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Post by toby on Dec 20, 2012 17:20:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 18:52:36 GMT
no where in this article from 2009 does it say that the increase is due to mass immigration. It refers to deep seated social problems , that does not equal mass immigration being the cause!
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Post by alanseago on Dec 20, 2012 22:26:18 GMT
Alan types on his keyboard :- Britain was not peaceful when I was a teenager. Violent teddy boys with cut-throat razors had taken over from cosh-boys and flick-knife wielders. One never looked a ted in the eyes unless offering a deliberate challenge. Razor blades imbedded in the sides of boot soles were also considered suitable fashion. It was all good clean fun then of course. I emigrated from West Hartlepool to Lancashire then to a Worcester village, London, then Picardie where teenagers boasted of their personal weapons.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2012 13:38:20 GMT
Well said, Alan. My Mum (like me) is an East Ender and she still lives there while I moved out some years back.
She reckoins East London is SAFER now that it was when she was a kid!
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Post by sadie1263 on Dec 21, 2012 15:10:01 GMT
I think all places go thru cycles. I notice here that the South side of town has always been the lower income and dangerous side of town........when I drive thru that area now I notice many spots are rebuilding, remodeling and sprucing things up.......of course there are still bad areas.........but I think you always have people that are willing to stay the same and just wallow in their bad luck......and others that want a better life....and want to make things better around them.
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Post by toby on Dec 21, 2012 17:28:22 GMT
gibby posted.:-no where in this article from 2009 does it say that the increase is due to mass immigration
Toby comments.:- Can you think of any other reason why the crime figures have risen so much ?? I knew London in the 60s and early 70's, it was safe to walk around by yourself. Not now it isn't !!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2012 17:39:59 GMT
Well, Toby, my parents lived in London in the sixties and 70s (they still do as it happens).
Both of them say that (except for a few areas) it's actually SAFER now than it was then. Like I said, the East End is particularly much safer than what it was.
And yes, I can think of LOADS of reasons why the crime figures have risen.
In the first place there's more crimes on the statute books a lot of which aren't really crimes at all.
Second there's been a totally pointless 'war on drugs' which can''t be won and which has made the whole problem worse.
Thirdly a lot depends on how you collect and analyse figures. Overall crime has been going DOWN and NOT up.
But of course to rightoids with a vested interest in scaring people and trying to demonise immigrants and foreigners any convenient lie will do!
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Post by sadie1263 on Dec 21, 2012 19:54:45 GMT
I don't think it is an issue of rightoids or leftists........the person or group making statistics often have a reason to skew them to what they want them to say.
You are right....a lot of crimes weren't on the books before.
Also....I agree that the war on drugs is pointless. Think we would be better served to legalize them and tax them. That way there would be some controls and it would take the money out of them from cartels. Think of the crime reduction that would be!!
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Post by toby on Dec 22, 2012 13:03:53 GMT
donna posted.;-But of course to rightoids with a vested interest in scaring people and trying to demonise immigrants and foreigners any convenient lie will do!
Toby comments.:- Let us not forget that Leftoids orchestrated the Mass Immigration ! The head Leftoid is Tony Blair and he is on record saying he did not regret engineering the mass immigration. Let us never forget he never asked the British folk what they wanted ! Let us never forget that Immigrants are over-represented in crime statistics ! Let us never forget that Foreigners working in the UK and sending the money they earn abroad is a significant cause of the massive inflation now crippling the UK !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 15:41:53 GMT
donna posted.;-But of course to rightoids with a vested interest in scaring people and trying to demonise immigrants and foreigners any convenient lie will do! Toby comments.:- Let us not forget that Leftoids orchestrated the Mass Immigration ! The head Leftoid is Tony Blair and he is on record saying he did not regret engineering the mass immigration. Let us never forget he never asked the British folk what they wanted ! Let us never forget that Immigrants are over-represented in crime statistics ! Let us never forget that Foreigners working in the UK and sending the money they earn abroad is a significant cause of the massive inflation now crippling the UK ! Well, for what it's worth the first BIG wave of immigration into Britain was deliberatedly orchestrated byt the rightoids Duncan Sandys and - shock horror! - Enoch Powell! Let's never forget that governments NEVER ask people what they want. Right-wing governemnts ared even WORSE about that than left-wing ones. What happened to Cameron's 'promise' of a referendum on the EU? Anyone who thinks Blair is a leftie is living in a fantasy world. Immigrants are over-represented in SOME c rime statistiscs.. and UNDER-represented in others. Most burglarieys for instance are carried out by white British people. So are most rapes. Your last senten ce is just totla bollocks.. I reckon the rot set in when we let the Anglo-Saxons move in next door!
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Post by toby on Dec 22, 2012 22:36:50 GMT
Donna posted.:-I reckon the rot set in when we let the Anglo-Saxons move in next door!
Toby comments.:- King Vortigern invited the Angles and Saxons to come to settle parts of eastern Britain, he wanted them to help defend the Kingdom against the wild Caledonians.
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Post by toby on Dec 22, 2012 22:40:12 GMT
Donna posted.:-Right-wing governemnts ared even WORSE about that than left-wing ones.
What happened to Cameron's 'promise' of a referendum on the EU?
Toby comments.:- Cameron is not Right Wing ! He lied to us all, I admit that ! but it will be his undoing at the next election !! UKIP will scarf a mass of votes from the Tories and I hope Cameron loses then Milliband will be able to finish Britain off for good, then you will see the revolution.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2012 0:05:03 GMT
Donna posted.:-I reckon the rot set in when we let the Anglo-Saxons move in next door! Toby comments.:- King Vortigern invited the Angles and Saxons to come to settle parts of eastern Britain, he wanted them to help defend the Kingdom against the wild Caledonians. Rather like when Duncan Sandys invited in the Kenyan Asians, in fact!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2012 0:10:14 GMT
Donna posted.:-Right-wing governemnts ared even WORSE about that than left-wing ones. What happened to Cameron's 'promise' of a referendum on the EU? Toby comments.:- Cameron is not Right Wing ! He lied to us all, I admit that ! but it will be his undoing at the next election !! UKIP will scarf a mass of votes from the Tories and I hope Cameron loses then Milliband will be able to finish Britain off for good, then you will see the revolution. Even if Milliband wins he won't have the power to finish Britain off (which isn't what he wants to do anyway; in his eyes, like Breivik, he thinks he's doing the right thing). And you won't see a revolution in Britain anyway and if you did it would be a left-wing one rather than a right-wing one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2012 8:55:38 GMT
I think left wing and right wing are as bad as each other , which ever Government gets in they always seem to f**k it up!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2012 8:56:40 GMT
gibby posted.:-no where in this article from 2009 does it say that the increase is due to mass immigration Toby comments.:- Can you think of any other reason why the crime figures have risen so much ?? I knew London in the 60s and early 70's, it was safe to walk around by yourself. Not now it isn't !! Yes there are a number of reasons for it. The disintigration of family values being one !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2012 20:13:16 GMT
Dead right, Gibby!
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Post by sadie1263 on Dec 24, 2012 15:38:17 GMT
What do you think has led to the disintegration of family values?
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Post by alanseago on Dec 24, 2012 16:36:14 GMT
What do you think has led to the disintegration of family values? Brussels and that Euro.
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Post by toby on Dec 24, 2012 19:36:42 GMT
Donna posted.:-Well, for what it's worth the first BIG wave of immigration into Britain was deliberatedly orchestrated byt the rightoids Duncan Sandys and - shock horror! - Enoch Powell!
Toby comments.;- There was a need for qualified staff to work in the NHS. Folk from India were invited to come to the UK, they were checked for Qualifications, they were given a Medical and they all found jobs quickly and they integrated !
That's a big difference from the open doors policy with NO checks that let Millions of folk come to the UK most had no job to go to, they didn't get a Medical check either which is why Tuberculosis is on the rise and there are regular cases of LEPROSY in the UK.
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