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Post by Lauren on Sept 28, 2011 13:36:45 GMT
Things aren't that rosy in the homosexual subculture! I suspect there are more abusive relationships among Lesbians than in hetero relationships. While it may be true, does being an abusive person have anything to do with ones sexuality? I would think that no matter what relationship a person enters, whether gay or straight, if you are abusive, you will abuse. If you are not abusive, you will not abuse. And abuse has to do with power and control over another person. Not anything to do with ones sexuality. And what is so wrong with that? Qu'est que the huh? I guess I would consider myself a PC person, and I will fight for homosexuals rights until the day I die, but I have NOTHING against a woman who wants to be a mother, or have a heterosexual lifestyle. If thats what makes you happy, go for it. No contempt on my end, just wishes for happiness for that person. What I do find, however, it's those people who strongly oppose homosexual couples holding contempt against two elderly ladies watching dvds together, for example.
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Post by sadie1263 on Sept 28, 2011 13:41:21 GMT
Great response Lauren!!!
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Post by Lauren on Sept 28, 2011 13:46:28 GMT
Some woman wish to have children, a family and Lesbian passions stand in the way. Let's be clear on one thing: It's not 'Lesbian passions' that stand in the way of a lesbian couple not being able to have a family. It's the society they live in, and society not allowing them to have that family. Here in Canada, homosexual couples are allowed to be a family and have a family, 'lesbian and gay passion' and all. There is a time and a place for everything. Dakota is entitled to his own opinion. And if Dakota is entitled to his own opinion, so is the teacher. [/color][/size][/quote] I'm wondering if the video you posted about the woman wanting to be cured was done by Marcus and Michele Bachmann. They have a whole camp based for 'curing' homosexuals. ETA: I watched the youtube video Anna posted about the homosexual wanting to be cured. No where in the video does that young woman state she is homosexual, only that those who are homosexual and can't live with their sexuality should have the choice to be cured of their 'infliction'.
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Post by Big Lin on Sept 28, 2011 14:31:46 GMT
Lauren, in the first place it's great to see you back here. Hope your career is going well!
I pretty much agree with everything you've said.
I've never found that lesbians and gays were any different from homosexuals in terms of being more or less likely to be abusive.
We're all individuals and of course you'll get good and bad people in any type of relationship.
An excellent post and an exalt for you!
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Post by maggie on Sept 28, 2011 18:45:53 GMT
Where did June go?
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Sept 28, 2011 18:53:43 GMT
Yes, I agree that Lauren's posts are very good. One point I might make is that a small minority of gays, who behave outlandishly, may hurt the overall image of gays in the heterosexual community. For example, one thing that's happening now in the Haight Ashbury gay neighborhood in San Francisco is public nudity. Some gay men are walking around naked as jaybirds. You will also see some outrageous costumes and displays of public affection in a neighborhood like that. The same is true for gay vacation communities like Key West, Palm Springs, and Provincetown out at the end of Cape Cod. Link to naked Haight Ashbury Cyclists haightashburytattooandpiercing.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/mc-lady-naked.jpg?w=450&h=300
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Post by Lauren on Sept 28, 2011 19:26:29 GMT
One point I might make is that a small minority of gays, who behave outlandishly, may hurt the overall image of gays in the heterosexual community. For example, one thing that's happening now in the Haight Ashbury gay neighborhood in San Francisco is public nudity. Some gay men are walking around naked as jaybirds. You will also see some outrageous costumes and displays of public affection in a neighborhood like that. The same is true for gay vacation communities like Key West, Palm Springs, and Provincetown out at the end of Cape Cod. Link to naked Haight Ashbury Cyclists haightashburytattooandpiercing.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/mc-lady-naked.jpg?w=450&h=300As you mention, it is a small minority of people who do this, and those actions are not calculative of the majority of the people. However, what is seen in a homosexual community is also true of a heterosexual one. I've seen straight people having sex in parks, walking nude, ect...ect... But do I hold all heterosexuals out to be sex-in-parks-PDA-nudists? No. Just like I don't hold all homosexuals to be naked-weird costume wearing-PDA-cyclists. The only reason why more attention is drawn out to these outrageous people is solely based on their sexuality. Because heterosexual outrageous people are out walking the streets too. Also, wouldn't they get arrested? For public nudity? Is that a law in the USA?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Sept 28, 2011 22:29:45 GMT
Qu'est que the huh? I guess I would consider myself a PC person, and I will fight for homosexuals rights until the day I die, but I have NOTHING against a woman who wants to be a mother, or have a heterosexual lifestyle. If thats what makes you happy, go for it. No contempt on my end, just wishes for happiness for that person. What I do find, however, it's those people who strongly oppose homosexual couples holding contempt against two elderly ladies watching dvds together, for example. No I don't hold two elderly women or for that matter an elderly man and woman watching dvds together in contempt! I was trying to depict a life without children, but my example was awkward!
Yes I simply strongly prefer children of my own in my life. I can understand a woman saying no to a Lesbian relationship or wishing to be cured of Lesbian desires for that reason alone. BTW the guy who doesn't want children in his life gets a no too in my book. If anyone's offended that's tough!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Sept 28, 2011 22:39:40 GMT
Let's be clear on one thing: It's not 'Lesbian passions' that stand in the way of a lesbian couple not being able to have a family. It's the society they live in, and society not allowing them to have that family. Here in Canada, homosexual couples are allowed to be a family and have a family, 'lesbian and gay passion' and all. I suppose you're talking about adoption, which is a different subject.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Sept 29, 2011 0:43:18 GMT
@ Lauren - I agree with your comments.
Could it be that the municipal government of San Francisco is a part of the problem rather than a part of the solution?
They are so pro-gay that they don't discourage or object to outlandish behavior in the gay community. This gives the 'walking nudists' and others a free pass to act outrageously.
What's missing, in my opinion, is an objection from the gay community in San Francisco. If the gay community would look askance at such behavior, I think the city council would shut it down. But that doesn't seem likely to happen.
That's not a negative reflection on gays but on the San Francisco municipal government.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Sept 29, 2011 0:45:44 GMT
Well....people have gotten to lighten up........nobody is going to agree with everything.....but this PC world we are living in has gotten to be a pain in the arse.......If there was harassment or something like that involved.......I could see it.....but to state your opinion and be punished.....is too much. Of course no one is going to agree with everything, and everyone has the right to their own opinions, however, there are situations when it is appropriate to express ones opinion and when it is not. A public school has a diverse group of people, including homosexuals. I don't know if it is true in America, as it is in Canadian highschools, but there is zero tolerance for hate. That includes racism and issues regarding religion and sexuality. What if, hypothetically, Dakota said he believed being a race other then his own race was wrong? Or different religions to the one he believes is wrong? The teacher would have not let those claims pass, in fact, not only would the kid be looked at, but his parents would be too for teaching the kid hate. So what is the difference between race and religion and homosexuality? As far as Dakota's opinion goes it's a matter of religious belief vs present day tolerance. I support free speech for both sides! Hate is violence and wishing bad on others. It's not the topic here. The race card is irrelevant too because no one denies that race comes with birth.
I'm not sure if homosexuality is inborn or some kind of imprintation that occurs later in life. I can't prove those wrong who believe it's a choice either. Maybe for some it is. If my influence can change things than I would try to discourage a homosexual developement in a child if possible!
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Post by Lauren on Sept 29, 2011 1:16:50 GMT
BTW the guy who doesn't want children in his life gets a no too in my book. If anyone's offended that's tough! [/color][/size][/quote] So, are you just against people who can't reproduce or don't want children? Because I don't want children. And I also believe people have the right to chose whether they want to have kids or not, and should not be judged because of that.
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Post by Lauren on Sept 29, 2011 1:18:16 GMT
[ I suppose you're talking about adoption, which is a different subject.Adoption, in-vitro, and surrogacy is what I was referring to in Canada.
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Post by Lauren on Sept 29, 2011 1:31:07 GMT
As far as Dakota's opinion goes it's a matter of religious belief vs present day tolerance. I support free speech for both sides! Hate is violence and wishing bad on others. It's not the topic here. The race card is irrelevant too because no one denies that race comes with birth. I'm not sure if homosexuality is inborn or some kind of imprintation that occurs later in life. I can't prove those wrong who believe it's a choice either. Maybe for some it is. If my influence can change things than I would try to discourage a homosexual developement in a child if possible! It's been known that homosexuality is not a choice (in cases that do not involve a person being sexually assaulted by a member of the opposite sex). People do not choose to become homosexual. They just are. They are born that way. Most homosexuals know as early as kindergarten. And, to be frank, there is more scientific proof or evidence that homosexuality is determined in the womb, then there is proof that God exists. So, to say homosexuality is wrong, when it's proven that homosexuals exist, because of religious belief which is based on faith, with no scientific value.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Sept 29, 2011 2:12:13 GMT
As far as Dakota's opinion goes it's a matter of religious belief vs present day tolerance. I support free speech for both sides! Hate is violence and wishing bad on others. It's not the topic here. The race card is irrelevant too because no one denies that race comes with birth. I'm not sure if homosexuality is inborn or some kind of imprintation that occurs later in life. I can't prove those wrong who believe it's a choice either. Maybe for some it is. If my influence can change things than I would try to discourage a homosexual developement in a child if possible! It's been known that homosexuality is not a choice (in cases that do not involve a person being sexually assaulted by a member of the opposite sex). People do not choose to become homosexual. They just are. They are born that way. Most homosexuals know as early as kindergarten. And, to be frank, there is more scientific proof or evidence that homosexuality is determined in the womb, then there is proof that God exists. So, to say homosexuality is wrong, when it's proven that homosexuals exist, because of religious belief which is based on faith, with no scientific value. Again I avoid terms like "morally wrong". Expressing preferences or just being frightened or turned off by first hand experiences in the homosexual scene should be OK.
There's no reason for homosexuals to be paranoid or offended if someone doesn't care for their life style! If someone claims homosexuality is superior-fine! I'll even defend that person's 1st admendment right to say that!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Sept 29, 2011 2:15:18 GMT
BTW the guy who doesn't want children in his life gets a no too in my book. If anyone's offended that's tough! [/color][/size][/quote] So, are you just against people who can't reproduce or don't want children? Because I don't want children. And I also believe people have the right to chose whether they want to have kids or not, and should not be judged because of that. [/quote] No! I'm talking about my personal life! I have a girl friend who doesn't want children and she married a guy whose fine with that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2011 6:01:54 GMT
[ Again I avoid terms like "morally wrong". Expressing preferences or just being frightened or turned off by first hand experiences in the homosexual scene should be OK.
There's no reason for homosexuals to be paranoid or offended if someone doesn't care for their life style! If someone claims homosexuality is superior-fine! I'll even defend that person's 1st admendment right to say that!You seem to be fixated by this "homosexual lifestyle" idea so perhaps you could explain what it is? BushAdmirer has pointed out some antics that I certainly wouldn't want to see. But he knows that most same sex couples don't behave like that. We already know that same sex couples can bring up children, form lasting and satisfactory relationships, go to work, play sport, have hobbies, attend church..... So what is it about their "lifestyle" to disapprove of?
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Post by Lauren on Sept 29, 2011 18:05:49 GMT
So, are you just against people who can't reproduce or don't want children? Because I don't want children. And I also believe people have the right to chose whether they want to have kids or not, and should not be judged because of that. No! I'm talking about my personal life! I have a girl friend who doesn't want children and she married a guy whose fine with that. Okay, sorry. I misinterpreted what you said. It's cool that you want to have a family.
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Post by Lauren on Sept 29, 2011 18:23:27 GMT
There's no reason for homosexuals to be paranoid or offended if someone doesn't care for their life style! Anna, with all due respect, I think you are missing the whole point of the homosexual lifestyle argument. At the end of the day, homosexuals could care less what you, or I think about them. We are only one person. However, it's when a collective group of people (society) agree that the homosexual lifestyle is wrong, and that they shouldn't have a family -- that's the problem. That's their causation for being paranoid or offended when someone says they can't be who they are, or it's wrong. If more people agree homosexuality is wrong, the less likely homosexuals will be able to have a life that heterosexuals have (reminding you that when you remove the sexuality aspect of a male or female, they are still human beings). What we have allowed society to do is focus on something that is different with a person, and because of that difference, treat them like lesser human beings (or not like humans at all) because they are different. It is exactly what society has done in the past with race and religion. So there is no way you could intellectually deny that homosexuality does not tie in with race and religion because we have prosecuted those of different races and of different religions in the past (and to a lesser extent still do to this day, unfortunately) as we are doing with homosexuals in most parts of the world where they are denied rights, or the freedom to be who they are. Hate begets hate. [/color][/size][/quote] No one should be superior or inferior to someone based on race, class, gender, religion, or sexual orientation. That is my personal belief. However, we live in a society where everyone is trying to be superior then the other, and this labelling is why we are so divided, and why we will never achieve peace.
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Post by toby on Sept 30, 2011 13:33:58 GMT
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