Paranormal - what do you think?

[jesuschrist]

Dec 31, 2014 15:07:40 GMT chris said:

Mar 24, 2011 0:38:38 GMT everso said:

I believe that when you're dead, you're dead. In that respect we're no different to other animals, insects and flora, but because we're highly intelligent some of us refuse to believe that what we have now is all there's ever going to be, so the invention of an after-life is necessary.

Visiting our son in Edinburgh recently, we visited the Edinburgh Vaults which are supposed to be haunted. Some of the people who were also on the tour reckoned they felt something. All I felt was cold because we were underground, but because the others believed in ghosts they attributed the cold to paranormal activity.

Load of codswallop!

Hi everso, I disagree with you that the supernatural is a lot of codswallop. There are other dimensions besides the one that WE live in

When the body dies Soul goes to one of these dimensions and lives there until it is time tor Soul to return to this earth, where it once again dwells in the body of a newborn

I have also seen a flying saucer during the daylight hrs, so I I know that they exist. We are here to learn via life's experiences. So there are many surprises ahead for mankind. All the best for 2015. Happy New Year.

Bollocks .. After I diec I just hid in a cave then when i got bored jumped out and yelled "surprise" ....the disciples thought i was cilla black not reborn.

[jesuschrist]

Jan 15, 2015 12:16:22 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

Jan 12, 2015 7:07:52 GMT Gibby said:

I had an out of body experience when I gave birth I thought I was dying looking down on what was happening

I've several of these out of the body experiences. Sometimes these experiences are called astral projection.

Nope that's an orgasm. 

[jesuschrist]

I was a zombie before it was cool

[primrose]

Jan 18, 2015 15:31:33 GMT SKITLER said:

paranormal

more likely attributed to the living

rather than the dead

Would you like to elaborate on that, Skitler?

[primrose]

Jan 19, 2015 13:02:29 GMT jesuschrist said:

I was a zombie before it was cool

How nice for you!!! Hope you are happy.

[primrose]

Jan 19, 2015 0:03:40 GMT jesuschrist said:

Dec 31, 2014 15:07:40 GMT chris said:

Hi everso, I disagree with you that the supernatural is a lot of codswallop. There are other dimensions besides the one that WE live in

When the body dies Soul goes to one of these dimensions and lives there until it is time tor Soul to return to this earth, where it once again dwells in the body of a newborn

I have also seen a flying saucer during the daylight hrs, so I I know that they exist. We are here to learn via life's experiences. So there are many surprises ahead for mankind. All the best for 2015. Happy New Year.

Bollocks .. After I diec I just hid in a cave then when i got bored jumped out and yelled "surprise" ....the disciples thought i was cilla black not reborn.

Keep talking like that, and I think you won't last long on this forum.

[SKITLER]

Jan 20, 2015 14:12:24 GMT primrose said:

Jan 18, 2015 15:31:33 GMT SKITLER said:

paranormal

more likely attributed to the living

rather than the dead

Would you like to elaborate on that, Skitler?

its your mind/environment playing trick if you truly suspect a visit

usually its hogwash guised for a cash-cow

like the miracle of jesus, god whatever,

how gods many are there

which one is real

depends who you ask

now I cant prove something that doesn't exist

if your saying it does, you must have proof

or its just hear say.

now I can prove to you that it does exist, if you would like to buy my book

[jesuschrist]

Jan 20, 2015 14:24:51 GMT primrose said:

Jan 19, 2015 0:03:40 GMT jesuschrist said:

Bollocks .. After I diec I just hid in a cave then when i got bored jumped out and yelled "surprise" ....the disciples thought i was cilla black not reborn.

Keep talking like that, and I think you won't last long on this forum.

Good Lord ... Chillax i know not everyone likes Cilla Black but jeeeez (us) !!

[jesuschrist]

Jan 20, 2015 14:16:25 GMT primrose said:

Jan 19, 2015 13:02:29 GMT jesuschrist said:

I was a zombie before it was cool

How nice for you!!! Hope you are happy.

Yup thanks  when I play Call of Duty it doesn't take me three days to respawn ...

[SKITLER]

Jan 20, 2015 14:24:51 GMT primrose said:

Jan 19, 2015 0:03:40 GMT jesuschrist said:

Bollocks .. After I diec I just hid in a cave then when i got bored jumped out and yelled "surprise" ....the disciples thought i was cilla black not reborn.

Keep talking like that, and I think you won't last long on this forum.

[SKITLER]

Jan 20, 2015 21:10:49 GMT SKITLER said:

Jan 20, 2015 14:24:51 GMT primrose said:

Keep talking like that, and I think you won't last long on this forum.

you can talk bollocks here

just like you do everywhere

chris / Juliet/ primrose

your new id didn't last long though

get more tips from kronks he is the master of disguise

just saying

ps don't lie

karma wont like it

[Scottish Lassie]

Jan 6, 2015 22:31:46 GMT Big Lin said:

Juliet, I'm really glad you've joined us. I know about astral travel or OOBE or soul travel or whatever you want to call it.

It's quite easy actually and at one time I used to do it a lot.

Eckanckar isn't something I know much about but I'm a Christian and I've found that Christ has turned my life around and made me a much better person.

Christianity teaches humility, love, compassion, tolerance and forgiveness.

I worry about the idea that 'you don't have any doubts' because history shows that too often that type of attitude leads to murder, persecution and so on.

I stand with Oliver Cromwell who said 'I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, consider it possible that you may be wrong.'

Dogmatism and certainty worry the hell out of me!

Hi biglin, if you were to visit the local shop, would you be sure that you had been there, or would you be asking yourself, "did I visit the shop today or did I imagine that I did"? So what would your answer be? If your answer is 'yes I am sure that I went to the shop today' could that perhaps be classed as dogmatism and certainty? Just asking?

[Big Lin]

Feb 1, 2015 9:43:52 GMT Scottish Lassie said:

Jan 6, 2015 22:31:46 GMT Big Lin said:

Juliet, I'm really glad you've joined us. I know about astral travel or OOBE or soul travel or whatever you want to call it.

It's quite easy actually and at one time I used to do it a lot.

Eckanckar isn't something I know much about but I'm a Christian and I've found that Christ has turned my life around and made me a much better person.

Christianity teaches humility, love, compassion, tolerance and forgiveness.

I worry about the idea that 'you don't have any doubts' because history shows that too often that type of attitude leads to murder, persecution and so on.

I stand with Oliver Cromwell who said 'I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, consider it possible that you may be wrong.'

Dogmatism and certainty worry the hell out of me!

Hi biglin, if you were to visit the local shop, would you be sure that you had been there, or would you be asking yourself, "did I visit the shop today or did I imagine that I did"? So what would your answer be? If your answer is 'yes I am sure that I went to the shop today' could that perhaps be classed as dogmatism and certainty? Just asking?

It's not the same thing at all.

And in any case I wouldn't argue that my personal experience was enough to make vast generalisations about life as a whole.

Sure, we tend to speak from our own life experience but opinion and belief are NOT the same as fact.

And history shows that people who can't tell the difference cause most of the problems in the world.

Humility and an open mind are the best answer.

I don't necessarily go along with Krishnamurti but at least his approach is IMO a healthy one - not to make assumptions about certainty.

[Scottish Lassie]

Feb 1, 2015 22:35:46 GMT Big Lin said:

Feb 1, 2015 9:43:52 GMT Scottish Lassie said:

Hi biglin, if you were to visit the local shop, would you be sure that you had been there, or would you be asking yourself, "did I visit the shop today or did I imagine that I did"? So what would your answer be? If your answer is 'yes I am sure that I went to the shop today' could that perhaps be classed as dogmatism and certainty? Just asking?

It's not the same thing at all.

And in any case I wouldn't argue that my personal experience was enough to make vast generalisations about life as a whole.

Sure, we tend to speak from our own life experience but opinion and belief are NOT the same as fact.

And history shows
that people who can't tell the difference cause most of the problems in the world.

Humility and an open mind are the best answer.

I don't necessarily go along with Krishnamurti but at least his approach is IMO a healthy one - not to make assumptions about certainty.

Hi Biglin, Imagination is different from awareness. I am trying to point out that when Soul leaves the body and has experiences in another dimension that is a fact, therfore you are aware and if you are aware then you are SURE that what you are experiencing is real. It is not your imagination .

Even though you might consider my statements as being dogmatic they are not!!! I know the difference between fact and imagination.

To put your mind at rest, I can assure you I am not ever gioing to harm another person or disobey the law. I am a peace loving person and would in no way jeopardize mr relationship with God.

[♫anna♫]

After seeing the shocker film "Paranormal Activity", which I consider the scariest film I ever saw I have a negative feeling about the thread title. There are some things that we should NEVER build a bridge towards or contact in any form.

I do believe that there are certain senses that are beyond the physical senses, but I'd prefer to refer to this as ESP, etc..

[Scottish Lassie]

Feb 3, 2015 3:35:51 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

After seeing the shocker film "Paranormal Activity", which I consider the scariest film I ever saw I have a negative feeling about the thread title. There are some things that we should NEVER build a bridge towards or contact in any form.

I do believe that there are certain senses that are beyond the physical senses, but I'd prefer to refer to this as ESP, etc..

Hi Anna, we in ECKANKAR do not become involved in anything of that nature. I certainly have never experienced anything in a similar vein.

We commune with the Holy Spirit, so we are protected at all times from any adverse experiences, whether it is worldly or from any entity from a lower dimension trying to cause trouble.

That is why it is important not to dwell on thoughts of a negative nature. Just as the saying 'you are what you eat' is true, you are also what you think. So if you are always thinking negatively, you will attract more negativity to yourself, and that is when you open yourself to the kind of supernatural happenings that are depicted in these kinds of movies that you mentioned.

[Scottish Lassie]

Hi Big Lin, Is your forum on Global ProBoards? I have a forum on ProBoards as well, so I am an Administrator also. I have inadvertantly posted the same message twice. I tried to delete the extra post but couldn't. Would you like to door for me? I was replying to Anna's post.

[♫anna♫]

Feb 3, 2015 9:10:57 GMT Scottish Lassie said:

Feb 3, 2015 3:35:51 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

After seeing the shocker film "Paranormal Activity", which I consider the scariest film I ever saw I have a negative feeling about the thread title. There are some things that we should NEVER build a bridge towards or contact in any form.

I do believe that there are certain senses that are beyond the physical senses, but I'd prefer to refer to this as ESP, etc..

Hi Anna, we in ECKANKAR do not become involved in anything of that nature. I certainly have never experienced anything in a similar vein.

We commune with the Holy Spirit, so we are protected at all times from any adverse experiences, whether it is worldly or from any entity from a lower dimension trying to cause trouble.

That is why it is important not to dwell on thoughts of a negative nature. Just as the saying 'you are what you eat' is true, you are also what you think. So if you are always thinking negatively, you will attract more negativity to yourself, and that is when you open yourself to the kind of supernatural happenings that are depicted in these kinds of movies that you mentioned.

I used to be an active member ing Eckankar and made it up to the 3rd initiation. I joined at a very young age. I got caught up in some emotional matters and became inactive, but I still do the contemplation exercises on occaison.

[Scottish Lassie]

Hi Anna, that is wonderful!!! I am a 4th Initiate, waiting for the pink slip that will give me the opportunity to reach the Soul plane permanently. I hope I make it before it is time for me to translate, then I won't have to come back to this plane again unless I am given a special mission by the Mahanta.

I have met the Mahanta so many times and he is always smiling from ear to ear as he shakes my hand. It really is an honour. Baraka Bashad.

[Scottish Lassie]

Hi Anna, I have never met the Mahanta in the physical, but in the inner dimensions.
One time I found myself sitting at a round table with others and the Mahanta was the waiter serving food. Which ofcourse is the discourses that we are sent each year and his Words of Wisdom from the various books that he writes. He certainly is a prolific writer for sure.

Another time I found myself on a ship going to America and I was welcomed by the Captain of the ship. Who ofcourse was no other than the Mahanta himself. It is amazing the different roles that he plays, so that we get the message loud and clear.

We are being taught all the time, so are not forgotten. He cares about us as he always has our best interests at
heart. The Mahanta is a tireless worker, without a doubt. Baraka Bashad.

[♫anna♫]

Feb 5, 2015 21:54:06 GMT Scottish Lassie said:

Hi Anna, I have never met the Mahanta in the physical, but in the inner dimensions.
One time I found myself sitting at a round table with others and the Mahanta was the waiter serving food. Which ofcourse is the discourses that we are sent each year and his Words of Wisdom from the various books that he writes. He certainly is a prolific writer for sure.

Another time I found myself on a ship going to America and I was welcomed by the Captain of the ship. Who ofcourse was no other than the Mahanta himself. It is amazing the different roles that he plays, so that we get the message loud and clear.

We are being taught all the time, so are not forgotten. He cares about us as he always has our best interests at
heart. The Mahanta is a tireless worker, without a doubt. Baraka Bashad.

I've never met Sri Harald Klemp either. I still do the contemplation at times, but rarely anywhere near the 30 minutes. After some emotional turbulance I became inactive with Eckankar.

I visited the Eckankar center in Stuttgart a few times.

[Scottish Lassie]

Hi Anna, I have photos of all the Masters, plus the Temple at Chanhassen in my IPhone album plus stories of members having meetings with the different Masters long before they even knew about ECKANKAR. I love Reading the stories because it tells of all the miracles that are still taking place. Baraka Bashad.

[Big Lin]

Feb 2, 2015 23:07:59 GMT Scottish Lassie said:

Feb 1, 2015 22:35:46 GMT Big Lin said:

It's not the same thing at all.

And in any case I wouldn't argue that my personal experience was enough to make vast generalisations about life as a whole.

Sure, we tend to speak from our own life experience but opinion and belief are NOT the same as fact.

And history shows
that people who can't tell the difference cause most of the problems in the world.

Humility and an open mind are the best answer.

I don't necessarily go along with Krishnamurti but at least his approach is IMO a healthy one - not to make assumptions about certainty.

Hi Biglin, Imagination is different from awareness. I am trying to point out that when Soul leaves the body and has experiences in another dimension that is a fact, therfore you are aware and if you are aware then you are SURE that what you are experiencing is real. It is not your imagination .

Even though you might consider my statements as being dogmatic they are not!!! I know the difference between fact and imagination.

To put your mind at rest, I can assure you I am not ever gioing to harm another person or disobey the law. I am a peace loving person and would in no way jeopardize mr relationship with God.

You don't KNOW that soul DOES leave the body.

You BELIEVE that it does.

I've had experiences that make me think it probably does but certainty, knowledge, facts, whatever are NOT the same as belief or opinion.

It's NOT a FACT that soul leaves the body; it's an opinion and even thought it's one I share I don't believe confusing knowledge and opinion is ever a good idea.

[Scottish Lassie]

Hi Big Lin, We in ECKANKAR reach a stage that you just know. It is a truth. The awareness that you have when you awake in the morning is the same awareness that I experience when I as Soul, have left the body and am travelling.

I came home from shopping and unlocked the front door, the minute that I did that, I knew that someone had been in my house. As my son has a key I rang him to see if he had visited and sure enough, he had let himself in whilst I was out. How did I know that?

When I am Soul travelling, I have left the physical body and I am as aware of that, as I am aware of waking up in the morning. Soul is a unit of awareness, so the experience is real and therefore a fact.

Soul can go back in time and travel to any dimension that it is aware of, also any place in this physical world. I have visited Tibet during an out of the body experience and found myself looking down on the Alps.

The scene that I saw stayed in my mind. Then later on I received a picture of the same scene, which proved that I
had actually been there. I have never been to Tibet physically and I have never seen that scene before until I found myself high above the Alps looking down on that particular scene.

There is no way that you will ever get me to believe that my experiences as Soul is not a fact and therefore a truth. You may still perceive me as being dogmatic, if so, there is nothing I can do about that, to each his/ her own.

[Big Lin]

Feb 7, 2015 2:27:43 GMT Scottish Lassie said:

Hi Big Lin, We in ECKANKAR reach a stage that you just know. It is a truth. The awareness that you have when you awake in the morning is the same awareness that I experience when I as Soul, have left the body and am travelling.

I came home from shopping and unlocked the front door, the minute that I did that, I knew that someone had been in my house. As my son has a key I rang him to see if he had visited and sure enough, he had let himself in whilst I was out. How did I know that?

When I am Soul travelling, I have left the physical body and I am as aware of that, as I am aware of waking up in the morning. Soul is a unit of awareness, so the experience is real and therefore a fact.

Soul can go back in time and travel to any dimension that it is aware of, also any place in this physical world. I have visited Tibet during an out of the body experience and found myself looking down on the Alps.

The scene that I saw stayed in my mind. Then later on I received a picture of the same scene, which proved that I
had actually been there. I have never been to Tibet physically and I have never seen that scene before until I found myself high above the Alps looking down on that particular scene.

There is no way that you will ever get me to believe that my experiences as Soul is not a fact and therefore a truth. You may still perceive me as being dogmatic, if so, there is nothing I can do about that, to each his/ her own.

Chris, I'm not denying you've had experiences; just as I have.

I'm denying your INTERPRETATION of those experiences.

You're interpreting them in line with your Eckanckar philosophy; I interpret them in line with my liberal Protestant Christianity; my husband interprets them in line with his secular and agnostic beliefs.

But a belief is NOT a fact and an experience isn't necessarily real.

Now if you drink or take psychedelic drugs you can see all kinds of different stuff from normal reality.

I'll give you three contrasting examples of events showing how hard it is to define reality.

1) Travis Walton claimed to have been abducted by aliens. He was with a group of other people and NONE of them saw anything happen. Was Walton lying? Fantasising? Or what?

2) Armando Valdes of the Chilean army literally vanished into thin air in front of six fellow soldiers. He was gone for fifteen minutes and when he returned the calendar on his watch had gone forward five days and he had a five-day growth of beard.

What happened?

3) At Fatima in Portugal thousands of people - religious believers and atheists - saw what appeared to be the Sun dipping towards Earth. Even the atheists gave an identical description of their experience and didn't try to deny it had happened.

But of course they interpreted it very differently from the religious believers.

See what I mean?