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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 0:47:04 GMT
Chris - If you were to fly over to ISIL controlled Syria and stand on a street corner saying exactly what you've just typed here, those savages would cut off your head. Maybe so, that would certainly be unfortunate if that were to happen. These people have been brought up to believe what is in their Holy Book, so can they really be blamed for believing it to be true. Don't forget, we have the same kind of behaviour in the Old Testament. If people had not come to believe in Jesus Christ who said to the people " Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." then we might be just as barbaric in our behaviour as these particuler Syrians. And believing in Jesus has nothing to do with whether one is barbaric or not its not all about religion you know. |
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Feb 18, 2015 14:37:33 GMT
I know. The history of the Catholic Church and its extermination of the Cathars was just as cruel and brutal as ISIS.
The world would be such a much better place if all religions could be banned forever.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 19, 2015 19:42:41 GMT
I know. The history of the Catholic Church and its extermination of the Cathars was just as cruel and brutal as ISIS. The world would be such a much better place if all religions could be banned forever.
Atheism under Stalin and Mao led to the biggest mass murders on record. Atheists can be ever bit as bigoted as believers. Political correctness supports atheism and so atheists now often feel empowered to ridicule, marginalise and support laws curtailing the free speech of believers. |
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Feb 20, 2015 2:07:19 GMT
Anna - It was not religion, or the absence thereof, that motivated tyrants like Stalin and Mao to mass murder. It was their fixation on political power nd the desire to eliminate political opposition.
Religion has often been the the source of evil but not in those two cases.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 20, 2015 4:09:58 GMT
Maybe so, that would certainly be unfortunate if that were to happen. These people have been brought up to believe what is in their Holy Book, so can they really be blamed for believing it to be true. Don't forget, we have the same kind of behaviour in the Old Testament. If people had not come to believe in Jesus Christ who said to the people " Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." then we might be just as barbaric in our behaviour as these particuler Syrians. Yes ,they can be blamed. I for one blame them entirely. Why so? Gibby. Can a child be blamed for what it is brought up to believe? in their Holy Book, The Koran? If the children disobey, then they are punished. Even when children are adults if they embarrass the parents their own parents may kill them, as according to their belief the children are dishonouring their parents and that is apparently, against their law. No wonder the children grow up to be so cruel, because it is their law that is cruel. |
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 20, 2015 4:39:13 GMT
Anna - It was not religion, or the absence thereof, that motivated tyrants like Stalin and Mao to mass murder. It was their fixation on political power nd the desire to eliminate political opposition. Religion has often been the the source of evil but not in those two cases. Hi Bush Admirer, most of us have been brought up at our Mother's knee, and in this case, the Mother as well as the children have to toe the line as to the belief of the Father, so nobody seems to have a choice, maybe not even him, as they have to go along with what their Holy Book stipulates., and that is not going to change any time soon. |
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 20, 2015 8:39:47 GMT
Anna - It was not religion, or the absence thereof, that motivated tyrants like Stalin and Mao to mass murder. It was their fixation on political power nd the desire to eliminate political opposition. Religion has often been the the source of evil but not in those two cases. Hi Bush Admirer, It matters not whether you are religious or not, as we are the perpetrators of all cruelty. When God created the Universe the Positive and Negative Forces were put into place and we are influenced by them. The good news is, that we can exercise our free will to choose one or the other, so not only have we ourselves created what is happening to us at the moment, but we are also creating what will happen to us in the future. It is all done by Karma, the law of action and consequence, or you reap what you sow, or what goes around, comes around. As you can see, we are always responsible for our lives and what happens to us. |
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 20, 2015 12:00:05 GMT
Anna - It was not religion, or the absence thereof, that motivated tyrants like Stalin and Mao to mass murder. It was their fixation on political power nd the desire to eliminate political opposition. Religion has often been the the source of evil but not in those two cases. Hi Bush Admirer, if I was not religion or the lack thereof, that was responsible for Stalin's cruel behaviour, why then go onto say that the world would be a better place without religion. That statement therefore, is nonsensical. |
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 20, 2015 12:31:53 GMT
You wouldn't be casting aspersions now would you Anna?NAUGHTY! NAUGHTY! I happen to be Liberal in my political persuasion, but I don't rant and rave. Is that caption meant to be funny ha! ha! or are you trying to have a dig at me? I am trying to ascertain what your intention is, after all, we are only giving our view points so that we might get to know each other. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind as to what they should believe. |
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 20, 2015 13:31:13 GMT
You wouldn't be casting aspersions now would you Anna?NAUGHTY! NAUGHTY! I happen to be Liberal in my political persuasion, but I don't rant and rave. Is that caption meant to be funny ha! ha! or are you trying to have a dig at me? I am trying to ascertain what your intention is, after all, we are only giving our view points so that we might get to know each other. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind as to what they should believe. |
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 20, 2015 14:03:08 GMT
Hi Anna, you must have shown that picture for a specific reason. Up until now I have been happy to look at your pictures with their words of wisdom, but I was turned off the minute I saw her angry screwed up face.
I for one would not be hanging around anyone behaving in that manner. I can remember when I was doing my Mothercraft training there was also another person there and she had the voice and manner of a Sgt.Major. I could never bear to be around her, so had to do the disappearing trick whenever she appeared.
I really cannot understand how anyone can lose control over their emotions and end up ranting and raving, which never resolves anything in my honest opinion. The brain works better when it is functioning without the emotions being so involved to that extent
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 20, 2015 16:09:56 GMT
Hi Anna, you must have shown that picture for a specific reason. Up until now I have been happy to look at your pictures with there words of wisdom, but I was turned off the minute I saw her angry screwed up face. I for one would not be hanging around anyone behaving in that manner. I can remember when I was doing my Mothercraft training there was also another person there and she had the voice and manner of a Sgt.Major. I could never bear to be around her, so had to do the disappearing trick whenever she appeared. I really cannot understand how anyone can lose control over their emotions and end up ranting and raving, which never resolves anything in my honest opinion. The brain works better when it is functioning without the emotions being so involved to that extent ![]() Unfortunately there is a tendency among some especially those who support a powerful big government right wing or left wing to censor and silence opposing views. Again Lin's definition of "liberal" does not apply to the image, but there are those who call themselves liberals and use fascist methods in the name of political correctness to advance their agenda of control. |
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Feb 20, 2015 19:24:10 GMT
Chris - Though I do think religions are all entirely bogus with zero legitimacy, and that they're the source of much misery in our world, I don't believe they're the only source of evil and misery. Tyrants like Stalin were evil for different reasons than evil religious nuts like bin Laden or Al Baghdadi or Jim Jones.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 20, 2015 21:10:12 GMT
Chris - Though I do think religions are all entirely bogus with zero legitimacy, and that they're the source of much misery in our world, I don't believe they're the only source of evil and misery. Tyrants like Stalin were evil for different reasons than evil religious nuts like bin Laden or Al Baghdadi or Jim Jones. Hi Bush Admirer, we are all searching for happiness, surely we have that in common? It amazes me, that we all start out as supposedly innocent babes and as adults, what do some of us become? Dictators, murderers, torturers, to name a few. It's hard to believe, don't you think? And we all live together on the one planet. I for one, cannot understand why anyone would want to be so cruel to their fellow travellers through life? It wouldn't surprise me if b4 long, people will want to end it all by taking their own lives, rather than waiting for the atrocities to come their way. It is all so horrible. When the Americans invaded Japan, I read that the women were jumping off cliffs into the water in order to escape being raped by American soldiers, because that is what they expected to happen to them and they would rather drown than suffer the fate of being raped. This world certainly isn't a very nice place to live in at the present time, and I am beginning to wonder if it has ever really been a nice place? I pity the poor people who are right in the midst of the carnage, especially the children who have no idea why it is all happening. |
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Feb 21, 2015 2:50:50 GMT
Feb 20, 2015 15:10:12 GMT -6 chris said:
Feb 20, 2015 13:24:10 GMT -6 BushAdmirer said:
Chris - Though I do think religions are all entirely bogus with zero legitimacy, and that they're the source of much misery in our world, I don't believe they're the only source of evil and misery. Tyrants like Stalin were evil for different reasons than evil religious nuts like bin Laden or Al Baghdadi or Jim Jones.
Hi Bush Admirer, we are all searching for happiness, surely we have that in common? It amazes me, that we all start out as supposedly innocent babes and as adults, what do some of us become? Dictators, murderers, torturers, to name a few. It's hard to believe, don't you think? And we all live together on the one planet.
I for one, cannot understand why anyone would want to be so cruel to their fellow travellers through life? It wouldn't surprise me if b4 long, people will want to end it all by taking their own lives, rather than waiting for the atrocities to come their way. It is all so horrible.
When the Americans invaded Japan, I read that the women were jumping off cliffs into the water in order to escape being raped by American soldiers, because that is what they expected to happen to them and they would rather drown than suffer the fate of being raped.
This world certainly isn't a very nice place to live in at the present time, and I am beginning to wonder if it has ever really been a nice place? I pity the poor people who are right in the midst of the carnage, especially the children who have no idea why it is all happening.
Good points Chris.
However, the US never invaded Japan. They came close though. The Atomic bomb negated the need to invade.
America did invade Okinawa, a large island just south of the Japanese mainland. There were horrendous American casualties there. The local Japanese soldiers were fanatical and suicidal, fighting to the death. I think that's what convinced President Harry Truman to drop the Atomic Bomb, which ended the war.
It was the Pacific ocean island of Saipan where the citizens jumped to their deaths of a high cliff into the ocean during the American invasion. What's so sad about that is that the Saipan people were being treated very nicely by the American military. Word filtered back to the Japan high command. They didn't want the Japanese people to find out that the American invaders were compassionate. So they ordered the people of Saipan to commit suicide, and they complied.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 21, 2015 6:12:08 GMT
The Atomic bomb negated the need to invade.
biglinmarshall.proboards.com/thread/2401/atomic-bomb-end-ww2
My views have since evolved to the point of seeing WW2 as unnecesary for US and Western European involvement. Tilting the scales against the axis powers only enabled Mao and Stalin to commit the biggest mass murders in history.
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Post by Big Lin on Feb 21, 2015 15:53:07 GMT
The Atomic bomb negated the need to invade.
biglinmarshall.proboards.com/thread/2401/atomic-bomb-end-ww2
My views have since evolved to the point of seeing WW2 as unnecesary for US and Western European involvement. Tilting the scales against the axis powers only enabled Mao and Stalin to commit the biggest mass murders in history.
Well, as someone who had relatives murdered in Auschwitz and who had family that fought for Britain during the war I certainly can't agree that it wasn't necessary to destroy the Axis powers. |
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 21, 2015 22:20:26 GMT
Feb 20, 2015 15:10:12 GMT -6 chris said: Feb 20, 2015 13:24:10 GMT -6 BushAdmirer said: Chris - Though I do think religions are all entirely bogus with zero legitimacy, and that they're the source of much misery in our world, I don't believe they're the only source of evil and misery. Tyrants like Stalin were evil for different reasons than evil religious nuts like bin Laden or Al Baghdadi or Jim Jones. Hi Bush Admirer, we are all searching for happiness, surely we have that in common? It amazes me, that we all start out as supposedly innocent babes and as adults, what do some of us become? Dictators, murderers, torturers, to name a few. It's hard to believe, don't you think? And we all live together on the one planet. I for one, cannot understand why anyone would want to be so cruel to their fellow travellers through life? It wouldn't surprise me if b4 long, people will want to end it all by taking their own lives, rather than waiting for the atrocities to come their way. It is all so horrible. When the Americans invaded Japan, I read that the women were jumping off cliffs into the water in order to escape being raped by American soldiers, because that is what they expected to happen to them and they would rather drown than suffer the fate of being raped. This world certainly isn't a very nice place to live in at the present time, and I am beginning to wonder if it has ever really been a nice place? I pity the poor people who are right in the midst of the carnage, especially the children who have no idea why it is all happening. Good points Chris. However, the US never invaded Japan. They came close though. The Atomic bomb negated the need to invade. America did invade Okinawa, a large island just south of the Japanese mainland. There were horrendous American casualties there. The local Japanese soldiers were fanatical and suicidal, fighting to the death. I think that's what convinced President Harry Truman to drop the Atomic Bomb, which ended the war. It was the Pacific ocean island of Saipan where the citizens jumped to their deaths of a high cliff into the ocean during the American invasion. What's so sad about that is that the Saipan people were being treated very nicely by the American military. Word filtered back to the Japan high command. They didn't want the Japanese people to find out that the American invaders were compassionate. So they ordered the people of Saipan to commit suicide, and they complied. Wow!!! I certainly didn't know that. I just remember reading that the women were killing themselves, some taking their children with them as well. It's a long time ago now and I had forgotten the details. But if you have all the info at hand, then I will naturally accept your explanation of events. I made a mistake in using the term invading, when I really meant that America declred war on Japan. |
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 21, 2015 22:45:51 GMT
Well, as someone who had relatives murdered in Auschwitz and who had family that fought for Britain during the war I certainly can't agree that it wasn't necessary to destroy the Axis powers. |
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Feb 22, 2015 2:03:01 GMT
Hi Chris - there is an outstanding series of videos on YouTube titled WWII in color. The entire series is well worth watching. There is one on Okinawa that directly pertains to this thread.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 22, 2015 7:11:50 GMT
Well, as someone who had relatives murdered in Auschwitz and who had family that fought for Britain during the war I certainly can't agree that it wasn't necessary to destroy the Axis powers. Hi Big Lin, Two of my brothers served in the Navy during WW2 and were fortunate enough to come through it all safely. My uncle wasn't so lucky, he was captured when Singapore fell into enemy hands and ended up in the well known concentration camp 'Changi' where he was beaten to death by the Japanese. I do believe that the dropping of the Atom Bomb shortened the war. But ofcourse it will always be the public who have no say, who are the ones that suffer. |
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 22, 2015 7:18:09 GMT
Hi Chris - there is an outstanding series of videos on YouTube titled WWII in color. The entire series is well worth watching. There is one on Okinawa that directly pertains to this thread. Hi Bush Admirer, unfortunately my IPhone does not allow me to use the video links. |
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Feb 23, 2015 0:36:51 GMT
Hi Chris - there is an outstanding series of videos on YouTube titled WWII in color. The entire series is well worth watching. There is one on Okinawa that directly pertains to this thread. Hi Bush Admirer, unfortunately my IPhone does not allow me to use the video links. Chris - Your iPhone doesn't support Flash Videos. However, the YouTube app, which you should download from the App Store, uses more up to date HTML5 videos which will work on your iPhone. Open the YouTube App and search for WWII in Color. That series will come up. The entire series is worth a look. The Okinawa edition pertains to this discussion. |
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 23, 2015 4:01:57 GMT
Oh that's not fair to Obama. Bush created the debt he's struggling with. (I called the "Fiscal Cliff", the Bush Republicans Cliff, as it was their time bomb they set off). Plus the republicans have refused to help him raise revenue to address the debt by paying even just SOME of their fair share of taxes. They'd rather America go in the sh**er, and they've said so. Blaming the opposition for the after effects of what awful things they've done with adding staggering amounts of debt is just what the republicans do. Not an opinion, fact. Hi Hunny, that is what has happened in Australia also. The previous Government left the country with a massive deficit, which the present Government is trying to rectify by extricating us from the awful mess that we are now in. |
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