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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 18:59:01 GMT
Lin, the burglars were outside and Martin shot them outside. He said he was shooting blindly to scare them, but they were already running away, and surely to scare someone you shoot up in the air? He could have hit anything or anyone.
Why didn't he get a licence? As a farmer, it wouldn't have been hard, unless he had previous convictions.
I believe that the murder conviction was changed on appeal to manslaughter, and that may have been quite right. But a hero? No way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 19:53:46 GMT
Though come to think of it, people are often killed when shots are fired in the air at celebrations so even that might not have excused Martin. Recklessness can amount to murder in some cases.
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Post by june on Jan 3, 2011 20:00:32 GMT
Martin was arrogant and stupid. If he'd shot them below the waist he could have claimed accidental discharge!
There is a reason some people should not have access to guns. I grew up with guns and have shot since I was pre teen (with supervision), but I don't need a gun of my own to protect my home! That's why we have the police afterall.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 3, 2011 20:21:20 GMT
True.....hopefully he won't be able to get his hands on a gun.......unfortunately he will probably just get someone else to get him one. Paranoid idiot will just find another thing he believes he has to guard. if he gets caught with a gun, he'll do five years. he'll be on probation for four years, and is subject to having the po show up anytime and search his house, and his pants pockets
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 3, 2011 20:24:15 GMT
the more apropos question is, who the hell would want to live in a society that put upstanding citizens such as tony martin in prison for performing a public service, yet releases the wanton torture murderers of an infant after just eight years? certainly not rational folks Tony Martin didn't have a licence for his gun. He shot after the burglars when they were fleeing from his house empty handed. Do you still think he was an "upstanding citizen"? did they break into his house, or not? that wasn't the first time he'd been burglarized. true happiness IS a warm gun and a dead thief
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 3, 2011 20:29:00 GMT
Martin was arrogant and stupid. If he'd shot them below the waist he could have claimed accidental discharge! There is a reason some people should not have access to guns. I grew up with guns and have shot since I was pre teen (with supervision), but I don't need a gun of my own to protect my home! That's why we have the police afterall. THERE is where you lose it, big time. i suppose that i should check on britain, but the fact is that it has been established law in the united states since 1981 that the police do NOT have a duty to protect you. nonetheless, average response time to a life threatening emergency is five minutes or more, out here about twenty minutes. your wish to have some fool kill you so that the police can arrest and prosecute him is insane
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 20:52:52 GMT
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Post by june on Jan 3, 2011 20:58:29 GMT
Please don't tell me I've lost it it's rude and untrue. Make a counter point about the post, not me. Thanks. Martin was arrogant and stupid. If he'd shot them below the waist he could have claimed accidental discharge! There is a reason some people should not have access to guns. I grew up with guns and have shot since I was pre teen (with supervision), but I don't need a gun of my own to protect my home! That's why we have the police afterall. THERE is where you lose it, big time. i suppose that i should check on britain, but the fact is that it has been established law in the united states since 1981 that the police do NOT have a duty to protect you. nonetheless, average response time to a life threatening emergency is five minutes or more, out here about twenty minutes. your wish to have some fool kill you so that the police can arrest and prosecute him is insane
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Post by june on Jan 3, 2011 21:01:29 GMT
Jumbo
Your last comment is so stupid as to be un worthy of response. Epic fail!
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 3, 2011 22:02:07 GMT
Please don't tell me I've lost it it's rude and untrue. Make a counter point about the post, not me. Thanks. THERE is where you lose it, big time. i suppose that i should check on britain, but the fact is that it has been established law in the united states since 1981 that the police do NOT have a duty to protect you. nonetheless, average response time to a life threatening emergency is five minutes or more, out here about twenty minutes. your wish to have some fool kill you so that the police can arrest and prosecute him is insane i didn't say anything about you. i said that your comment was a loser before you even made it. your words I don't need a gun of my own to protect my home! That's why we have the police afterall. when the fact is that this is NOT the duty of the police. the job of the police is to apprehend those who have committed a crime. it is hoped that some police presence will prevent crime, but that is not a given anyway, particularly since the police can't be everywhere. the absolute reality is that it is YOUR duty to protect yourself, your family, and your property. if you choose not to fulfill that duty, the consequences are on your head, not that of the police
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 3, 2011 22:03:19 GMT
Jumbo Your last comment is so stupid as to be un worthy of response. Epic fail! i'm sorry that you allow reality to elude you
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 3, 2011 22:06:06 GMT
i'm not aware of his leanings in that direction, and if they are true, he certainly is not the nicest chap in the world. however, that doesn't negate his god given right to protect his property from even worse trash
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Post by june on Jan 3, 2011 23:58:08 GMT
Please don't tell me I've lost it it's rude and untrue. Make a counter point about the post, not me. Thanks. i didn't say anything about you. i said that your comment was a loser before you even made it. No you didn't at all "THERE is where you lose it, big time." Prety silly to deny something in print I'll accept your apology that your post doesn't reflect what you meant.
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Post by june on Jan 4, 2011 0:01:41 GMT
Jumbo Your last comment is so stupid as to be un worthy of response. Epic fail! I'm sorry that you allow reality to elude you Why? I don't live near you, or even in the same country. We don't pretend to be wild west vigilantes in west Yorkshire so I have no requirement to prance about with a penis substitute to make myself feel better about my life. It's perfectly lovely here and very safe. So please pity yourself as where you live sounds hellish, I'm safe as houses and fine and dandy. PS: please consider moving, how can you live somewhere where you need an AK-47 to take out the garbage?
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 4, 2011 0:17:58 GMT
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 4, 2011 0:22:12 GMT
I'm sorry that you allow reality to elude you Why? I don't live near you, or even in the same country. We don't pretend to be wild west vigilantes in west Yorkshire so I have no requirement to prance about with a penis substitute to make myself feel better about my life. It's perfectly lovely here and very safe. So please pity yourself as where you live sounds hellish, I'm safe as houses and fine and dandy. PS: please consider moving, how can you live somewhere where you need an AK-47 to take out the garbage? i certainly don't need to pity myself for living in a great, and FREE country, where we are rational enough to comprehend the simple reality that i have the god given right to defend myself, my family, and my property by any means necessary. the fact is, i have only had the gun in my hand when discussing the facts of life with a fool, one time in my life. i do have it though, just in case i am lucky enough to be in the back of a store when some worthless piece of shyt tries to rob it, and i can send it to hell where it belongs. that happens frequently, but i've never had the opportunity, yet
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Post by june on Jan 4, 2011 0:27:54 GMT
Why? I don't live near you, or even in the same country. We don't pretend to be wild west vigilantes in west Yorkshire so I have no requirement to prance about with a penis substitute to make myself feel better about my life. It's perfectly lovely here and very safe. So please pity yourself as where you live sounds hellish, I'm safe as houses and fine and dandy. PS: please consider moving, how can you live somewhere where you need an AK-47 to take out the garbage? i certainly don't need to pity myself for living in a great, and FREE country, where we are rational enough to comprehend the simple reality that i have the god given right to defend myself, my family, and my property by any means necessary. the fact is, i have only had the gun in my hand when discussing the facts of life with a fool, one time in my life. i do have it though, just in case i am lucky enough to be in the back of a store when some worthless piece of shyt tries to rob it, and i can send it to hell where it belongs. that happens frequently, but i've never had the opportunity, yet It's not a God given right - we've done this. However great you feel it is where you live, the way you tell it, it's an incredibly violent and dangerous place. It doesn't sound healthy, relaxing or fun. I too live in a free country - I just don't need to pop on a Kevlar vest to nip to the shops.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 4, 2011 0:35:19 GMT
i certainly don't need to pity myself for living in a great, and FREE country, where we are rational enough to comprehend the simple reality that i have the god given right to defend myself, my family, and my property by any means necessary. the fact is, i have only had the gun in my hand when discussing the facts of life with a fool, one time in my life. i do have it though, just in case i am lucky enough to be in the back of a store when some worthless piece of shyt tries to rob it, and i can send it to hell where it belongs. that happens frequently, but i've never had the opportunity, yet It's not a God given right - we've done this. However great you feel it is where you live, the way you tell it, it's an incredibly violent and dangerous place. It doesn't sound healthy, relaxing or fun. I too live in a free country - I just don't need to pop on a Kevlar vest to nip to the shops. but you are too chicken to go hiking in the estates at midnight. i don't have to be afraid to go ANYWHERE. here's a fairly nice article for you, written by a woman www.allsafedefense.com/news/CopsDontProtect.htm
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 7:05:19 GMT
Who on earth wants to go hiking round an estate, at midnight or at any other time? I wouldn't hesitate to walk around my area at any time of day, and I and many other women go hiking alone. I expect that is no different from the States; it depends on the area. Don't tell me the streets of your rougher inner cities are safe if you are armed;. a gun in your pocket (or even waved in the air at any passer by who looks in your direction) is no protection if the predators see you first.
I certainly wouldn't rely on the police to protect my property but do have strong doors, locks and household insurance A lot of people have alarms though these are not much use in an isolated area, I admit . Martin let his farmhouse go to rack and ruin and spent his money on antiques. His choice, of course, and he had every right to live there without fear of intruders.
But it is not the way most people do things. And if householders routinely start arming themselves with guns, so perhaps will the burglars.
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Post by june on Jan 4, 2011 11:10:28 GMT
Meh? When have I ever said I'm afraid to go out? I hoped my posts have the true impression of where I live. There is no reason to not go out, anywhere at anytime where I live, apart from the stupidity of hiking in winter nights! Brrrr. Jumbo-please stop making up wild statements! It's not a God given right - we've done this. However great you feel it is where you live, the way you tell it, it's an incredibly violent and dangerous place. It doesn't sound healthy, relaxing or fun. I too live in a free country - I just don't need to pop on a Kevlar vest to nip to the shops. but you are too chicken to go hiking in the estates at midnight. i don't have to be afraid to go ANYWHERE. here's a fairly nice article for you, written by a woman www.allsafedefense.com/news/CopsDontProtect.htm
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