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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Feb 13, 2015 14:24:56 GMT
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 14, 2015 14:52:38 GMT
Hi Anna, but then everyone's truth is different, so what do you do under these circumstances? huh uh. truth is NEVER different. your PERCEPTION of truth may well be different, but, if it is not the absolute truth, you do not have a truth. society does NOT determine what is truth or moral. what was true and moral a million years ago, is true and moral now, and will be true and moral a million years from now truth and morality are IMMUTABLE
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 14, 2015 14:54:55 GMT
that's pretty much what we see happening Anything is possible Iamjiumbo, the same thing applies to polticians. I watch Australian Parliament and I can see exactly how the public are being manipulated,on the news as well. Some people are sitting ducks when it comes to being brainwashed. The Labor party who were in government left a massive defecit for the incoming Liberal party that I support whole heartedly and now the people in Quensland have voted them in again. If you mismanage the economy then you don't deserve to be voted back in, but it has happened. No doubt by people already on welfare who want to keep receiving their fortnightly payment. I really don't know what the future holds for the Austalian economy? that is because, australia, like england, and most of the rest of europe, have allowed themselves to be overrun by savages who worship the baby raper
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Post by blc on Feb 14, 2015 21:40:16 GMT
that's pretty much what we see happening Anything is possible Iamjiumbo, the same thing applies to polticians. I watch Australian Parliament and I can see exactly how the public are being manipulated,on the news as well. Some people are sitting ducks when it comes to being brainwashed. The Labor party who were in government left a massive defecit for the incoming Liberal party that I support whole heartedly and now the people in Quensland have voted them in again. If you mismanage the economy then you don't deserve to be voted back in, but it has happened. No doubt by people already on welfare who want to keep receiving their fortnightly payment. I really don't know what the future holds for the Austalian economy? And that is a major part of the problem. Once the workers are outnumbered by those receiving, its a snowball going downhill.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 16, 2015 7:18:11 GMT
Hi Anna, but then everyone's truth is different, so what do you do under these circumstances? huh uh. truth is NEVER different. your PERCEPTION of truth may well be different, but, if it is not the absolute truth, you do not have a truth. society does NOT determine what is truth or moral. what was true and moral a million years ago, is true and moral now, and will be true and moral a million years from now truth and morality are IMMUTABLE You are right Iamjumbo,it is our perception of the truth that is different, but surely you knew that was what I meant. Only God knows what truth is. The rest of us don't really know. We guage what truth is by what we discover through our experiences in life. The same applies away back in time. As far as I am concerned the same applies in regard to our morals which really is very different.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 16, 2015 10:13:49 GMT
Anything is possible Iamjiumbo, the same thing applies to polticians. I watch Australian Parliament and I can see exactly how the public are being manipulated,on the news as well. Some people are sitting ducks when it comes to being brainwashed. The Labor party who were in government left a massive defecit for the incoming Liberal party that I support whole heartedly and now the people in Quensland have voted them in again. If you mismanage the economy then you don't deserve to be voted back in, but it has happened. No doubt by people already on welfare who want to keep receiving their fortnightly payment. I really don't know what the future holds for the Austalian economy? that is because, australia, like england, and most of the rest of europe, have allowed themselves to be overrun by savages who worship the baby raper Hi Iamjumbo, I'm not quite sure what you mean with your last comment about savages. We in ECKANKAR don't refer to a human being as a savage. We see ourselves as Soul ( a unit of awareness ) inhabiting a body that is a temple for Soul. Souls are here to learn through their experiences on this earth, one of the lessons is to love each other as God loves each Soul. We are here to rise above the influences of the negative force which promotes hatred. That is what we have to focus on if we wish to live in a peaceloving world. Calling a person a savage is just going to antagonize people, so it is always better to be carefull in regard to how we speak.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Feb 16, 2015 18:21:49 GMT
that is because, australia, like england, and most of the rest of europe, have allowed themselves to be overrun by savages who worship the baby raper Hi Iamjumbo, I'm not quite sure what you mean with your last comment about savages. We in ECKANKAR don't refer to a human being as a savage. We see ourselves as Soul ( a unit of awareness ) inhabiting a body that is a temple for Soul. Souls are here to learn through their experiences on this earth, one of the lessons is to love each other as God loves each Soul. We are here to rise above the influences of the negative force which promotes hatred. That is what we have to focus on if we wish to live in a peaceloving world. Calling a person a savage is just going to antagonize people, so it is always better to be carefull in regard to how we speak. Chris - If you were to fly over to ISIL controlled Syria and stand on a street corner saying exactly what you've just typed here, those savages would cut off your head.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 17, 2015 10:29:37 GMT
Hi Iamjumbo, I'm not quite sure what you mean with your last comment about savages. We in ECKANKAR don't refer to a human being as a savage. We see ourselves as Soul ( a unit of awareness ) inhabiting a body that is a temple for Soul. Souls are here to learn through their experiences on this earth, one of the lessons is to love each other as God loves each Soul. We are here to rise above the influences of the negative force which promotes hatred. That is what we have to focus on if we wish to live in a peaceloving world. Calling a person a savage is just going to antagonize people, so it is always better to be carefull in regard to how we speak. Chris - If you were to fly over to ISIL controlled Syria and stand on a street corner saying exactly what you've just typed here, those savages would cut off your head. Maybe so, that would certainly be unfortunate if that were to happen. These people have been brought up to believe what is in their Holy Book, so can they really be blamed for believing it to be true. Don't forget, we have the same kind of behaviour in the Old Testament. If people had not come to believe in Jesus Christ who said to the people " Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." then we might be just as barbaric in our behaviour as these particuler Syrians.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 0:43:29 GMT
Hi Iamjumbo, I'm not quite sure what you mean with your last comment about savages. We in ECKANKAR don't refer to a human being as a savage. We see ourselves as Soul ( a unit of awareness ) inhabiting a body that is a temple for Soul. Souls are here to learn through their experiences on this earth, one of the lessons is to love each other as God loves each Soul. We are here to rise above the influences of the negative force which promotes hatred. That is what we have to focus on if we wish to live in a peaceloving world. Calling a person a savage is just going to antagonize people, so it is always better to be carefull in regard to how we speak. Chris - If you were to fly over to ISIL controlled Syria and stand on a street corner saying exactly what you've just typed here, those savages would cut off your head. I have to say that the word savage is more than applicable to human beings who carry out these atrocities .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 0:45:26 GMT
Chris - If you were to fly over to ISIL controlled Syria and stand on a street corner saying exactly what you've just typed here, those savages would cut off your head. Maybe so, that would certainly be unfortunate if that were to happen. These people have been brought up to believe what is in their Holy Book, so can they really be blamed for believing it to be true. Don't forget, we have the same kind of behaviour in the Old Testament. If people had not come to believe in Jesus Christ who said to the people " Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." then we might be just as barbaric in our behaviour as these particuler Syrians. Yes ,they can be blamed. I for one blame them entirely.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 0:47:04 GMT
Chris - If you were to fly over to ISIL controlled Syria and stand on a street corner saying exactly what you've just typed here, those savages would cut off your head. Maybe so, that would certainly be unfortunate if that were to happen. These people have been brought up to believe what is in their Holy Book, so can they really be blamed for believing it to be true. Don't forget, we have the same kind of behaviour in the Old Testament. If people had not come to believe in Jesus Christ who said to the people " Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." then we might be just as barbaric in our behaviour as these particuler Syrians. And believing in Jesus has nothing to do with whether one is barbaric or not its not all about religion you know.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Feb 18, 2015 14:37:33 GMT
I know. The history of the Catholic Church and its extermination of the Cathars was just as cruel and brutal as ISIS.
The world would be such a much better place if all religions could be banned forever.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 19, 2015 19:42:41 GMT
I know. The history of the Catholic Church and its extermination of the Cathars was just as cruel and brutal as ISIS. The world would be such a much better place if all religions could be banned forever. I visited the Cathedral and nearby Mount Segur where the Cathars were murdered in Southern France. A very chilling place, if you know the history.
Atheism under Stalin and Mao led to the biggest mass murders on record. Atheists can be ever bit as bigoted as believers. Political correctness supports atheism and so atheists now often feel empowered to ridicule, marginalise and support laws curtailing the free speech of believers.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Feb 20, 2015 2:07:19 GMT
Anna - It was not religion, or the absence thereof, that motivated tyrants like Stalin and Mao to mass murder. It was their fixation on political power nd the desire to eliminate political opposition.
Religion has often been the the source of evil but not in those two cases.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 20, 2015 4:09:58 GMT
Maybe so, that would certainly be unfortunate if that were to happen. These people have been brought up to believe what is in their Holy Book, so can they really be blamed for believing it to be true. Don't forget, we have the same kind of behaviour in the Old Testament. If people had not come to believe in Jesus Christ who said to the people " Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." then we might be just as barbaric in our behaviour as these particuler Syrians. Yes ,they can be blamed. I for one blame them entirely. Why so? Gibby. Can a child be blamed for what it is brought up to believe? in their Holy Book, The Koran? If the children disobey, then they are punished. Even when children are adults if they embarrass the parents their own parents may kill them, as according to their belief the children are dishonouring their parents and that is apparently, against their law. No wonder the children grow up to be so cruel, because it is their law that is cruel.
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