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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 1, 2009 14:23:26 GMT
I originally posted this on other forums, which caused a lot of controversy and bitter disputes! These are images from the 2 films made in Germany about the Bachmeier case! In May 1980 7 year old Anna Bachmeier was abducted, raped and murdered in Germany by a recently released sex offender. The evidence against the sex offender was overwhelming and so instead of trying to claim innocence he used a particularly evil tactic very common among such predators. The predator proceeded to cruelly lie claiming that he was the victim because the 7 year old girl flirted with him and tried to blackmail him for money by threatening to tell that he touched her indecently. The predator also slandered this little murdered girl by claiming that she offered to show the predator how her father fondled ( abused ) her and asked him if he wanted to do that too. A year later Anna's mother Marianna Bachmeier, brokenhearted and horrified that she was expected to dignify the predator's evil slander with her testimony, smuggled a pistole ( Beretta ) into the courtroom and appearing very calm and composed open fire on the predator in the courtroom killing him and then surrendered her weapon. Several films where made about this tragedy. "Anna's Mother" www.mtv.com/movies/movie/114667/plot.jhtml and "The Bachmeier Case-No Time for Tears".
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Post by drewsmom595 on Feb 1, 2009 15:44:18 GMT
While I clearly can empathize with the mother's rage, I still think what she did is morally and legally wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2009 15:54:02 GMT
Not to mention stupid, as she deprived the court of any opportunity to declre him a liar and vindicate her husband.
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Post by mindy on Feb 1, 2009 16:05:01 GMT
Not to mention stupid, as she deprived the court of any opportunity to declre him a liar and vindicate her husband. It was stupid, but on the other hand I can't blame her for her rage. He did hurt her precious child. I'd say she was a loving, over protective mother who couldn't stand the thought of someone hurting her child. Although she did make a mistake, she wasn't your typical killer.
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Post by trubble on Feb 1, 2009 17:30:24 GMT
I should read up on the story before making the following comment but my honest opinion is that the mother is a hero.
I would happily go to jail and the electric chair for the sake of exacting revenge of some sort on anyone who did this to my daughter.
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Post by cammie on Feb 1, 2009 18:58:55 GMT
This mother deserves a presidential pardon. Not only did she rid the earth of the scum rapist/murderer, she saved the taxpayers hundreds of thousands of would-be wasted dollars on the perv. _________________ This mother did not murder he rapist/murderer, she executed him. Anyone who believes one word of the testimony of a delberate murderer is an raving luatic idiot.
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Post by Big Lin on Feb 1, 2009 19:19:35 GMT
This mother deserves a presidential pardon. Not only did she rid the earth of the scum rapist/murderer, she saved the taxpayers hundreds of thousands of would-be wasted dollars on the perv. _________________ This mother did not murder he rapist/murderer, she executed him. Anyone who believes one word of the testimony of a delberate murderer is an raving luatic idiot. I remember discussing this case on a couple of other boards and my views haven't changed. Marianne Bachmeier did exactly what I or MOST mothers would have done if they were in her position. The guy she killed was a paedophile murderer who wanted to drag her daughter through the mud and force the mother to experience even more grief and pain than she was already going through. I don't think this case should EVER have come to court. What a sad reflection on society that a true heroine like Marianne gets punished by the law yet if she had just let the 'law' take its course he'd have got a slap on the wrist and been out of prison in about five years. Where's the justice in THAT?
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Post by cammie on Feb 1, 2009 22:04:33 GMT
Perhaps Germany has a system of pardon for this mother. Having to listen to lying trash murderers on the witness stand is outrageous. The murderer in my case lied through their teeth on the stand and it was all I could do not to stand up screaming bloody murder! I can't even IMAGINE what this poor mother went through, and WHY didn't the prosecution object and shut this scumsucking lying murderer up? Lord in Heaven!!! _________________ As an aside, I would LOVE to have been in that courtroom to see the look on the filthy perv's face when she aimed the gun at his sorry pathetic head! I hope the courtroom audience and officers stood and applauded the rightful execution.
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 1, 2009 22:48:28 GMT
the whole reason that she is a hero is because germany refuses to properly punish garbage. if they did, she should have allowed the law to take its course, however, since germany's adoration of criminals would have allowed this trash to be raping and murdering other children in five years or so, marianne did the ONLY thing that was morally right
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Post by Big Lin on Feb 2, 2009 15:58:07 GMT
the whole reason that she is a hero is because germany refuses to properly punish garbage. if they did, she should have allowed the law to take its course, however, since germany's adoration of criminals would have allowed this trash to be raping and murdering other children in five years or so, marianne did the ONLY thing that was morally right Jim, if the law in Germany did its job properly the trash would have been executed anyway! I agree so much with your last sentence!
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Post by mouse on Feb 3, 2009 14:24:10 GMT
if the law took more care of the innocent and less care of the criminal....the mother was correct in her action
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Post by Big Lin on Feb 3, 2009 16:34:17 GMT
Sadly, the law doesn't seem to care about victims and if we had proper justice it wouldn't have been necessary for Marianne to take the action she did.
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Post by mouse on Feb 3, 2009 22:50:51 GMT
Sadly, the law doesn't seem to care about victims and if we had proper justice it wouldn't have been necessary for Marianne to take the action she did. we all have the right to act independently when the contract between state and citizens fails....and here in the uk the contract is well and truely broken and on more levels than crime and policing/law/justice/etc etc
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 3, 2009 23:58:47 GMT
the whole reason that she is a hero is because germany refuses to properly punish garbage. if they did, she should have allowed the law to take its course, however, since germany's adoration of criminals would have allowed this trash to be raping and murdering other children in five years or so, marianne did the ONLY thing that was morally right Jim, if the law in Germany did its job properly the trash would have been executed anyway! I agree so much with your last sentence! that's the problem. the government of germany refuses to punish criminals, so the real people have no alternative but to properly punish them, as marianne did
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Post by cammie on Feb 4, 2009 21:19:43 GMT
The jelly-spined law prosecuting murderers is not solely the problem of Germay. Here in the US, we can never count on the true enforcement of the law due to plea bagains, idiot juries and judges giving favor. I respect what Marianne did, and the POS baby-raping murderer deserved to be cut down in action.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 4, 2009 22:21:23 GMT
Germany does not have a "Megan's Law" ( tinyurl.com/gf3dq ) and therefore Mrs. Bachmeier and others were not warned that a dangerous and violent predator was being released into their neighborhood. The German government makes itself an accesory to the murders that these predators commit after being released from detention via their refusal to warn the community. Actually i believe these predators must be permanently segregrated from society. True, shooting a predator after his apprehension, especially in a courtroom is a violation of the social contract between the government and the citizens, in which the government has a monopoply over the use of violence, except in cases of self defense. Under anarchy i imagine shooting a murderous predator would be another matter. The question also arises as to the citizens' reactions to a grossly negligent goverment such as Germany, which routinely releases dangerous predators into society without warning after relatively short prison or psychiatric terms. Germany does not have the DP or LWOP to deter predators from reoffending. I think it would be reasonable to argue that should a government refuse to protect it's citizens from violent predators than such vigilante acts against recidivistic murderering predators could be arguably seen as "civil disobedience".
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Post by cammie on Feb 5, 2009 5:15:59 GMT
When do you think Marianne will be released from prison?
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 5, 2009 12:27:07 GMT
When do you think Marianne will be released from prison? she was released in 1985. she was sentenced to six years, and spent three years in prison. far too long for not having done anything wrong, but, that's germany
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♫anna♫
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 5, 2009 12:50:45 GMT
When do you think Marianne will be released from prison? she was released in 1985. she was sentenced to six years, and spent three years in prison. far too long for not having done anything wrong, but, that's germany Mrs. Bachmeier was sentenced by a German court to a 6 year prison term. She served 3 years of that term and emigrated to Italy after her release. Anna was her only child and she never overcame Anna's cruel murder, nor did she ever express regrets for shooting the predator. Marianne Bachmeier wrote a book entitled, "Palermo, Amore Mio", while she lived in Italy. In this book she described Anna in the morgue after the murder. The expression on Anna's face shocked her even further. Instead of the happy, joyful facial expression of her zestful child, who loved life and anticipated so much she saw an expression of such sadness and such desperation that she was convinced by this expression that Anna must have known that she was going to die. Mrs. Bachmeier describes her hurt that she had to contact an undertaker to plan Anna's burial, while other parents were planning for the future of their children. She describes being in the courtroom and how the predator looked at her and grinned. Although Mrs. Bachmeier had the pistole with her she did not react at that time. On the third day of the trial the predator's malicious assertions that 7 year old Anna flirted with him were apparently too much for Mrs. Bachmeier to bear. A play was written about this tragedy in Canada, entitled, "This is for you Anna!" snipurl.com/qv4pwww.ecclectica.ca/issues/2003/1/hyndman.asp In September 1996 Marianne Bachmeier died of cancer in Italy at the age of 46. In accordance with her last will and testament her body was returned to Lubeck, Germany and buried next to her daughter Anna. www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/stz/page/detail.php/1110036
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Post by mindy on Feb 5, 2009 15:06:06 GMT
she was released in 1985. she was sentenced to six years, and spent three years in prison. far too long for not having done anything wrong, but, that's germany Mrs. Bachmeier was sentenced by a German court to a 6 year prison term. She served 3 years of that term and emigrated to Italy after her release. Anna was her only child and she never overcame Anna's cruel murder, nor did she ever express regrets for shooting the predator. Marianne Bachmeier wrote a book entitled, "Palermo, Amore Mio", while she lived in Italy. In this book she described Anna in the morgue after the murder. The expression on Anna's face shocked her even further. Instead of the happy, joyful facial expression of her zestful child, who loved life and anticipated so much she saw an expression of such sadness and such desperation that she was convinced by this expression that Anna must have known that she was going to die. Mrs. Bachmeier describes her hurt that she had to contact an undertaker to plan Anna's burial, while other parents were planning for the future of their children. She describes being in the courtroom and how the predator looked at her and grinned. Although Mrs. Bachmeier had the pistole with her she did not react at that time. On the third day of the trial the predator's malicious assertions that 7 year old Anna flirted with him were apparently too much for Mrs. Bachmeier to bear. A play was written about this tragedy in Canada, entitled, "This is for you Anna!" snipurl.com/qv4pwww.ecclectica.ca/issues/2003/1/hyndman.asp In September 1996 Marianne Bachmeier died of cancer in Italy at the age of 46. In accordance with her last will and testament her body was returned to Lubeck, Germany and buried next to her daughter Anna. www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/stz/page/detail.php/1110036She died a young death too, how sad! She certainly endured alot of suffering in this life. Now her and her daughter are together..
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