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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 4, 2011 14:01:55 GMT
Who on earth wants to go hiking round an estate, at midnight or at any other time? I wouldn't hesitate to walk around my area at any time of day, and I and many other women go hiking alone. I expect that is no different from the States; it depends on the area. Don't tell me the streets of your rougher inner cities are safe if you are armed;. a gun in your pocket (or even waved in the air at any passer by who looks in your direction) is no protection if the predators see you first. I certainly wouldn't rely on the police to protect my property but do have strong doors, locks and household insurance A lot of people have alarms though these are not much use in an isolated area, I admit . Martin let his farmhouse go to rack and ruin and spent his money on antiques. His choice, of course, and he had every right to live there without fear of intruders. But it is not the way most people do things. And if householders routinely start arming themselves with guns, so perhaps will the burglars. in home invasion robberies, they ARE always armed. for obvious reasons, home invasions take place in the more well to do areas. obviously, there is no percentage in breaking into a house belonging to a welfare recipient. your ambivalence to the possibility, actually the probability, of being robbed is something that you can regret after it happens. i prefer to have nothing to regret. i do not lock my doors. it is not my responsibility to lock my doors. it is everyone else's responsibility to stay the hell out unless i invite them in. it is much better to kill a piece of shyt trying to steal from you than to bother locking the door. the bottom line is that YOU, and you alone, are responsible for your well being. if you choose to not be able to properly defend yourself, you do not have a gripe coming when harm comes.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 4, 2011 14:04:51 GMT
Meh? When have I ever said I'm afraid to go out? I hoped my posts have the true impression of where I live. There is no reason to not go out, anywhere at anytime where I live, apart from the stupidity of hiking in winter nights! Brrrr. Jumbo-please stop making up wild statements! as i pointed out, since you apparently live in an upper class neighborhood, it is not your neighbors that you have to worry about. the fact is that you are a much bigger target that those in the slums. the point is that it is up to you to make sure that you don't have to worry about anything, regardless of where you go.
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Post by june on Jan 4, 2011 15:38:12 GMT
Meh? When have I ever said I'm afraid to go out? I hoped my posts have the true impression of where I live. There is no reason to not go out, anywhere at anytime where I live, apart from the stupidity of hiking in winter nights! Brrrr. Jumbo-please stop making up wild statements! as i pointed out, since you apparently live in an upper class neighborhood, it is not your neighbors that you have to worry about. the fact is that you are a much bigger target that those in the slums. the point is that it is up to you to make sure that you don't have to worry about anything, regardless of where you go. I live in a village - which has mixed economy dwellings. It's nice everywhere. I am sure there are some inner city grimness down south in London but most places are fine there too. No one needs to arm themselves in case a stranger trespasses on their lawn - in any area in any city. It's completely disproportionate. Is death a suitable punishment for trespass? I don't think so, trespass isn't a criminal offence in this country!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 16:33:23 GMT
i do not lock my doors. it is not my responsibility to lock my doors. it is everyone else's responsibility to stay the hell out unless i invite them in. it is much better to kill a piece of shyt trying to steal from you than to bother locking the door. the bottom line is that YOU, and you alone, are responsible for your well being. if you choose to not be able to properly defend yourself, you do not have a gripe coming when harm comes. I don't lock the door when I'm in either, Jumbo, only when I go out, or at night. Most burglars wait until the house is empty before breaking in. But if I happen be at home, any intruder is likely to see me before I hear them. So maybe I'll lock the door when I'm at home in future; if the guy has to batter it down, I will at least know he's coming.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 4, 2011 16:53:26 GMT
as i pointed out, since you apparently live in an upper class neighborhood, it is not your neighbors that you have to worry about. the fact is that you are a much bigger target that those in the slums. the point is that it is up to you to make sure that you don't have to worry about anything, regardless of where you go. I live in a village - which has mixed economy dwellings. It's nice everywhere. I am sure there are some inner city grimness down south in London but most places are fine there too. No one needs to arm themselves in case a stranger trespasses on their lawn - in any area in any city. It's completely disproportionate. Is death a suitable punishment for trespass? I don't think so, trespass isn't a criminal offence in this country! no, death is not a suitable punishment for simple trespass. someone merely wandering onto your property does not justify killing them. obviously, of course, if the intent is to trespass in order to steal, death is definitely a fitting punishment i don't have to worry about it. crime is virtually non existent out here. the trash stay in the city where only thirty percent of the people have guns. they stay away from out here where EVERYONE has guns, and no problem killing them if they choose to die
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 4, 2011 16:57:12 GMT
i do not lock my doors. it is not my responsibility to lock my doors. it is everyone else's responsibility to stay the hell out unless i invite them in. it is much better to kill a piece of shyt trying to steal from you than to bother locking the door. the bottom line is that YOU, and you alone, are responsible for your well being. if you choose to not be able to properly defend yourself, you do not have a gripe coming when harm comes. I don't lock the door when I'm in either, Jumbo, only when I go out, or at night. Most burglars wait until the house is empty before breaking in. But if I happen be at home, any intruder is likely to see me before I hear them. So maybe I'll lock the door when I'm at home in future; if the guy has to batter it down, I will at least know he's coming. if it gave you time to get a gun and shoot it before it got to you, that would be the ideal. most burglars don't go through the door though. they go through windows
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Post by june on Jan 4, 2011 17:22:50 GMT
I live in a village - which has mixed economy dwellings. It's nice everywhere. I am sure there are some inner city grimness down south in London but most places are fine there too. No one needs to arm themselves in case a stranger trespasses on their lawn - in any area in any city. It's completely disproportionate. Is death a suitable punishment for trespass? I don't think so, trespass isn't a criminal offence in this country! no, death is not a suitable punishment for simple trespass. someone merely wandering onto your property does not justify killing them. obviously, of course, if the intent is to trespass in order to steal, death is definitely a fitting punishment i don't have to worry about it. crime is virtually non existent out here. the trash stay in the city where only thirty percent of the people have guns. they stay away from out here where EVERYONE has guns, and no problem killing them if they choose to die well that sort of environ wouldn't suit me, but glad we are both safe in our respective homes. Not sure I can agree theft = death penalty either.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 4, 2011 20:35:43 GMT
no, death is not a suitable punishment for simple trespass. someone merely wandering onto your property does not justify killing them. obviously, of course, if the intent is to trespass in order to steal, death is definitely a fitting punishment i don't have to worry about it. crime is virtually non existent out here. the trash stay in the city where only thirty percent of the people have guns. they stay away from out here where EVERYONE has guns, and no problem killing them if they choose to die well that sort of environ wouldn't suit me, but glad we are both safe in our respective homes. Not sure I can agree theft = death penalty either. it's SOLELY a thief's choice. if he thinks my tv is more important than his life, what right do i have to not grant his wish?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2011 8:21:01 GMT
most burglars don't go through the door though. they go through windows Well, quite, but only because people tend to lock their doors. Now they know you never lock yours, they will be able to make a silent entry! Most burglars also burgle when they are pretty sure the house is empty. A gun isn't a lot of use if you are not around to fire it. You could of course be like Tony Martin and sit in the dark all day and night waiting for the thief to come. But that would be a very, very sad way to spend your days. I don't know if most burglars are usually armed in the UK: I suspect not; not with guns, at any rate. But I do know that your comment "home invasions take place in the more well to do areas" isn't true here. A home on a poorer estate is more likely to be the victim of a burglary.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 5, 2011 11:56:35 GMT
most burglars don't go through the door though. they go through windows Well, quite, but only because people tend to lock their doors. Now they know you never lock yours, they will be able to make a silent entry! Most burglars also burgle when they are pretty sure the house is empty. A gun isn't a lot of use if you are not around to fire it. You could of course be like Tony Martin and sit in the dark all day and night waiting for the thief to come. But that would be a very, very sad way to spend your days. I don't know if most burglars are usually armed in the UK: I suspect not; not with guns, at any rate. But I do know that your comment "home invasions take place in the more well to do areas" isn't true here. A home on a poorer estate is more likely to be the victim of a burglary. first, i guess i should explain the difference between a burglary and a home invasion. as a rule, you are correct in that most burglars try to find houses where you are not home. a home invasion, by definition, requires that you ARE home. they come in, tie the people up, usually beat someone, and steal money and jewelry, etc. each criminal is usually armed, but one of them always is. this is a frequent occurrence. there are two or three a week in every city in the nation. obviously, if you are not home, you can't shoot them, but in a home invasion, you certainly can, and in quite a few cases, the people do
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