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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2012 19:40:27 GMT
Donna posted.:-Well, for what it's worth the first BIG wave of immigration into Britain was deliberatedly orchestrated byt the rightoids Duncan Sandys and - shock horror! - Enoch Powell! Toby comments.;- There was a need for qualified staff to work in the NHS. Folk from India were invited to come to the UK, they were checked for Qualifications, they were given a Medical and they all found jobs quickly and they integrated ! That's a big difference from the open doors policy with NO checks that let Millions of folk come to the UK most had no job to go to, they didn't get a Medical check either which is why Tuberculosis is on the rise and there are regular cases of LEPROSY in the UK. Well, the way it comes across to me is that whenever the right does something it's ok but whenever the left does the same thing it's wrong. I'd have thought the more logical thing was to be consistent and say that both were right or both were wrong. But of course if you start using logic you can't be racially prejudiced! Now get down off of your soapbox, mate, and have a big East End hug for Christmas!
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Post by toby on Dec 24, 2012 19:43:37 GMT
Sadie posted.:-What do you think has led to the disintegration of family values?
Toby comments.:- There are a few reasons but Immigration is the main one because Immigration created a massive rise in the price of Property which meant that no longer did you have Daddy going to work whilst Mummy stayed at home as a Housewife, Mummy had to work too other wise the Family could not afford to pay the Mortgage when they wanted to buy a House. Mummy was not there when the Children returned from school so the Family bond started to unravel and children started to get into trouble, join gangs, etc. Another reason is the media, our children look at MTV and think that scantily clad half-castes showing their bits is normal, that they can get a job in showbiz without any need to study. Then you have the lack of discipline at school, Teachers being afraid of the pupils so don't try to enforce simple rules. And so on ...
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Post by toby on Dec 24, 2012 19:45:39 GMT
Donna posted.;-Now get down off of your soapbox, mate, and have a big East End hug for Christmas!
Toby comments.:- I will reciprocate that kind gesture. All the best !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2012 19:46:28 GMT
The culture of 'me, me, me' and the culture of 'I want it now now now or even quicker if possible.'
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 26, 2012 13:23:12 GMT
no where in this article from 2009 does it say that the increase is due to mass immigration. It refers to deep seated social problems , that does not equal mass immigration being the cause! in europe, it does, hon.
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 26, 2012 13:27:00 GMT
Alan types on his keyboard :- Britain was not peaceful when I was a teenager. Violent teddy boys with cut-throat razors had taken over from cosh-boys and flick-knife wielders. One never looked a ted in the eyes unless offering a deliberate challenge. Razor blades imbedded in the sides of boot soles were also considered suitable fashion. It was all good clean fun then of course. I emigrated from West Hartlepool to Lancashire then to a Worcester village, London, then Picardie where teenagers boasted of their personal weapons. it was a hell of a lot more peaceful than it is now. yeah, you had the teddys and several other like groups. you have the council estates, where the fools like to drown kids to steal their bicycles. you also have a gun ban that works so well that five 13-15 year old punks can blow away and eleven year old boy to steal his bicycle. however, the primary problem is the horde of middle easterners into the country, so abjectly stupid that they think they possess a right to continue their despicable customs in britain. THAT is the cause of the steep rise in crime
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 26, 2012 13:28:55 GMT
I think all places go thru cycles. I notice here that the South side of town has always been the lower income and dangerous side of town........when I drive thru that area now I notice many spots are rebuilding, remodeling and sprucing things up.......of course there are still bad areas.........but I think you always have people that are willing to stay the same and just wallow in their bad luck......and others that want a better life....and want to make things better around them. but, that is the reason why, once a ghetto, always a ghetto. those who want to make an effort, move out, which leaves only the garbage still there
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 26, 2012 13:51:29 GMT
Well, Toby, my parents lived in London in the sixties and 70s (they still do as it happens). Both of them say that (except for a few areas) it's actually SAFER now than it was then. Like I said, the East End is particularly much safer than what it was. And yes, I can think of LOADS of reasons why the crime figures have risen. In the first place there's more crimes on the statute books a lot of which aren't really crimes at all. Second there's been a totally pointless 'war on drugs' which can''t be won and which has made the whole problem worse. Thirdly a lot depends on how you collect and analyse figures. Overall crime has been going DOWN and NOT up. But of course to rightoids with a vested interest in scaring people and trying to demonise immigrants and foreigners any convenient lie will do! of course, NONE of those are true. the PRIMARY reason is the LEFTOIDS have allowed cretins to establish their own courts and have their own imbecilic laws, and flaunt their lunacy in public. how many "honor" killings were there in england thirty years ago? how many have there been in the past ten years? THERE is the ONLY answer to why crime has risen so high
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 26, 2012 13:56:42 GMT
I don't think it is an issue of rightoids or leftists........the person or group making statistics often have a reason to skew them to what they want them to say. You are right....a lot of crimes weren't on the books before. Also....I agree that the war on drugs is pointless. Think we would be better served to legalize them and tax them. That way there would be some controls and it would take the money out of them from cartels. Think of the crime reduction that would be!! for sure, taxing drugs would be a good source of revenue. if only the government could sell it like here with liquor, it would be an even better source of revenue. other than that, legalizing drugs would do NOTHING to lower crime. back when i was doing drugs, i worked to get the money to buy them. very few do. the worthless trash that now steal to get money for drugs will continue to steal and murder to get drugs. the ONLY difference will be where that money ends up
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 26, 2012 14:01:06 GMT
I think left wing and right wing are as bad as each other , which ever Government gets in they always seem to f**k it up!! the bnp would certainly put britain back on the right track, but, ukip has a better chance of success, and a step in the right direction
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 26, 2012 14:02:59 GMT
What do you think has led to the disintegration of family values? Brussels and that Euro. you're absolutely correct, but, i thought that you were in love with the trash in brussels
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 26, 2012 14:06:10 GMT
Donna posted.:-Well, for what it's worth the first BIG wave of immigration into Britain was deliberatedly orchestrated byt the rightoids Duncan Sandys and - shock horror! - Enoch Powell! Toby comments.;- There was a need for qualified staff to work in the NHS. Folk from India were invited to come to the UK, they were checked for Qualifications, they were given a Medical and they all found jobs quickly and they integrated ! That's a big difference from the open doors policy with NO checks that let Millions of folk come to the UK most had no job to go to, they didn't get a Medical check either which is why Tuberculosis is on the rise and there are regular cases of LEPROSY in the UK. they integrated THAT is the cause of britain's regression. the indians DID assimilate into the culture. the riffraff from the middle east think that they have a right to bring middle eastern culture into the uk. obviously, NO ONE has a right to move to another country unless they absorb into the culture of that country, and leave their neanderthal ways
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 26, 2012 14:08:32 GMT
Sadie posted.:-What do you think has led to the disintegration of family values? Toby comments.:- There are a few reasons but Immigration is the main one because Immigration created a massive rise in the price of Property which meant that no longer did you have Daddy going to work whilst Mummy stayed at home as a Housewife, Mummy had to work too other wise the Family could not afford to pay the Mortgage when they wanted to buy a House. Mummy was not there when the Children returned from school so the Family bond started to unravel and children started to get into trouble, join gangs, etc. Another reason is the media, our children look at MTV and think that scantily clad half-castes showing their bits is normal, that they can get a job in showbiz without any need to study. Then you have the lack of discipline at school, Teachers being afraid of the pupils so don't try to enforce simple rules. And so on ... you certainly get an A+ for that. you are a million percent right on
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 26, 2012 14:10:33 GMT
The culture of 'me, me, me' and the culture of 'I want it now now now or even quicker if possible.' definitely. that mindset is what has made the past three or four generations worthless. it began with the stupidity of benjamin spock, and has been ingrained in each successive generation, until now, when it probably can't get any worse
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Post by sadie1263 on Dec 26, 2012 15:53:03 GMT
Besides the mindset of entitlement being a HUGE problem......is the belief that nothing is anyone's fault anymore.
It's not your fault you are fat.....it's McDonalds.....it's not your fault you put a nail in your head....it's Sears for selling you a nail gun.........it's not your fault you killed someone....it's your parents.......
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Post by alanseago on Dec 26, 2012 17:20:02 GMT
Besides the mindset of entitlement being a HUGE problem......is the belief that nothing is anyone's fault anymore. It's not your fault you are fat.....it's McDonalds.....it's not your fault you put a nail in your head....it's Sears for selling you a nail gun.........it's not your fault you killed someone....it's your parents....... It was thus in my teenage years circa 1670s and the aged were moaning, "It wasn't like that in our days".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 18:03:38 GMT
I think left wing and right wing are as bad as each other , which ever Government gets in they always seem to f**k it up!! the bnp would certainly put britain back on the right track, but, ukip has a better chance of success, and a step in the right direction UKIP has a lot of ideas I don't agree with but I do think that their basic point - that we should be in charge of our own affairs instead of a bunch of bureaucrats from Brussels - is right and is what's eventually going to happen. Either the EU will collapse or we'll pull out of it. I just can't see it survivign. I don;'t much like the economic ideas of UKIP whihc seem to be pretty much let it all hang out capitalism but at least they're not racists or people who want to take away our freedom. The BNP is a different kettle of fish altogether aned I'd dread the idea of that bunch of toerags getting into power. Fortunatley they've got no one muych above the level of a footabll hooligan!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 18:12:35 GMT
Donna posted.:-Well, for what it's worth the first BIG wave of immigration into Britain was deliberatedly orchestrated byt the rightoids Duncan Sandys and - shock horror! - Enoch Powell! Toby comments.;- There was a need for qualified staff to work in the NHS. Folk from India were invited to come to the UK, they were checked for Qualifications, they were given a Medical and they all found jobs quickly and they integrated ! That's a big difference from the open doors policy with NO checks that let Millions of folk come to the UK most had no job to go to, they didn't get a Medical check either which is why Tuberculosis is on the rise and there are regular cases of LEPROSY in the UK. they integrated THAT is the cause of britain's regression. the indians DID assimilate into the culture. the riffraff from the middle east think that they have a right to bring middle eastern culture into the uk. obviously, NO ONE has a right to move to another country unless they absorb into the culture of that country, and leave their neanderthal ways Is that what happened with the immigrants to America? They integrated into Indian culture and left their European ways behind?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 18:36:06 GMT
Besides the mindset of entitlement being a HUGE problem......is the belief that nothing is anyone's fault anymore. It's not your fault you are fat.....it's McDonalds.....it's not your fault you put a nail in your head....it's Sears for selling you a nail gun.........it's not your fault you killed someone....it's your parents....... totally agree with this
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 26, 2012 21:03:08 GMT
the bnp would certainly put britain back on the right track, but, ukip has a better chance of success, and a step in the right direction UKIP has a lot of ideas I don't agree with but I do think that their basic point - that we should be in charge of our own affairs instead of a bunch of bureaucrats from Brussels - is right and is what's eventually going to happen. Either the EU will collapse or we'll pull out of it. I just can't see it survivign. I don;'t much like the economic ideas of UKIP whihc seem to be pretty much let it all hang out capitalism but at least they're not racists or people who want to take away our freedom. The BNP is a different kettle of fish altogether aned I'd dread the idea of that bunch of toerags getting into power. Fortunatley they've got no one muych above the level of a footabll hooligan! your misgivings about the ukip are correct, but, the most important thing is getting out of the travesty called the european union. there is not a single good thing that can be said for it. the sooner it is destroyed, the better. after they have successfully gotten rid of the eu, their perverted capitalistic ideas can be eliminated.
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