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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 27, 2011 21:46:00 GMT
Sweden is starting the newest fad in PC lunacy! www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2008453/School-bans-bid-stop-children-falling-gender-stereotypes.html?ito=feeds-newsxml QUOTE: You're all equal here: Swedish school bans 'him' and 'her' in bid to stop children falling into gender stereotypes
A pre-school in Sweden has decided to stop calling children 'him' or 'her' in a bid to avoid gender stereotypes. The Egalia preschool, in the Sodermalm district of Stockholm, has made the decision as part of the country efforts to engineer equality between the sexes from childhood. As well as the decision to stop using the words, the taxpayer-funded school also carefully plans the colour and placement of toys and the choice of books to assure they do not fall into stereotypes. Equality for all: Children at the Egalia preschool, in the Sodermalm district of Stockholm, play with neutral toys as part of the school's 'genderless' agenda The school opened last year and is on a mission to break down gender roles - a core mission in the national curriculum for Swedish pre-schools. The option to implement the rules is underpinned by a theory that society gives boys an unfair edge. More...Michael Gove calls for 'Mum's Army' of strike breakers to keep schools open as teachers take action 'Society expects girls to be girlie, nice and pretty and boys to be manly, rough and outgoing,' says Jenny Johnsson, a 31-year-old teacher. 'Egalia gives them a fantastic opportunity to be whoever they want to be.' At the school, boys and girls play together with a toy kitchen, waving plastic utensils and pretending to cook. One boy hides inside the toy stove, his head popping out through a hole. Director: Lotta Rajalin says the staff try to help the children discover new ideas when they play Lego bricks and other building blocks are intentionally placed next to the kitchen, to make sure the children draw no mental barriers between cooking and construction. Meanwhile, nearly all the children's books deal with homosexual couples, single parents or adopted children. There are no 'Snow White,' 'Cinderella' or other fairy tales. Director Lotta Rajalin notes that Egalia places a special emphasis on fostering an environment tolerant of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people. Rajalin says the staff also try to help the children discover new ideas when they play. 'A concrete example could be when they're playing 'house' and the role of the mom already is taken and they start to squabble,' she says. 'Then we suggest two moms or three moms and so on.' Egalia's methods are controversial, with Rajalin claiming the staff have received threats from racists apparently upset about the preschool's use of black dolls. But she says that there's a long waiting list for admission, and that only one couple has pulled a child out of the school. Jukka Korpi, 44, says he and his wife chose Egalia 'to give our children all the possibilities based on who they are and not on their gender.' Staff at the school try to shed masculine and feminine references from their speech, including the pronouns him or her – 'han' or 'hon' in Swedish. Instead, they've have adopted the genderless 'hen'. 'We use the word "Hen" for example when a doctor, police, electrician or plumber or such is coming to the kindergarten,' Rajalin says. 'We don't know if it's a he or a she so we just say "Hen is coming around 2pm"; then the children can imagine both a man or a woman. This widens their view.' Jay Belsky, a child psychologist at the University of California, Davis, said he's not aware of any other school like Egalia, and he questioned whether it was the right way to go. 'The kind of things that boys like to do - run around and turn sticks into swords - will soon be disapproved of,' he said. 'So gender neutrality at its worst is emasculating maleness.'
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2011 7:39:41 GMT
That is surely nothing unusual. A close friend used to run a nursery school and said Ofsted insists on the removal of sexual stereotypes. Anyway, boys love cooking, don't they?
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Post by jean on Jun 28, 2011 8:14:46 GMT
... More...Michael Gove calls for 'Mum's Army' of strike breakers to keep schools open as teachers take action... What's this bit got to do with the rest of it?
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Post by jean on Jun 28, 2011 8:16:55 GMT
That is surely nothing unusual... boys love cooking, don't they? That example sounds rather more Hansel and Gretel to me.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 28, 2011 17:46:51 GMT
I can read Swedish and stammer out enough Swedish to sound like a foreigner, who'd been living in Sweden for 10 years-according to one Swede-Swedish sarcasm obviously! ;D "Hen" doesn't sound as terrible in Swedish as an English unisex 3rd person word outside of it, but it's still wierd. I'm sure the PC popes would love to come up with a unisex 3rd person word to use in English.
So gender identity is sometime detrimental to society according to the avant guard of the PC brigade!??
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Post by june on Jun 28, 2011 19:05:53 GMT
More nonsense from the Daily Hate - is there actually a story here? Nope.
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Post by june on Jun 28, 2011 19:08:10 GMT
... More...Michael Gove calls for 'Mum's Army' of strike breakers to keep schools open as teachers take action... What's this bit got to do with the rest of it? Mr Gove needs educating to understand that mums have FT jobs too and many of them will be on strike from their employers. He is a pillock of the 1st order
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2011 20:02:55 GMT
That is surely nothing unusual... boys love cooking, don't they? That example sounds rather more Hansel and Gretel to me. You think he was trying to escape the clutches of the wicked witch teaching assistant? Still, they missed a trick by banning Cinderella. I'm not sure how Dahl translates, but here's part of his telling of the tale:
Then up came Sister Number Two, Who yelled, 'Now I will try the shoe!' 'Try this instead!' the Prince yelled back. He swung his trusty sword and smack Her head went crashing to the ground. It bounced a bit and rolled around. In the kitchen, peeling spuds, Cinderella heard the thuds Of bouncing heads upon the floor, And poked her own head round the door. 'What's all the racket? 'Cindy cried. 'Mind your own bizz,' the Prince replied. Poor Cindy's heart was torn to shreds. My Prince! she thought. He chops off heads! How could I marry anyone Who does that sort of thing for fun?
The Prince cried, 'Who's this dirty slut? 'Off with her nut! Off with her nut!' Just then, all in a blaze of light, The Magic Fairy hove in sight, Her Magic Wand went swoosh and swish! 'Cindy! 'she cried, 'come make a wish! 'Wish anything and have no doubt 'That I will make it come about!' Cindy answered, 'Oh kind Fairy, 'This time I shall be more wary. 'No more Princes, no more money. 'I have had my taste of honey. I'm wishing for a decent man. 'They're hard to find. D'you think you can?' Within a minute, Cinderella Was married to a lovely feller, A simple jam maker by trade, Who sold good home-made marmalade. Their house was filled with smiles and laughter And they were happy ever after.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 29, 2011 15:28:16 GMT
I can read Swedish and stammer out enough Swedish to sound like a foreigner, who'd been living in Sweden for 10 years-according to one Swede-Swedish sarcasm obviously! ;D "Hen" doesn't sound as terrible in Swedish as an English unisex 3rd person word outside of it, but it's still wierd. I'm sure the PC popes would love to come up with a unisex 3rd person word to use in English.
So gender identity is sometime detrimental to society according to the avant guard of the PC brigade!?? unfortuntely, the amoral and abjectly stupid seem to be rampant, particularly in that part of the world. it is astounding how trash such as these imbeciles lie awake at night, intent on conjuring up their next bit of idiocy
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Post by trubble on Jun 29, 2011 18:13:27 GMT
That example sounds rather more Hansel and Gretel to me. You think he was trying to escape the clutches of the wicked witch teaching assistant? Still, they missed a trick by banning Cinderella. I'm not sure how Dahl translates, but here's part of his telling of the tale:
Then up came Sister Number Two, Who yelled, 'Now I will try the shoe!' 'Try this instead!' the Prince yelled back. He swung his trusty sword and smack Her head went crashing to the ground. It bounced a bit and rolled around. In the kitchen, peeling spuds, Cinderella heard the thuds Of bouncing heads upon the floor, And poked her own head round the door. 'What's all the racket? 'Cindy cried. 'Mind your own bizz,' the Prince replied. Poor Cindy's heart was torn to shreds. My Prince! she thought. He chops off heads! How could I marry anyone Who does that sort of thing for fun?
The Prince cried, 'Who's this dirty slut? 'Off with her nut! Off with her nut!' Just then, all in a blaze of light, The Magic Fairy hove in sight, Her Magic Wand went swoosh and swish! 'Cindy! 'she cried, 'come make a wish! 'Wish anything and have no doubt 'That I will make it come about!' Cindy answered, 'Oh kind Fairy, 'This time I shall be more wary. 'No more Princes, no more money. 'I have had my taste of honey. I'm wishing for a decent man. 'They're hard to find. D'you think you can?' Within a minute, Cinderella Was married to a lovely feller, A simple jam maker by trade, Who sold good home-made marmalade. Their house was filled with smiles and laughter And they were happy ever after.
I love his Revolting Rhymes. They should ban the nice-ified/disneyfied version of Cinderella and re-introduce some earlier, gutsier stuff -- like the ugly sister who cut her toe off to fit the shoe -- kids love that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2011 18:53:23 GMT
My mother thught me ghoulish because I read Grimms Fairy Tales, but read us Hans Christian Anderson instead. Grimm may have been violent, but the baddies got their just deserts, whereas Anderson was often incredibly sad.
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Post by trubble on Jun 29, 2011 19:24:44 GMT
I loved Hans Christian Anderson but my ghoulish ;D daughter has always adored Grimm. Some of their stories were little more than 2 paragraphs but still contained three deaths from axe related incidents.
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Post by Liberator on Jun 29, 2011 22:57:23 GMT
I don't know any Swedish but I do know that across the sea, the only Finnish word is Hän which in Swedish would probably be pronounced Hen, but in Finnish I think is more like Han Solo. Does that make Finland particularly less sexually stereotyped than anywhere else?
I'm all in favour of discreditting stereotypes but I fear that moves like this may actually support them unless done very carefully. The danger is that people may change their attitude faster than they change their assumption and whatever else, feminism has increased rather then decreased assuming traditionally masculine values preferable to feminine ones. It means that girls are encouraged to give them greater value as much as boys, so if traditional feminine values are being disparaged for girls, there is no more incentive to encourage them in boys than there ever was.
So we can arrive at the situation where a boyish girl is considered just a a girl likely to grow up heterosexual, but a girlish boy continues to be expected to grow up homosexual and where before, this might have been discouraged, it may now be encouraged on the basis of tolerance, to the extent of discouraging him from ever feeling it right ever consider a heterosexual interest. So instead of freeing from stereotyped assumptions, it is actually creating them, that girlish boys are necessarily going to become restricted to homosexuality. The assumption is that there are two groups of people, most inhibited against homosexual relationships, some against heterosexual ones.
Everything in cultural history shows this to be false, and to exist only where homosexual relationship has been socially disapproved of and the moment one shows up, the assumption is that the person concerned is a homosexual regardless of heterosexual experience, and from that moment on ceases to be a heterosexual, in fact may well even be regarded as having never been a heterosexual. To the extent that they clearly were not restricted to heterosexuality, that may be true, but bi-sexual is rarely an accepted option - especially to homosexual activists.
To be honest, I find most PC to be papering over the cracks.You do not get rid of prejudice and stereotype by playing Newspeak: they just attach themselves to the new style, as the famous anecdote of British soldiers calling Falkland islanders Stills when they were told to stop calling them Bennies after the retarded soap opera character - "Well, they're still a bunch of Bennies whatever you call them" (A friend who was there assures me that it's true but I have my doubts!). Never mind gender words. Oriental languages have no gender and rarely use pronouns of any kind, but one can hardly hold even post-Maoist China or industrialized Japan up as shining examples of no sex discrimination!
What I feel far more important than messing the language around is to get the kids growing up to think of the gentle boy playing with dolls and pretty flowers and dresses as a far preferable friend to girls than one into fighting and sneering at him; the girl with an interest in construction and machinery as a far preferable friend to boys than Little Miss Technophobe.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 30, 2011 0:00:33 GMT
If left alone the majority of girls will go for girl stuff, hop scotch, dolls, etc.. and the majority of guys will go for guy stuff, technical stuff, physical competitions, etc.. It's disgusting that some PC popes thinks that should be stopped! [/color][/size]
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 30, 2011 1:07:49 GMT
I don't know any Swedish but I do know that across the sea, the only Finnish word is Hän which in Swedish would probably be pronounced Hen, but in Finnish I think is more like Han Solo. Does that make Finland particularly less sexually stereotyped than anywhere else? In Finnish there is only one word for he and she, which is "hän". "Hän" - pronounced hen is easy to import into the Swedish language. The language in Finnland is less of an obstacle for the unisexists or whatever they are, but so far the Finns don't seem to be as PC orientated as the Swedes.
I have no problem with the boy, who likes effeminate stuff or the girl, who likes power sports, but i object to the "boy culture" and the "girl culture" becoming taboo!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 30, 2011 1:21:21 GMT
What I feel far more important than messing the language around is to get the kids growing up to think of the gentle boy playing with dolls and pretty flowers and dresses as a far preferable friend to girls than one into fighting and sneering at him; the girl with an interest in construction and machinery as a far preferable friend to boys than Little Miss Technophobe. Your post is rather lengthy as usual and so i'll just answer a portion. I'm a little "Miss Technophobe" myself and appreciate the guys helping me out with computer matters, auto mechanics, etc.. There are always exceptions to the rule, but i don't ever remember getting computer or mechanical advice from a woman.
The general rule "Let Boys be Boys and Girls be Girls!" is the greatest good for the greatest number. It's simply majority rule and not tyranny or oppression!
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Post by jean on Jun 30, 2011 8:35:16 GMT
...feminism has increased rather then decreased assuming traditionally masculine values preferable to feminine ones... Utter nonsense, Liberator. It really is time you liberated yourself from the misconceptions in which you have become enmired.
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Post by jean on Jun 30, 2011 8:44:10 GMT
The general rule "Let Boys be Boys and Girls be Girls!" is the greatest good for the greatest number. You're assuming there, every bit as much as Liberator does, that we know without any further qualification or definition exactly what 'boy' or 'girl' behaviour is. You assume that it's a given and boys and girls will, if left to their own devices, adopt the behavious that's traditionally been deemed appropriate for their sex. Liberator seens to think that without the baleful influence of the feminists, we would all ideally tend towards the behaviours traditionally deemed feminineBut we're never wholly free of the social constructs of masculinity and femininity. And the attempts to avoid them that we see in the OP don't go that much further than what happens in your average nursery school here anyway, as skylark has pointed out. What the feminists have always tried to do is look at what might be appropriate for the individual in any particular case, and encourage everyone to free themselves from traditional stereotypes.
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Post by jean on Jun 30, 2011 8:46:16 GMT
(Skylark, what have you done to #13?)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2011 14:14:05 GMT
Oh bugrit, I must have modified Anna's post instead of quoting from it. I did that to June once,. I have no idea how to get it back now!
Sorry Anna
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