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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 18, 2009 8:53:53 GMT
This thread should be avoided if you feel depressed or already upset! This film starring Terrence Stamp and Samantha Egger tells the tragedy of a young art student kidnapped by an obsessive butterfly collector, who holds her captive in an underground storage room, which the kidnapper remodeled to fit his evil plans! The young art student deprived of freedom and daylight tries to survive and escape the horror she is subjected too! Very sad!
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Post by beth on Mar 19, 2009 1:39:49 GMT
This may not be what you're looking for, Anna, but an old roman costume epic called "The Silver Chalice" with (I think) Paul Newman and Jack Palance caused me to have a life long fear of heights - well, actually a fear of falling from a high place. When I was a kiddo (about 9 or 10 I think), my sister (5 years older) took me to the matinee with herself and a friend. The movie plot involved an evil emperor who - toward the end - believed he could fly. So, he climbed to the top of a very high tower, donned some sort of fabric wings and . . . fell like a stone. The camera angles really went overboard to create the illusion of falling along with him. Ack!!! Horrible, especially for a little girl who had never even thought of such a thing. This experience has long made me in favor of movie ratings. I did pay attention to them with my children, never wanting them to go through anything similar.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 19, 2009 8:35:12 GMT
This may not be what you're looking for, Anna, but an old roman costume epic called "The Silver Chalice" with (I think) Paul Newman and Jack Palance caused me to have a life long fear of heights - well, actually a fear of falling from a high place. When I was a kiddo (about 9 or 10 I think), my sister (5 years older) took me to the matinee with herself and a friend. The movie plot involved an evil emperor who - toward the end - believed he could fly. So, he climbed to the top of a very high tower, donned some sort of fabric wings and . . . fell like a stone. The camera angles really went overboard to create the illusion of falling along with him. Ack!!! Horrible, especially for a little girl who had never even thought of such a thing. This experience has long made me in favor of movie ratings. I did pay attention to them with my children, never wanting them to go through anything similar. Oh i saw that film too Beth! Some stunt artist did tricks like that to entertain the emperor and he suddenly had this meglomanic belief he could fly! That's a pretty old film! I saw the Sci-fi horror film "It the Terror From Beyond Outer Space" as a child and it terrified me and i was afraid of basements and dark places for quite a while afterwards! The film Alien was based on that film. For an adult it's a much less traumatic film!
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Post by beth on Mar 19, 2009 15:11:03 GMT
This may not be what you're looking for, Anna, but an old roman costume epic called "The Silver Chalice" with (I think) Paul Newman and Jack Palance caused me to have a life long fear of heights - well, actually a fear of falling from a high place. When I was a kiddo (about 9 or 10 I think), my sister (5 years older) took me to the matinee with herself and a friend. The movie plot involved an evil emperor who - toward the end - believed he could fly. So, he climbed to the top of a very high tower, donned some sort of fabric wings and . . . fell like a stone. The camera angles really went overboard to create the illusion of falling along with him. Ack!!! Horrible, especially for a little girl who had never even thought of such a thing. This experience has long made me in favor of movie ratings. I did pay attention to them with my children, never wanting them to go through anything similar. Oh i saw that film too Beth! Some stunt artist did tricks like that to entertain the emperor and he suddenly had this meglomanic belief he could fly! That's a pretty old film! I saw the Sci-fi horror film "It the Terror From Beyond Outer Space" as a child and it terrified me and i was afraid of basements and dark places for quite a while afterwards! The film Alien was based on that film. For an adult it's a much less traumatic film! I think it was probably an older movie when I saw it and had run as a more adult movie originally. Then, our local theater picked it up with films they could rent cheaply and ran it as a matinee. That's where the problem came in. Impressionable tikes had no business viewing that one, imo. I'm sure many others (I also remember an old Vincent Price movie, House of Wax, from that same summer) needed adult supervision. In the case of The Collector, it WAS disturbing, but maybe less so to a child, who may not have picked up on all the nuances. As an adult, I disliked "Candyman" and found it scarier than I wanted to deal with. That brings up another point. I do not enjoy "disturbing" movies for the most part, but, of course, a lot of folks do - which is why many do so well at the box office. We need a poll - "Do You Enjoy Disturbing Movies?" ha!
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 19, 2009 20:23:22 GMT
what y'all call disturbing is the only kind that i really want to watch. if it doesn't have lots of explicit gore, i'm pretty much not interested.
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Post by beth on Mar 20, 2009 0:03:20 GMT
what y'all call disturbing is the only kind that i really want to watch. if it doesn't have lots of explicit gore, i'm pretty much not interested. I don't think gore is necessarily what makes movies disturbing, Jim. It's more the psychological impact.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 20, 2009 11:21:52 GMT
what y'all call disturbing is the only kind that i really want to watch. if it doesn't have lots of explicit gore, i'm pretty much not interested. I don't think gore is necessarily what makes movies disturbing, Jim. It's more the psychological impact. of course, NO movie has a psychological impact on me. whether i'm getting to watch explicit gore, or sitting watching lifetime, a movie is a movie to me. when its over, i watch another one
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 20, 2009 12:10:48 GMT
In the case of The Collector, it WAS disturbing, but maybe less so to a child, who may not have picked up on all the nuances. As an adult, I disliked "Candyman" and found it scarier than I wanted to deal with. That brings up another point. I do not enjoy "disturbing" movies for the most part, but, of course, a lot of folks do - which is why many do so well at the box office. We need a poll - "Do You Enjoy Disturbing Movies?" ha! Oh i saw that film too Beth! Some stunt artist did tricks like that to entertain the emperor and he suddenly had this meglomanic belief he could fly! That's a pretty old film! I saw the Sci-fi horror film "It the Terror From Beyond Outer Space" as a child and it terrified me and i was afraid of basements and dark places for quite a while afterwards! The film Alien was based on that film. For an adult it's a much less traumatic film! You may be right that a child under a certain age wouldn't understand the film "The Collector". If the child realized that the captive woman's parents and friends would never know where she was and she was finally buried in an unmarked grave that only her kidnapper knew of it would be very disturbing! Films that dwell on people just being wrongfully locked away for long periods or forever do disturb me! I visited the ruins of the castle of Konigstein, not far from Frankfurt, Germany and walked through the dungeon part! I was very disturbed by the story of a political prisoner-forgot his name, who was held there hundreds of years ago in one particular cell, until he eventually went insane..Even though his cell was in ruins i felt very upset by his tragedy! I'm glad i wasn't a child anymore when i visited this castle and heard this story! I thought Jeepers Creepers was much scarier and more disturbing than Candy Man!
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Post by beth on Mar 21, 2009 1:04:17 GMT
Thanks, Anna. I'll remember not to watch that one. The last "scary" movie I watched in a theatre was "The Others" and enjoyed it. "The Blair Witch" was silly so it doesn't count. I've gotten good at avoiding all but movies that appeal to me. I DO plan to go see "Watchmen", though I may regret it. Since you're in Europe, you must have access to films from all over. How do you think U.S. movies compare in regard to the presentation of disturbing topics? I think we are probably a bit more timid because of the rating system, but I'm just guessing.
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Post by motorist on Mar 21, 2009 8:37:29 GMT
When I was a young kid I really liked the old black and white movies. The first one I saw was a black and white film and there was an escaped loony called 'the Cat'. I was about 6 and I enjoyed the fact that it WASN'T the serial killer doing it but someone trying to kill other inheritors I did watch slasher films whenb I was a teen, but eventually they bored the crap out of me. I much prefer the mindf*** ones. Hellraiser: Inferno is very good for that, beats the previous slasher ones hands down beth, Watchmen was a very good film, just a couple of tiny warnings: They wanted to keep the best lines from the comic, so a few of them don't sound quite natural - almost forced They changed the plan at the end. Probably because they thought a genetically engineered exploding space psi-squid would have stretched the credultiy of the non-comic audience TOO much ;D I shall be getting the extended DVD. This will also have "Tales of the Black Freighter" on it
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 21, 2009 13:00:55 GMT
Thanks, Anna. I'll remember not to watch that one. The last "scary" movie I watched in a theatre was "The Others" and enjoyed it. "The Blair Witch" was silly so it doesn't count. I've gotten good at avoiding all but movies that appeal to me. I DO plan to go see "Watchmen", though I may regret it. Since you're in Europe, you must have access to films from all over. How do you think U.S. movies compare in regard to the presentation of disturbing topics? I think we are probably a bit more timid because of the rating system, but I'm just guessing. I think US films are more liberal with the "splatter effects".. European films are more liberal with sex and nudity, but the US is catching up! I found the European film "Vanishing" ( tinyurl.com/dguszb ) much more disturbing than the US remake "The Vanishing" with Jeff Bridges because in the European version evil triumphs, like it does in "The Collector". tinyurl.com/djlrf7Watchmen is a "classic" for it's type of film. I felt the Blair Witch film was disturbing as well as the film "Cloverfield", both done with cheapo cameras, which forced the imagination to work more! I never saw "The Others".
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Post by motorist on Mar 21, 2009 13:07:00 GMT
I felt the Blair Witch film was disturbing as well as the film "Cloverfield", both done with cheapo cameras, which forced the imagination to work more! I never saw "The Others". I didn't like Cloverfield, although the idea of it being the story of the camera rather than actual people was a very innovative approach that I liked The Others is a good watch, I recommend it
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Post by Clover on Mar 21, 2009 20:50:46 GMT
I don't think gore is necessarily what makes movies disturbing, Jim. It's more the psychological impact. of course, NO movie has a psychological impact on me. whether i'm getting to watch explicit gore, or sitting watching lifetime, a movie is a movie to me. when its over, i watch another one A very interesting insight into your persona jumbo!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 31, 2009 20:31:00 GMT
I don't think gore is necessarily what makes movies disturbing, Jim. It's more the psychological impact. of course, NO movie has a psychological impact on me. whether i'm getting to watch explicit gore, or sitting watching lifetime, a movie is a movie to me. when its over, i watch another one I think when you really become an adult you can see these unrealistic splatter films, which would horrify children, and not be affected! Horror films for children are different than horror films for adults! When i saw the film "The Bad Seed" as a child i wasn't affected by it as i am now and there are no graphic scenes! Watching this film as an adult breaks my heart and i'm horrified by the thought of having a child that was simply born as a manipulative "psychopath" and can't be helped or changed by environment, positive role models or modern science! This film is especially horrifying for parents!
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Post by beth on Apr 1, 2009 2:55:00 GMT
Yes, "The Bad Seed" is, indeed, very sad. I think children would not see that aspect because they have little sympathy for other children and are very aware of the ones that seem "bad" to them. Adults, especially parents, can find empathy and see the whole tragedy.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Apr 1, 2009 14:46:17 GMT
Yes, "The Bad Seed" is, indeed, very sad. I think children would not see that aspect because they have little sympathy for other children and are very aware of the ones that seem "bad" to them. Adults, especially parents, can find empathy and see the whole tragedy. Of course the film "The Bad Seed" isn't based on a historical case, although it's believable in theory most children who murder live in disturbed environments and don't have the ability to plan, carry out a murder, much less conceal their involvement. The film "Heavenly Creatures" is based on a historical case. 2 adolescents envisioned a "seperate reality" and chose to live in it and were willing to defend their "4th world" with murder. The realities of adolescence are often difficult and unattractive and many of us, like myself, searched for or dreamed of a better world too as an adolescent.
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Post by beth on Apr 2, 2009 1:52:44 GMT
Another one is "Last Summer", '69 with Barbara Hershey, Catherine Burns, Richard Thomas. Teenaged cruelty has been none a number of times, but this one was more troubling than "Heathers", "Mean Girls" or any other I've seen. Here are 2 clips, there are several more on yt, but seeing the whole film is the only way to understand the disturbing impact.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Apr 2, 2009 13:54:34 GMT
I never heard of this film Beth.. Apparently it only exists in the VHS form and is very rare now..Wikipedia gives the plot away.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_SummerIt does sound pretty disturbing and as adults we forget the petty jealousies of adolescence and the exceptional cases of cruelty that result from this.
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Post by beth on Apr 2, 2009 17:57:34 GMT
I never heard of this film Beth.. Apparently it only exists in the VHS form and is very rare now..Wikipedia gives the plot away.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_SummerIt does sound pretty disturbing and as adults we forget the petty jealousies of adolescence and the exceptional cases of cruelty that result from this. I haven't seen it for years, but it popped, easily, into my mind. Must have made an impression. Then, the title just naturally leads to another disturbing movie - "Suddenly Last Summer" (Elizabeth Taylor, Kathrine Hepburn and Montgomery Clift) about 10 years earlier than this one. Here's the (rather long) scene in which Taylor's memory opens up and she describes the details of Sebastian's death. Chewing the scenery for sure, but effective. This one was made after Clift had his face smashed in (by Taylor or a car wreck or something), but it's very easy to imagine him (in his youth - beautiful boy that he was) playing the Sebastian role. If anyone has never seen this one and does not want a spoiler, skip the video.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Apr 5, 2009 4:52:01 GMT
Wikipedia gives away a lot of the plots and storylines, but since i was unfamiliar with this film as well i took a look. tinyurl.com/dawyh8Tennessee Williams seemed to specialise in these disturbing psychodramas.. He was also responsible for "A Streetcar Named Desire".
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