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Jun 19, 2015 1:26:09 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 19, 2015 1:26:09 GMT
Hi Big Lin, God is Spirit and will continue to be Spirit. We as Soul are Spirit also. The physical dimension has been created especially for Soul to learn certain things. The physical body was created in order to house Soul and is used as a tool to provide these experiences
By your actions you are creating future experiences, so if you are acting in an irresponsible way and engaging in wrongdoing then that is what you have created for yourself in the future.
It is up to you to resolve your own problems, and until you are able to do this you will keep dropping the body inthe process of death, entering the next dimension, working out the best way to resolve these problems, then being reborn again into a new body, that will once again give you that opportunity to get it right if you don't muck it up with the wrong decisions.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 19, 2015 3:59:47 GMT
hi Big Lin, You are still not comprehending. Karma is the Law. You reap what you sow is the result of what you yourself puts into action. So that stays your responsibility, you cannot run away from that fact. You are the one making the choices all the time. The path is there for you to learn and that includes all the baggage that you put into action which still needs to be resolved. Until you resolve these problems they will stay with you as Karma, which is ofcoursethe results of prior action. It is very rare for a Soul to get rid of the consequences of its actions in one lifetime, hence the reason for reincarnation. The actions that are not of a Godly nature will follow you until you realise that they need to be resolved, and when this has been achieved you evolve spiritually step by step until you are able to enter the Kingdom of God. In one sense Christianity and Eckankar are similiar. Christ forgave the sins, but his followers had to pay thrir debts. The Eckankar masters prefer to say karma for sin and help their followers to work it off in a productive manner.
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Post by blc on Jun 19, 2015 15:55:46 GMT
hi Big Lin, You are still not comprehending. Karma is the Law. You reap what you sow is the result of what you yourself puts into action. So that stays your responsibility, you cannot run away from that fact. You are the one making the choices all the time. The path is there for you to learn and that includes all the baggage that you put into action which still needs to be resolved. Until you resolve these problems they will stay with you as Karma, which is ofcoursethe results of prior action. It is very rare for a Soul to get rid of the consequences of its actions in one lifetime, hence the reason for reincarnation. The actions that are not of a Godly nature will follow you until you realise that they need to be resolved, and when this has been achieved you evolve spiritually step by step until you are able to enter the Kingdom of God. In one sense Christianity and Eckankar are similiar. Christ forgave the sins, but his followers had to pay thrir debts. The Eckankar masters prefer to say karma for sin and help their followers to work it off in a productive manner. Careful ♫anna♫ , We are told that we cannot serve two masters and that we are not to go after false gods. Big Lin has already shown that the Judeo/Christian God is NOT compatible with the false god/faith, that Scottish Lassie follows.
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Jun 21, 2015 14:59:51 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 21, 2015 14:59:51 GMT
In one sense Christianity and Eckankar are similiar. Christ forgave the sins, but his followers had to pay thrir debts. The Eckankar masters prefer to say karma for sin and help their followers to work it off in a productive manner. Careful ♫anna♫ , We are told that we cannot serve two masters and that we are not to go after false gods. Big Lin has already shown that the Judeo/Christian God is NOT compatible with the false god/faith, that Scottish Lassie follows. You are determined to ridicule my belief and you don't really know anything about it. I worship the Supreme Creator and listen to the Holy Spirit, so how can that be the false God that you seem to think that I follow. And by the way there is only one true God. If you are referring to Satan? He is a fallen angel, not a God. Is it your intention to follow me around warning everyone that I'm conversing with, and giving them the real gen as you know it.? ECKANKAR believes in Divine Love and this seems to be something you apparently lack, by the behaviour that you are displaying. I think you should take a good look at yourself for starters, before you start being so critical of me. I don't think you are proving to be a very nice person.
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Post by blc on Jun 21, 2015 17:57:56 GMT
Careful ♫anna♫ , We are told that we cannot serve two masters and that we are not to go after false gods. Big Lin has already shown that the Judeo/Christian God is NOT compatible with the false god/faith, that Scottish Lassie follows. You are determined to ridicule my belief and you don't really know anything about it. I worship the Supreme Creator and listen to the Holy Spirit, so how can that be the false God that you seem to think that I follow. And by the way there is only one true God. If you are referring to Satan? He is a fallen angel, not a God. Is it your intention to follow me around warning everyone that I'm conversing with, and giving them the real gen as you know it.? ECKANKAR believes in Divine Love and this seems to be something you apparently lack, by the behaviour that you are displaying. I think you should take a good look at yourself for starters, before you start being so critical of me. I don't think you are proving to be a very nice person. The same could be said of you and your posts to me at my site. As Big Lin pointed out, your beliefs are not compatible with the Judeo/Christian God. Sorry if that offends you but facts are facts. I don't follow you around, I'm staff here and I am entitled to post my opinion, just as you post yours.
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Jun 21, 2015 19:23:13 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 21, 2015 19:23:13 GMT
You are determined to ridicule my belief and you don't really know anything about it. I worship the Supreme Creator and listen to the Holy Spirit, so how can that be the false God that you seem to think that I follow. And by the way there is only one true God. If you are referring to Satan? He is a fallen angel, not a God. Is it your intention to follow me around warning everyone that I'm conversing with, and giving them the real gen as you know it.? ECKANKAR believes in Divine Love and this seems to be something you apparently lack, by the behaviour that you are displaying. I think you should take a good look at yourself for starters, before you start being so critical of me. I don't think you are proving to be a very nice person. The same could be said of you and your posts to me at my site. As Big Lin pointed out, your beliefs are not compatible with the Judeo/Christian God. Sorry if that offends you but facts are facts. I don't follow you around, I'm staff here and I am entitled to post my opinion, just as you post yours. I am glad that my belief is not compatible with BigLin's, but that is not the point, that is the 2nd time you have warned Anna, are you going to make a habit of it? A religious belief means nothing if you are only paying lip service. I live my religion which is all about Divine love. The only one who seems to be showing love is Anna. I certainly don't go around warning people about you. so why should you be doing it to me? You have a bee in your bonnet for sure!!!
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 21, 2015 20:51:56 GMT
I'd like to ask everyone to keep the discussion focused on issues, please.
We're all human and we can all lose our temper and goodness knows I've been guilty of going over the top myself more than once but it doesn't have to be this way.
Chris, you and I and BLC and a few other members like Anna or Gibby also belong to other forums so it's bound to happen that we bump into each other.
That doesn't mean that anyone is following you around.
I value all my members and I very much enjoy the discussion between us.
I've belonged to over 100 forums in my time and the ones where no one disagrees turn into cults or die.
That won't happen here.
Let's get back to the fundamental issues.
We can regard what the poster is saying as being morally dubious without implying that the poster is morally dubious themselves.
Let's keep it that way, please!
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Post by toetapping on Jun 21, 2015 22:33:43 GMT
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Post by blc on Jun 22, 2015 16:48:28 GMT
The same could be said of you and your posts to me at my site. As Big Lin pointed out, your beliefs are not compatible with the Judeo/Christian God. Sorry if that offends you but facts are facts. I don't follow you around, I'm staff here and I am entitled to post my opinion, just as you post yours. I am glad that my belief is not compatible with BigLin's, but that is not the point, that is the 2nd time you have warned Anna, are you going to make a habit of it? A religious belief means nothing if you are only paying lip service. I live my religion which is all about Divine love. The only one who seems to be showing love is Anna. I certainly don't go around warning people about you. so why should you be doing it to me? You have a bee in your bonnet for sure!!! Here is what I posted to Anna. It was a caution again what you espouse, not YOU personally. I was speaking about the false gods mentioned in the bible, not satan. Amon, Ashtoreth, Baal, Baal-Zebub, Bel, Marduk. Nebo, Chemosh, Dagon, Molech, Zeus and Hermes . The worship of false gods was a snare to YHWH’s people. YHWH is the God of the faith that Jesus followed, he followed no other.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 18:15:35 GMT
I am glad that my belief is not compatible with BigLin's, but that is not the point, that is the 2nd time you have warned Anna, are you going to make a habit of it? A religious belief means nothing if you are only paying lip service. I live my religion which is all about Divine love. The only one who seems to be showing love is Anna. I certainly don't go around warning people about you. so why should you be doing it to me? You have a bee in your bonnet for sure!!! Here is what I posted to Anna. It was a caution again what you espouse, not YOU personally. I was speaking about the false gods mentioned in the bible, not satan. Amon, Ashtoreth, Baal, Baal-Zebub, Bel, Marduk. Nebo, Chemosh, Dagon, Molech, Zeus and Hermes . The worship of false gods was a snare to YHWH’s people. YHWH is the God of the faith that Jesus followed, he followed no other. BLC why are they false Gods? Certainly they lost out in the competing with other religions over the years, but does that make them false. That Christianity won to the point that Paul found ways to convert community congregations for Pagans to community Christian gathers ws a narrowly won race, but even here it might have fallen out of favor except that Rome adopted it.
And certainly the incursion of Islam into Europe would likely have taken all of Europe if it were not for Charles Martel. If history demonstrates any thing, it is that things could easily gone a different way. Are you sure that all of those false Gods have been beaten. Might they not return stronger than ever, Islam is certainly offering such a possible future.
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 22, 2015 21:50:12 GMT
Here is what I posted to Anna. It was a caution again what you espouse, not YOU personally. I was speaking about the false gods mentioned in the bible, not satan. Amon, Ashtoreth, Baal, Baal-Zebub, Bel, Marduk. Nebo, Chemosh, Dagon, Molech, Zeus and Hermes . The worship of false gods was a snare to YHWH’s people. YHWH is the God of the faith that Jesus followed, he followed no other. BLC why are they false Gods? Certainly they lost out in the competing with other religions over the years, but does that make them false. That Christianity won to the point that Paul found ways to convert community congregations for Pagans to community Christian gathers ws a narrowly won race, but even here it might have fallen out of favor except that Rome adopted it.
And certainly the incursion of Islam into Europe would likely have taken all of Europe if it were not for Charles Martel. If history demonstrates any thing, it is that things could easily gone a different way. Are you sure that all of those false Gods have been beaten. Might they not return stronger than ever, Islam is certainly offering such a possible future.
I guess the point is that if you are going to quote the Bible as an authority then of course all gods other than the Judaeo-Christian one would have to be thought of as false gods. All kinds of things could have happened in history; the Roman persecutions of Christians weren't always intense and at times around a hundred years or so elapsed. In the third century A.D. Philip the Arabian became the first Christian to be Emperor though he only reigned a few years. He rather than Constantine could have changed things in terms of the status of the religion within the Empire. Basically Nero, Domitian, Marcus Aurelius, Decius, Aurelian, Diocletian and Galerius were the main Emperors under whom systematic persecution took place. So between Nero and Domitian is about thirty years of neglect; between Domitian and Marcus Aurelius about eighty; between him and Decius about another eighty; then Aurelian had about a five-year period and then a gap of about fifteen years. Diocletian and Galerius persecuted Christians for about twenty years but even then because the Roman Empire was so big and regional rulers often ignored imperial dictates things weren't applied across the board. In Britain after the abdication of Diocletian the new Emperor Constantius Chlorus was married to a Christian and his son Constantine decided to 'take it within the pantheon.' At the Council of Nicea he decided what was and wasn't canon so it wasn't even a properly ecumenical council - many Christians couldn't attend and some were deliberately excluded. Even so the majority for the Constantinian compromise was a narrow one and Britain in particular didn't really accept it. Pelagius in effect founded the Church of England just as in the late sixth and early seventh centuries Gregory the Great founded the Church of Rome. And of course Charles Martel's triumph in Poiters/Tours undoubtedly stopped Islam from sweeping all across Europe. But leaving aside any questions of theology it made practical political sense for Constantine to adopt at least a form of Christianity (he was only baptised on his deathbed and up to then continued to worship Sol Invictus - the Unconquerable Sun) but he gave toleration to Christians. His sons were also dubiously Christian - they rejected the Athanasian Creed their father had agreed upon at Nicea and preferred the Arian version of Christianity which basically saw Jesus as a holy man sent by God but not God or divine himself. Only when Valentinian became Emperor was Christianity in the 'orthodox' sense of the word imposed on the Empire and even there its hold on the outer fringes like North Africa, Armenia, Iraq and Britain was tenuous. Of course within thirty years of Valentinian's accession Theodosius began to put 'heretics' to death. His action in publicly executing a heretic was condemned by Saint Jerome but sadly it wasn't long before both his successors and the Christian community in general began murdering and executing people with different religious beliefs. Ironically the best research has shown that the famous shrine of Santiago de Compostella is almost certainly NOT the grave of St James but the burial place of the 'heretic' Priscillian!
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Post by blc on Jun 22, 2015 22:33:39 GMT
Here is what I posted to Anna. It was a caution again what you espouse, not YOU personally. I was speaking about the false gods mentioned in the bible, not satan. Amon, Ashtoreth, Baal, Baal-Zebub, Bel, Marduk. Nebo, Chemosh, Dagon, Molech, Zeus and Hermes . The worship of false gods was a snare to YHWH’s people. YHWH is the God of the faith that Jesus followed, he followed no other. BLC why are they false Gods? Certainly they lost out in the competing with other religions over the years, but does that make them false. That Christianity won to the point that Paul found ways to convert community congregations for Pagans to community Christian gathers ws a narrowly won race, but even here it might have fallen out of favor except that Rome adopted it.
And certainly the incursion of Islam into Europe would likely have taken all of Europe if it were not for Charles Martel. If history demonstrates any thing, it is that things could easily gone a different way. Are you sure that all of those false Gods have been beaten. Might they not return stronger than ever, Islam is certainly offering such a possible future.
To an atheist, they wouldn't be false at all. Its a curious thing though that their names are still in the bible, but 'YHWH' was removed.
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 22, 2015 23:23:24 GMT
BLC why are they false Gods? Certainly they lost out in the competing with other religions over the years, but does that make them false. That Christianity won to the point that Paul found ways to convert community congregations for Pagans to community Christian gathers ws a narrowly won race, but even here it might have fallen out of favor except that Rome adopted it.
And certainly the incursion of Islam into Europe would likely have taken all of Europe if it were not for Charles Martel. If history demonstrates any thing, it is that things could easily gone a different way. Are you sure that all of those false Gods have been beaten. Might they not return stronger than ever, Islam is certainly offering such a possible future.
To an atheist, they wouldn't be false at all. Its a curious thing though that their names are still in the bible, but 'YHWH' was removed. Surely to an atheist all gods would be false gods in the sense that they didn't exist.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 2:02:14 GMT
Big Lin's comment, " . . . Surely to an atheist all gods would be false gods in the sense that they didn't exist. . . " is a good one. At the same time, relative to this dialog, the Atheist position as to the reality of God(s) isn't meaningful.
To those who are believers, their God (of whatever stripe) is very real to them. This would seem to be some type of contention between believers of different Gods, sort of a, 'my God is real and yours is not real.
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Post by blc on Jun 23, 2015 7:31:02 GMT
To an atheist, they wouldn't be false at all. Its a curious thing though that their names are still in the bible, but 'YHWH' was removed. Surely to an atheist all gods would be false gods in the sense that they didn't exist. Exactly and some spend a lot of time trying to remove from society, that which they don't even believe exists. Ironic!
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 23, 2015 17:24:01 GMT
Big Lin's comment, " . . . Surely to an atheist all gods would be false gods in the sense that they didn't exist. . . " is a good one. At the same time, relative to this dialog, the Atheist position as to the reality of God(s) isn't meaningful. To those who are believers, their God (of whatever stripe) is very real to them. This would seem to be some type of contention between believers of different Gods, sort of a, 'my God is real and yours is not real. I guess that depends on the individuals and the groups, Menantol. The Romans for example would have had no problem with the Christians if they'd been willing to worship the Emperor as well as their own God. Even the Quran accepts that it's OK for Zoroastrians to worship two Gods - Ahura Mazda and Ahriman. And of course I firmly believe that some versions of Christianity are heretical. But the problem isn't what people believe - it;s trying to impose their beliefs on others by force.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 21:13:55 GMT
You are correct about the Romans.
I'm not so sure about the Qur'an allowing Zoroastrianism, but that is a different dialog.
But forcing one's beliefs on others has always been a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 21:17:46 GMT
Surely to an atheist all gods would be false gods in the sense that they didn't exist. Exactly and some spend a lot of time trying to remove from society, that which they don't even believe exists. Ironic! To an Atheist, it is less that they are false Gods but rather people believing in mythology.
Not all who profess to be Atheists are concerned with whether there are representations of Gods or demonstrations of the mystical, rather, many Atheists simply don't pay any attention to such beliefs.
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Post by blc on Jun 24, 2015 5:10:45 GMT
Exactly and some spend a lot of time trying to remove from society, that which they don't even believe exists. Ironic! To an Atheist, it is less that they are false Gods but rather people believing in mythology.
Not all who profess to be Atheists are concerned with whether there are representations of Gods or demonstrations of the mystical, rather, many Atheists simply don't pay any attention to such beliefs.
Some don't, but a lot do, and they want no mention on the currency and work to have it removed from that and other things.
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Jun 24, 2015 19:33:30 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 24, 2015 19:33:30 GMT
BLC why are they false Gods? Certainly they lost out in the competing with other religions over the years, but does that make them false. That Christianity won to the point that Paul found ways to convert community congregations for Pagans to community Christian gathers ws a narrowly won race, but even here it might have fallen out of favor except that Rome adopted it.
And certainly the incursion of Islam into Europe would likely have taken all of Europe if it were not for Charles Martel. If history demonstrates any thing, it is that things could easily gone a different way. Are you sure that all of those false Gods have been beaten. Might they not return stronger than ever, Islam is certainly offering such a possible future.
To an atheist, they wouldn't be false at all. Its a curious thing though that their names are still in the bible, but 'YHWH' was removed. Atheists do not believe in any God, so that is where you are wrong. I do not follow a false God, so you are wrong again. There is only one God and that is the one that I follow, the Creator of all things. I also listen to the Holy Spirit, the Voice of God. I would appreciate it if you would refrain from saying that I follow a false God, because I definitely don't, so you are telling a lie. You should allow others to make up their own minds. I think you are behaving like a Two Bob Watch.
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