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Post by lonewolf on Mar 14, 2012 21:32:25 GMT
The Japanese surrendered primarily because of the impending invasion and not the atomic bomb! [/color][/size] [/quote] Dearest Anna Banana, I grant you the Japanese would have eventually surrendered without us using the Atomic Bomb. After all, Japan’s maritime fleet had been annihilated and they no longer had access to the raw materials essential for conducting modern warfare. However, there is NO doubt in my mind, whatsoever, that it was the Atomic Bomb that brought World War II in the Pacific to a screeching halt.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Mar 15, 2012 1:54:30 GMT
Anna - You are reaching. The Russians may have captured a couple undefended islands but they were not about to invade the Japanese mainland. Without tanks the Russian army wouldn't have been effective. Trying to transport tanks and other military vehicles on scarce civilian ferries would have given the remaining Japanese pilots 'sitting duck' targets. None would have made it across 500 km of ocean. Without landing ships, they wouldn't have been able to put an army ashore. Do you think they would pull their personnel transports up to the docks? They'd get killed. Do you think they could have them swim ashore? A lot of dead Russians if they tried that.
Even at the end of the war, the Japanese army was a very tough opponent. Read about the invasion of Okinawa. The American losses were staggering. The Japanese mainland would have been worse.
The A Bomb definitely ended the war. Those other theories are nonsense.
Admiral Halsey wasn't the best of our Admirals in the Pacific. He screwed up at times. Spruance was perhaps the most effective admiral along with Nimitz.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 15, 2012 3:53:20 GMT
I guess I'm debating with people who have a religious like belief in the atomic bomb.
Truman artifically prolonged the war, letting Americans die in the process, so that the atomic bomb could be used on human beings!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 15, 2012 4:05:00 GMT
Anna - You are reaching. The Russians may have captured a couple undefended islands but they were not about to invade the Japanese mainland. Without tanks the Russian army wouldn't have been effective. Trying to transport tanks and other military vehicles on scarce civilian ferries would have given the remaining Japanese pilots 'sitting duck' targets. None would have made it across 500 km of ocean. Without landing ships, they wouldn't have been able to put an army ashore. Do you think they would pull their personnel transports up to the docks? They'd get killed. Do you think they could have them swim ashore? A lot of dead Russians if they tried that. Even at the end of the war, the Japanese army was a very tough opponent. Read about the invasion of Okinawa. The American losses were staggering. The Japanese mainland would have been worse. The A Bomb definitely ended the war. Those other theories are nonsense. Admiral Halsey wasn't the best of our Admirals in the Pacific. He screwed up at times. Spruance was perhaps the most effective admiral along with Nimitz. The Japanese put up a big fight on Sakhalin island and lost it entirely! Measure the distance between the Sakhalin island and the Japanese mainland! It's much less than 500 miles! The Russian navy from Archangelsk and Murmansk was probably en route over the artic sea in the summer months for the planned attack on Japan! And I wouldn't underestimate the strength of the Russian navy in the Pacific!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 15, 2012 4:19:39 GMT
Do you really think we should have given the Japanese Emperor immunity? He certainly didn't deserve it. There is no question that he was backing the evil Japanese military all the way. We did it as an expedient to end the war. Sticks in my craw though. The Emperor was a war criminal, but also in the eyes of Japanese Shintoists a "Shinto-god". Japan would have surrendered earlier, if this one condition: immunity for Emperor Hirohito was granted! Truman however wanted to drop the atomic bomb first before granting this condition. The atomic bomb of course wasn't ready and functional until August 1945.
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Post by lonewolf on Mar 15, 2012 7:29:18 GMT
Anna - You are reaching. The Russians may have captured a couple undefended islands but they were not about to invade the Japanese mainland.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 18, 2012 20:31:59 GMT
Anna - You are reaching. The Russians may have captured a couple undefended islands but they were not about to invade the Japanese mainland. Thanks for the video Lonewolf! I think it's more logical that the threat of invasion was feared more by Japanese military leaders than the terrorist bombing attacks on their cities. The fire bombing of Tokyo killed many more people than the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but didn't bring surrender either!! The results of these terrorist attacks is that more soldiers are fighting a private war to avenge their lost non combattant loved ones! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo Terrorist attacks don't bring peace whether it's the attack on Pearl Harbor, 911 or the nuking of Hiroshima!Hirohito gave a monologue shortly after the war. When asked why he surrendered he said: "Something had to be done before mainland Japan was invaded!" No mention of fearing the atomic bomb. His monologue was published in 1990. A reference to this hearing can be heard on this YouTube video:
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 24, 2012 6:24:29 GMT
ADMIRAL WILLIAM D. LEAHY [/size] Admiral William Leahy was also a witness to the war with Japan! I see nothing "anti-American" about agreeing with his assessment of the atomic bomb and it's misuse on Japan! (Chief of Staff to Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_D._Leahy QUOTE: After the bomb was tested, Leahy was strongly opposed to its use in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In his memoir, he wrote: "Once it had been tested, President Truman faced the decision as to whether to use it. He did not like the idea, but he was persuaded that it would shorten the war against Japan and save American lives. It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons... My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make wars in that fashion, and that wars cannot be won by destroying women and children."[5] William Leahy, I Was There, pg. 441.
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Post by Ben Gay on Mar 24, 2012 10:49:28 GMT
Why did you call her "Banana"?
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Post by Ben Gay on Mar 24, 2012 10:53:33 GMT
Truman artifically prolonged the war, letting Americans die in the process, so that the atomic bomb could be used on human beings! [/color][/size][/quote] That's what happens when you have a brainwashed military zombie in charge of a country.
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Post by lonewolf on Mar 24, 2012 19:46:13 GMT
Why did you call her "Banana"? Because I like bananas and I like Anna. Any other questions?
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Post by lonewolf on Mar 25, 2012 8:44:34 GMT
Truman artifically prolonged the war, letting Americans die in the process, so that the atomic bomb could be used on human beings! [/color][/size][/quote] Nonsense! The Japanese were free to surrender anytime they wanted. Therefore, they, and they alone, were responsible for prolonging the war, not Truman.
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Post by Ben Gay on Mar 25, 2012 23:01:46 GMT
Because I like bananas and I like Anna. Any other questions? Do you like okra?
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Mar 26, 2012 1:04:36 GMT
Truman artifically prolonged the war, letting Americans die in the process, so that the atomic bomb could be used on human beings! [/color][/size][/quote] Nonsense! The Japanese were free to surrender anytime they wanted. Therefore, they, and they alone, were responsible for prolonging the war, not Truman. [/quote] You are correct Lonewolf. You have pointed out the obvious.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 26, 2012 3:25:28 GMT
Nonsense! The Japanese were free to surrender anytime they wanted. Therefore, they, and they alone, were responsible for prolonging the war, not Truman. You are correct Lonewolf. You have pointed out the obvious. Nonsense! The Japanese refused to surrender, if their Emperor was going to be tried an hung as a war criminal! Go back and read some of the articles that were already posted on this thread!
Hirohito and his family were granted immunity only after the atomic bomb was used on Japan!
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Post by lakshmi on Mar 26, 2012 3:47:24 GMT
^ Yes and why they couldn't give it BEFORE they kill 150k citizens? Its gonna make more sense before. They gave AFTER bcz they liked to use nuclear weapons and teach russia they got some. It was biggest terrorist act in all HISTORY.
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Post by lonewolf on Mar 26, 2012 6:04:57 GMT
The Japanese refused to surrender, if their Emperor was going to be tried an hung as a war criminal! Exactly! And therefore the fault lies with the Japanese, and NOT with President Truman.
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Post by lonewolf on Mar 26, 2012 7:00:37 GMT
It was biggest terrorist act in all HISTORY. Apparently you’re knowledge of history is extremely limited.
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Post by lakshmi on Mar 26, 2012 10:22:02 GMT
It was biggest terrorist act in all HISTORY. Apparently you’re knowledge of history is extremely limited. In six weeks not in one day. Sorry i for got i better explain it 4u. U like to cut hairs but u for got to tell cambodian genocide also holocaust. I think that SINCERE ppl no what i said.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 26, 2012 13:55:05 GMT
It was biggest terrorist act in all HISTORY. Apparently you’re knowledge of history is extremely limited. Really Wolfie! No court of law in this world would hold the innocent non combattant civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki responsible for whatever Japanese war criminals may have done in Nanking! Two war crimes don't equal justice!
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