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Post by trubble on May 26, 2012 16:05:50 GMT
Well, so far you have shown no research or study to back up any of your statements, and therefore they must all be considered as personal opinion. The question then remains: how informed is the opinion?
It is becoming apparent that you simply don't know enough gay people to be able to comment on the subject.
Your opinion about your own feelings is, of course, a different matter. Perhaps your feelings are the reason that you haven't got enough experience with homosexuality as a natural and happy state. I should think that gay people stay away from you as much as possible. I've been lucky enough to meet with enough gay people that I realise they are just as boring and normal as anyone else on the planet, and have the same ability to love as any heterosexual.
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Post by toby on May 26, 2012 17:48:16 GMT
Trubble posted.:-Perhaps your feelings are the reason that you haven't got enough experience with homosexuality as a natural and happy state.
Toby comments.:- But Homosexuality is Not a natural and happy state is it ? Homosexuals perforn ,'Unnatural acts', not my words but those words Legislaters used to describe the acts that Homosexuals perform.
I fear that the only person you are fooling is yourself ! I suppose that I have been meeting Homosexuals of both genders all my life but none of them made their proclivities known to me, that's probably because they sensed that I am hetero and that it would not gain them anything to let on about their gayness. That you think that you are lucky to mingle a lot with gay people says a lot about you though !
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Post by sadie1263 on May 26, 2012 17:58:39 GMT
Toby comments.;- Because they enter into relationships that are doomed if they wish for conception to take place therefore you cannot expect the blossoming of a nurturing instinct, it's doomed from the word go. What does giving birth have to do with being capable of nurturing? Seem to have plenty of examples that give birth and do nothing but kill and maim their children.........I also know plenty of people that are the mother and father of step children and adopted children......they are every bit their parents.....in every sense of the word.
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Post by sadie1263 on May 26, 2012 18:29:30 GMT
Toby comments.:- But Homosexuality is Not a natural and happy state is it ? Homosexuals perforn ,'Unnatural acts', not my words but those words Legislaters used to describe the acts that Homosexuals perform. I fear that the only person you are fooling is yourself ! I suppose that I have been meeting Homosexuals of both genders all my life but none of them made their proclivities known to me, that's probably because they sensed that I am hetero and that it would not gain them anything to let on about their gayness. That you think that you are lucky to mingle a lot with gay people says a lot about you though ! How do you know that they just weren't interested in you that way? Seems to be a misconception of yours that gay people can't keep their hands off other people.......they go in and out of relationships just like everyone else.....
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2012 19:19:39 GMT
Skylark posted.:-Of course a gay couple will never get a child sharing the genes of both of them but I'm not sure how important that is to most of us. Toby comments.:- On a ratio of zero to Hundred, it has to be zero ! Why would homosexuals wish to have children ? surely they must lack the nurturing instinct and all that , or is it a fashion fad ? What I was querying was the importance of having children with the genes of you and your partner, as opposed to having a baby with a donated egg or sperm. I've always thought that having a child should be enough for anyone who really wanted one - but apparently it isn't. Nature's tricks,. and all that
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Post by lonewolf on May 26, 2012 21:34:20 GMT
Some women are in abusive heterosexual relationships and turning gay is preferable to getting beaten to death! You’ve lost me once again, Anna Banana. How will it stop a woman from getting beaten to death if she turns into a lesbian? Do you mean that she will be able to recruit “Dykes on Bikes” and turn them loose on her abusive husband?
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Post by toby on May 26, 2012 22:17:03 GMT
sadie posted.;-What does giving birth have to do with being capable of nurturing?
Toby comments.:- It is a very well known animal instinct to care for ones young.
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Post by toby on May 26, 2012 22:19:35 GMT
sadie posted.;-Seems to be a misconception of yours that gay people can't keep their hands off other people.
Toby asks.:- And how do arrive at this scenario. You are a psychic ? a mind reader, ? pray tell.
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Post by toby on May 26, 2012 22:24:58 GMT
skylark posted.:-What I was querying was the importance of having children with the genes of you and your partner, as opposed to having a baby with a donated egg or sperm.
Toby comments.;- You made a good point, of course nobody can guaranteee what their child will turn out looking like but a child produced by a couple will tend to take after either or both of the couple. There's no certainty with donated bits though. There was a case in the USA where a Doctor was found to have used his own sperm to fertilize numerous semi-fertile women who had trouble conceiving, instead of using the frozen stuff in the jar he had a quicky off the wrist and used it. He was sent to prison.
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Post by sadie1263 on May 27, 2012 1:55:53 GMT
Toby comments.:- It is a very well known animal instinct to care for ones young. Yeah....tell that to Diane Downs kids.....I think there is one that lived......Susan Smith.....nope none of hers made it.... fathers..... • Teigan Peters Brown (3 years old), shot to death by his father during a court-ordered visit. (Arizona, June 2009) • Bekm Bacon (8 months old), killed by father, who then killed himself during overnight visitation. (Idaho, February 2010) • Janiyah Nicole Hale (1 year old), father is charged with her death during an overnight visitation. He is a registered sex offender. (Alabama, July 2009) oh yeah.......the fact that they were biological parents made them all sorts of nurturing.......
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Post by sadie1263 on May 27, 2012 2:13:25 GMT
Toby asks.:- And how do arrive at this scenario. You are a psychic ? a mind reader, ? pray tell. As I said previously....."it seems". People often have different perceptions of other people's words or actions.
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Post by toby on May 27, 2012 6:00:44 GMT
Sadie posted.:-As I said previously....."it seems".
People often have different perceptions of other people's words or actions.
Toby's comment.:- I would suggest that if you are unsure, it's better to first ask.
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Post by toby on May 27, 2012 6:03:57 GMT
Sadie posted.:-Yeah....tell that to Diane Downs kids.....I think there is one that lived......Susan Smith.....nope none of hers made it.... fathers..... • Teigan Peters Brown (3 years old), shot to death by his father during a court-ordered visit. (Arizona, June 2009) • Bekm Bacon (8 months old), killed by father, who then killed himself during overnight visitation. (Idaho, February 2010) • Janiyah Nicole Hale (1 year old), father is charged with her death during an overnight visitation. He is a registered sex offender. (Alabama, July 2009) oh yeah.......the fact that they were biological parents made them all sorts of nurturing.......
Toby comments.:- Here are a few cases pulled I suppose at random from the Billions of current Families. There will always be anomolies, like you have some folk being homosexual but the vast majority are normal, caring, nurturing Parents ! and as I said, it's an animal instinct to care for ones offspring.
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Post by trubble on May 27, 2012 12:22:22 GMT
Trubble posted.:-Perhaps your feelings are the reason that you haven't got enough experience with homosexuality as a natural and happy state. Toby comments.:- But Homosexuality is Not a natural and happy state is it ? Homosexuals perforn ,'Unnatural acts', not my words but those words Legislaters used to describe the acts that Homosexuals perform. I fear that the only person you are fooling is yourself ! I suppose that I have been meeting Homosexuals of both genders all my life but none of them made their proclivities known to me, that's probably because they sensed that I am hetero and that it would not gain them anything to let on about their gayness. I think people have sensed that I am hetero too, but also sensed that I don't think they are defective in any way? And just treat them as a human being? And they therefore have not felt the need to hide their orientation. I think. I can only surmise as I've never been crass enough to ask a gay person why they felt comfortable enough in my company to speak and act openly. And that's all I meant by gay people keeping away from you: consider that you might be perpetuating your own stereotypes of them by simply signalling your views on homosexuality. A more open mindset might allow you to meet the less militant and more average-joe population. As for unnatural acts, this is just a manmade concept that has no intrinsic meaning. Legislators get things wrong, you know. I don't think you should be prosecuted under the Terrorism Act for taking a photo of a policeman, but at one stage recently in the UK that was the case, was it not? Maybe it still is? I don't know what that means unless it's a compliment? Thank you.
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Post by toby on May 27, 2012 14:46:29 GMT
Trubble posted.;-I don't think you should be prosecuted under the Terrorism Act for taking a photo of a policeman, but at one stage recently in the UK that was the case, was it not? Maybe it still is?
Toby comments.:- It was never an offence to take photographs in a public place although some Polis thought it was, they were swiftly corrected though.
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Post by toby on May 27, 2012 14:50:42 GMT
trubble posted.:-And that's all I meant by gay people keeping away from you:
Toby comments.:- To be honest, I am not really bothered if the folk I meet are homo's or not. I don't go through life wondering if the next person I meet is a homosexual so it doesn't really bother me. I don't frequent gay bars, I don't go to shops where cross-dressers get their gear either, in fact I lead a normal hetero life. It may be boring for some but it does me OK.
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Post by toby on May 27, 2012 14:53:44 GMT
trubble posted.;-As for unnatural acts, this is just a manmade concept that has no intrinsic meaning
Toby comments.:- Not so ! the Bible does tell us that ,'man may not lie (fornicate), with man', ! so that's your hypotheses out of the window because that concept was promulgated by a Deity !
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Post by Synonym on May 27, 2012 15:40:34 GMT
sadie posted.:-Why would they "lack the nurturing instinct"? Toby comments.;- Because they enter into relationships that are doomed if they wish for conception to take place therefore you cannot expect the blossoming of a nurturing instinct, it's doomed from the word go. Some homosexual couples arrange to create children that they can raise (although obviously an outside party will have to supply one half of the procreational material that is required). Being attracted to members of the same sex and having a maternal or paternal instinct do occur in the same individual.
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Post by lonewolf on May 27, 2012 16:42:43 GMT
Not so ! the Bible does tell us that ,'man may not lie (fornicate), with man', ! so that's your hypotheses out of the window because that concept was promulgated by a Deity ! Sorry, Toby, but using a religious text from the bible in an attempt to validate your argument is not going to sell.
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Post by sadie1263 on May 27, 2012 18:26:04 GMT
[quote author=toby board=newsforum thread=3468 post=47014 time=1338098444 Toby's comment.:- I would suggest that if you are unsure, it's better to first ask.[/quote]
How I perceive things is completely up to me. I know that it is just a perception....and doesn't mean that the perception is right or wrong for anyone else........which is really what this thread is all about. What you perceive to be repulsive, wrong...or whatever word you would like to use.......is not repulsive or wrong to others of us here. Your belief works for you.....mine works for me.
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