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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 9:50:19 GMT
People who do such things always believe they have right on their side.
An article in the Daily Telegraph a day or two ago pointed out that the gun Loughner bought was not designed for self defence, and claimed that the arms dealers were encouraging the sale of these weapons of mass murder.
From the little I know of guns, a pistol bought for home protection would not have caused such mass destruction; it is no use at long range.
Not that I'm in favour of househlders arming themselves. If Anna's poster was so effective, everyone would display one, just as those without alarms often buy a dummy box. The latter is surely more effective, given that burglars target empty houses. I dare say that gun ownership just leads to burglars arming themseves in case they get it wrong.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jan 17, 2011 18:57:53 GMT
People who do such things always believe they have right on their side. An article in the Daily Telegraph a day or two ago pointed out that the gun Loughner bought was not designed for self defence, and claimed that the arms dealers were encouraging the sale of these weapons of mass murder. From the little I know of guns, a pistol bought for home protection would not have caused such mass destruction; it is no use at long range. Not that I'm in favour of househlders arming themselves. If Anna's poster was so effective, everyone would display one, just as those without alarms often buy a dummy box. The latter is surely more effective, given that burglars target empty houses. I dare say that gun ownership just leads to burglars arming themseves in case they get it wrong. Dearest SkyLark, I don't own a gun and in fact i don't feel a personal need to obtain one. HOWEVER when i read these stories of some intruder breaking into a house and murdering everyone in the house then i truly regret that the victims didn't have a firearm to defend themselves!
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Post by pumpkinette on Jan 17, 2011 20:10:34 GMT
Condolences, Pumpkinette. You don't know that and it's disrespectful to assert it so strongly. I don't know that people who want to kill will use other weapons if there's not a gun around? Really? It happened in my OWN FAMILY. Also, MANY serial killers DON'T USE GUNS! They tend to be used by what are known as "spree killers" or "mass murderers". Many serial killers enjoy using their hands (Ted Bundy was 1 example) and NOT guns. It's not disrespectful for me to talk about the facts of my familys' case. Where do you get this? I say the more we MVS talk about our cases the better! And a PART of our case was the FACT that no gun was there so knives were used instead. I had no idea we were talking about your case. I thought you were talking about the shootings in Tucsan. Yep. I think it's perfectly plausible, yes. He seems to have been a disturbed man, perhaps only temporarily, and not someone from a background of knife use. I think there's no way that either you or I can judge this accurately but that there is nothing to suggest he had the skills or rage to knife down even one person. His urge to kill may have passed. Temporary. It may not have surpassed the difficulties of other methods. I imagine, in a gun culture, that a gun makes it quite easy to kill spontaenously. ? You just need to get your pluck up for such a short time, and not as much physical exertion as other methods....? No one's arguing that guns are the only way to murder someone. Murder is probably as old as the human race. In this case, though, even you agree that the gun caused more problems than had he not had a gun. Which leads one to an obvious conclusion that gun ownership, in this case, was a contributing factor to these deaths. Which begs the questions -- what could have been done to stop this, and what could be done to stop it happening again? [/quote]Thanks for your condolences. It's wonderful that you KNOW to do this! I'm floored by the # of people that don't even GIVE condolences! It's disgusting. If anyone tells you they had a family member and/or friend die, condolences are a basic courtesy that should be extended. It's the least that anyone who's had a death happen deserves! Yes, I was talking about my familys' case in regards to how those who want to kill will find a way if there's not a gun available. This is what happened in my familys' case. I was also talking about the Arizona case in this regard. But, that case I don't have a fraction as much knowledge about compared to my familys' case. Thanks again for your kind words.
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Post by pumpkinpie on Jan 20, 2011 16:50:39 GMT
The gunman posted this and other deranged videos on YouTube. It's obvious that he has lost touch with reality. The most dangerous insane people are the ones, who believe they know it all! Yes, out of touch with reality and delusional for sure. How sad for the many who lost there lives.
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Post by pumpkinpie on Jan 20, 2011 16:56:47 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12150161Witnesses said Jared Loughner opened fire with an automatic firearm in a supermarket where Ms Giffords was holding an event to meet her constituents. He was then wrestled to the ground. The weapon has been identified as a Glock 19 9mm semi-automatic pistol which Mr Loughner purchased legally at a sports store in Tucson, Arizona, on 30 November, 2010. Authorities say he had finished one magazine of bullets and was attempting to load a second when an unidentified woman ripped the gun away from him Among the dead were a nine-year-old girl and a federal judge. A total of 14 people were injured, in addition to the six who were killed. YUP - you should be mighty proud of your right to bear arms America! It's sad, but unless he had prior charges against him or a violent past- this couldn't have been predicted. Normally in these cases- the gunmen usually kill themself too. It's unfortunate the person who took the gun- didn't blow his brians out. I would have.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 26, 2011 15:16:45 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12150161Witnesses said Jared Loughner opened fire with an automatic firearm in a supermarket where Ms Giffords was holding an event to meet her constituents. He was then wrestled to the ground. The weapon has been identified as a Glock 19 9mm semi-automatic pistol which Mr Loughner purchased legally at a sports store in Tucson, Arizona, on 30 November, 2010. Authorities say he had finished one magazine of bullets and was attempting to load a second when an unidentified woman ripped the gun away from him Among the dead were a nine-year-old girl and a federal judge. A total of 14 people were injured, in addition to the six who were killed. YUP - you should be mighty proud of your right to bear arms America! It's sad, but unless he had prior charges against him or a violent past- this couldn't have been predicted. Normally in these cases- the gunmen usually kill themself too. It's unfortunate the person who took the gun- didn't blow his brians out. I would have. of course, you're a million percent correct, all the way around.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jan 30, 2011 8:18:57 GMT
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Apr 5, 2011 18:33:19 GMT
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Post by toby on Jun 27, 2011 7:54:02 GMT
Skylark posted.:-And to be fair, anyone can get hold of a gun, even in Britain.
Toby comments.:- This is quite correct, there is a steady stream of imported weapons into Britain, mostly from the former Jugoslavia, that gets sold on the Blacks market.
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Post by toby on Jun 27, 2011 8:43:33 GMT
Small list of executive orders, etc., that have ALREADY taken away the freedoms of many US citizens: Patriot Act Presidential directive 51 Military commissions act
There's more things I could list. Are you serious when you say that the fears that those is the US have of the above and MORE like them are JUST insecurity? The fact is that many have ALREADY lost their freedoms OVER TIME. What's happening is it's being done GRADUALLY. I think if it weren't this way that there would have already been some kind of huge revolution! The ##*** who start these evils KNOW that the gradual approach is the safest and most convenient way for them to do it! An FYI, another reason to have guns is for those who live in the country to protect their animals from predators (like chickens from wolves, etc.) and also to put their animals out of their misery quickly if they're already hurt and are going to die, i.e., there's nothing more the veterinarian can do, etc.
Toby comments.:-Must agree Pumpkinette, there is a concerted policy in Europe to disarm the Populations but it's meeting resistance. They tried in Switzerland but were crushed, they tried in Sweden and Finland too but the gun owning populace won there also. You will find that it's places where they have Politicians masquerading as Socialists that make the most headway in banning stuff, not only guns but making general restrictions on folks lives. Obama is a closet Socialist and if he gets elected for a second term then he will have the capacity to do terrible harm to the USA, they will call it progress but it's a steady progress to the one world government, with the socialists in charge of course.
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Post by toby on Jun 27, 2011 8:45:56 GMT
Truble posted.:- Have some toast.
Toby comments.:- I wish I had a toaster like that, the last Politician to put the interests of white folk first.
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Post by jean on Jun 27, 2011 9:38:23 GMT
Obama is a closet Socialist... If only.
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