by the current leader, more over, that all monies collected must be given to me. It is my vision and therefore truth, but I suspect others will not agree. So I go to court to have my vision enforced. This would put the court in the position of trying decide which vision is true even though they cannot sense any vision. Not realistic. Now the personal visions are still true to those having them but when those having those visions try to get the world outside of those vision to accept them as true, the response will not positive. To expect any other response is not realistic. Everyone on forums are just giving their viewpoints Menantol, It is up to anyone to think what they want, to accept it as a truth or not. Is this a jury trial? I'm beginning to think it is!!! I wonder why? I do understand everything that you are saying Menantol, the whole point of our experiences is to teach us a lesson, and by these lessons we evolve spiritually. Unless a person is aware of this, that doesn't happen. How we react to every experience is very important to my way of thinking. We live in a physical dimension, but as there other dimensions, not everyone is aware of them. which is more the pity, that is why some people demand proof. Because I am aware of these dimensions, I believe others, when they relate their experiences in these dimensions. People have seen fairies because they have been able to see into the next dimenision to the physical dimension. God hands out spiritual gifts to those who deserve them, which is why they can see into the different dimensions. Jesus himself mentions that there are many mansions in God's Kingdom, and there ARE, I have been there!!! |
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 14, 2015 2:06:41 GMT
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Post by ♫anna♫ on May 16, 2015 21:25:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 19:46:53 GMT
like theses
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 18, 2015 10:12:41 GMT
Lin - I don't think Mohammed, Jesus, Moses, Paul, Torquemada, Conrad of Marburg, Gesar, Buddha, Lao Tse, etc. had any spiritual experiences. They either imagined spiritual experiences or they were con men (most likely). I'm not really sure what you would think constituted a genuine spiritual experience, BA. But the point I was making was that it's one thing believing that you've had them and another forcing people to agree with you on the basis of those beliefs. Truth is much more than just belief or experience. Hi Big Lin, If your husband came and told you something that had happened to him whilst he was in town. Would you believe that he was telling you the truth, or would you demand proof? |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 18:48:53 GMT
I'm not really sure what you would think constituted a genuine spiritual experience, BA. But the point I was making was that it's one thing believing that you've had them and another forcing people to agree with you on the basis of those beliefs. Truth is much more than just belief or experience. Hi Big Lin, If your husband came and told you something that had happened to him whilst he was in town. Would you believe that he was telling you the truth, or would you demand proof? Hello Chris, I have no doubt that Big Lin can make her own replies, but for me I am interested in the analogy you have used in that I do not think it applies in this case. Oh, I do see what you are trying say but this is the wrong analogy. A better analogy (using the husband idea) would be something like, if the husband returned from town and said that he had seen an opening into another world down at the tavern, what would be the level of your belief in that story. Even then, you would have to recall if the husband and wife had ever had such discussions in the past? Does the husband drink to excess? Barring some other unforeseen circumstance, of course you're going to seek proof, if for no other reason that checking the husband's sanity. Many other factors apply when one hears a story from another person, such as the husband coming home with lipstick on his collar. Asking for proof . . . . . I wonder. The difference here is that you are relating something that is far outside the ken of others. More over you are asking them to believe it with no more than your word, or, at the very least asking them to accept that you believe the story. Without some common foundation that is a very tough sale. |
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 20, 2015 14:38:04 GMT
Hi Big Lin, If your husband came and told you something that had happened to him whilst he was in town. Would you believe that he was telling you the truth, or would you demand proof? Hello Chris, I have no doubt that Big Lin can make her own replies, but for me I am interested in the analogy you have used in that I do not think it applies in this case. Oh, I do see what you are trying say but this is the wrong analogy. A better analogy (using the husband idea) would be something like, if the husband returned from town and said that he had seen an opening into another world down at the tavern, what would be the level of your belief in that story. Even then, you would have to recall if the husband and wife had ever had such discussions in the past? Does the husband drink to excess? Barring some other unforeseen circumstance, of course you're going to seek proof, if for no other reason that checking the husband's sanity. Many other factors apply when one hears a story from another person, such as the husband coming home with lipstick on his collar. Asking for proof . . . . . I wonder. The difference here is that you are relating something that is far outside the ken of others. More over you are asking them to believe it with no more than your word, or, at the very least asking them to accept that you believe the story. Without some common foundation that is a very tough sale. Hi Mike Marshall, we have already established that you and your wife have both experienced phenomena. When you discussed it with each other, did each of you believe the other that these events had happened as you said? or did you each say 'Darling! you must have imagined it? |
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Post by Big Lin on May 20, 2015 16:39:34 GMT
Hello Chris, I have no doubt that Big Lin can make her own replies, but for me I am interested in the analogy you have used in that I do not think it applies in this case. Oh, I do see what you are trying say but this is the wrong analogy. A better analogy (using the husband idea) would be something like, if the husband returned from town and said that he had seen an opening into another world down at the tavern, what would be the level of your belief in that story. Even then, you would have to recall if the husband and wife had ever had such discussions in the past? Does the husband drink to excess? Barring some other unforeseen circumstance, of course you're going to seek proof, if for no other reason that checking the husband's sanity. Many other factors apply when one hears a story from another person, such as the husband coming home with lipstick on his collar. Asking for proof . . . . . I wonder. The difference here is that you are relating something that is far outside the ken of others. More over you are asking them to believe it with no more than your word, or, at the very least asking them to accept that you believe the story. Without some common foundation that is a very tough sale. Hi Mike Marshall, we have already established that you and your wife have both experienced phenomena. When you discussed it with each other, did each of you believe the other that these events had happened as you said? or did you each say 'Darling! you must have imagined it? Chris, you're actually responding to Menantol's post and not Mike's. But a) I remember telling you some of the things we'd experienced such as hauntings and your response was to say they were all illusions sent by Satan to deceive us; b) we have experienced a number of events together; c) each of us has also experienced events that we know were NOT real - for example, two years ago Mike heard the front door (which was Chubb locked) open and close so naturally he rushed down to confront a possible intruder and yet the door was STILL Chubbed and no one was there. Now on the first point if the hauntings WE both experienced were 'illusions sent by Satan to deceive us' then you've got NO basis for believing that your Eckist visions aren't ALSO 'illusions sent by Satan to deceive you.' On the second point since both of us (and other people too even after we moved out of the place) experienced these things that in itself doesn't make them 'real' because (for example) a group of thirsty travellers in a desert could all collectively hallucinate the mirage of an oasis. So how do you answer those objections - particularly the first one? |
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Post by blc on May 20, 2015 16:55:12 GMT
Hi Mike Marshall, we have already established that you and your wife have both experienced phenomena. When you discussed it with each other, did each of you believe the other that these events had happened as you said? or did you each say 'Darling! you must have imagined it? Chris, you're actually responding to Menantol's post and not Mike's. But a) I remember telling you some of the things we'd experienced such as hauntings and your response was to say they were all illusions sent by Satan to deceive us; b) we have experienced a number of events together; c) each of us has also experienced events that we know were NOT real - for example, two years ago Mike heard the front door (which was Chubb locked) open and close so naturally he rushed down to confront a possible intruder and yet the door was STILL Chubbed and no one was there. Now on the first point if the hauntings WE both experienced were 'illusions sent by Satan to deceive us' then you've got NO basis for believing that your Eckist visions aren't ALSO 'illusions sent by Satan to deceive you.' On the second point since both of us (and other people too even after we moved out of the place) experienced these things that in itself doesn't make them 'real' because (for example) a group of thirsty travellers in a desert could all collectively hallucinate the mirage of an oasis. So how do you answer those objections - particularly the first one? I agree so much with what you posted! |
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