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Post by jean on Nov 5, 2010 10:00:10 GMT
Would anyone have seriously considered employing Bush jnr. in any capacity whatsoever?
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Post by iamjumbo on Nov 5, 2010 12:37:15 GMT
Jumbo - I have many years of experience in recruitment (executive and engineering). Every single position that we ever worked on had a job description and a list of required qualifications including such things as education and work experience. The higher level the position, the longer the list of requirements and the more stringent the screening. Looking at Obama's resume (CV for our European friends), there is not a ghost of a chance that I could have seriously proposed him as a CEO for any of our clients. They would have laughed me out of the room. He had a very weak resume for any managerial position. He did look qualified to be a social worker though. thank you lad. that is EXACTLY why he is qualified to be president. i've already told you that NO ceo is qualified to be president. the country is NOT a corporation, and it is way past time that it stopped trying to be run that way
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Post by iamjumbo on Nov 5, 2010 12:39:11 GMT
Would anyone have seriously considered employing Bush jnr. in any capacity whatsoever? not according to das. according to him, dumbya had absolutely NO qualifications to even be a social worker, let alone president
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Nov 6, 2010 0:23:38 GMT
Here is a good example of poor decision making by the Obama administration vs. excellent decision making by the Bush administration.
The United Nations Human Rights Council, a conclave of 47 nations that includes such notorious human rights violators as China, Cuba, Libya and Saudi Arabia, met in Geneva on Friday, to question the United States about its human rights failings.
It heard, among other things, that the U.S. discriminates against Muslims, that its police are barbaric and that it has been holding political prisoners behind bars for years.
Russia urged the U.S. to abolish the death penalty. Cuba and Iran called on Washington to close Guantanamo prison and investigate alleged torture by its troops abroad. Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, told the U.S. it must better promote religious tolerance. Mexico complained that racial profiling had become a common practice in some U.S. states.
For the first time ever, the U.S. came under the Human Rights Council’s microscope as part of the its centerpiece activity, the “Universal Periodic Review,” a rotating examination of the human rights failings and strong points of every country in the world, from North Korea to Norway, by the council's members. For two hours, council members got to say whatever they wish, good and ill, about the country that has done the most in the past 40 years to establish human rights as a global theme.
The anticipation was that that ill-wishers were planning to pack the line to the speaker’s podium, with complaints from some Western human rights organizations that Cuba, Venezuela and Iran were seeking to “hijack” the microphone and stack the speaker’s list with U.S. critics. And it appears to some extent they did.
But what really is under review is the gamble by the Obama administration to join the council in the first place, rather than shun it in disdain, as the Bush administration did, along with its predecessor, the U.N. Human Rights Commission, because of its roster of despotic members and unbridled antagonism toward Israel.
The Universal Periodic Review, in which all countries great and small submit to human rights commentary by their peers, is supposed to help install the principle of observing human rights in the farthest reaches of the international community. But it is also showing signs of becoming, in the U.S. case, a one-sided fiasco, along the lines of such previous toxic human rights extravaganzas as the U.N.’s 2001 “World Conference Against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance,” and its 2006 follow-up, which turned into orgies of anti-Israeli posturing and helped to lead to the previous U.N. Human Rights Commission crackup.
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Post by riotgrrl on Nov 6, 2010 0:40:50 GMT
What, you can't take a bit of criticism?
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Post by iamjumbo on Nov 6, 2010 13:36:18 GMT
What, you can't take a bit of criticism? certainly, when it is warranted. of course, in this instance it is NOT. das gets to be right this time. the u.s. has NO business participating in such stupidity
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Post by gabriel on Nov 6, 2010 13:43:37 GMT
Bush has been out of office for 2 years. Why do people keep dragging him into the conversation?
Been and gone and went.
You got what you got. Obama's been in the job for 2 years.
Come on now.
Time to start to look at him and his admin.
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Post by riotgrrl on Nov 6, 2010 18:36:26 GMT
What, you can't take a bit of criticism? certainly, when it is warranted. of course, in this instance it is NOT. das gets to be right this time. the u.s. has NO business participating in such stupidity Right. So, just as I suspected, the USA cannot stand to be criticised. Touchy, touchy, touchy.
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Post by june on Nov 6, 2010 19:42:32 GMT
What's to criticise?
They were right in Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Iraq, etc etc
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Post by iamjumbo on Nov 7, 2010 16:14:50 GMT
Bush has been out of office for 2 years. Why do people keep dragging him into the conversation? Been and gone and went. You got what you got. Obama's been in the job for 2 years. Come on now. Time to start to look at him and his admin. hardly lad. obama has had to spend two years trying to fix the problems that dumbya created. it's difficult to get other things done when he has to spend all of his time undoing the damage that dumbya did. dumbya spent eight years trying to destroy the country. obama can't fix it in just two
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Post by iamjumbo on Nov 7, 2010 16:17:44 GMT
certainly, when it is warranted. of course, in this instance it is NOT. das gets to be right this time. the u.s. has NO business participating in such stupidity Right. So, just as I suspected, the USA cannot stand to be criticised. Touchy, touchy, touchy. wrong. if there were LEGITIMATE grievances, you may criticize to your hearts content. since you are criticizing delusions, there is no rational reason to pay attention to such bogus criticism.
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Post by iamjumbo on Nov 7, 2010 16:20:00 GMT
What's to criticise? They were right in Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Iraq, etc etc obviously, the u.s. was a hundred percent right in korea. we were NOT right in vietnam or iraq. we were definitely wrong putting castro in power in cuba
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Post by riotgrrl on Nov 7, 2010 19:08:42 GMT
Russia urged the U.S. to abolish the death penalty. Cuba and Iran called on Washington to close Guantanamo prison and investigate alleged torture by its troops abroad. Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, told the U.S. it must better promote religious tolerance. Mexico complained that racial profiling had become a common practice in some U.S. states.
So you think the USA is above criticism on all these matters?
OK, so you want to keep the death penalty, but can't you at least acknowledge that you are alone among the civilised world in that?
Can't you see that the rest of the world considers Guantanamo a slur on the face of America? That it's a breach of the rule of law? That it's the kind of thing we expect from tinpot dictatorships, not the most powerful democracy on earth?
Etc. etc.
You're telling me that the USA can take criticism, but even on those areas where the rest of the civilised world thinks you're wrong, you're right and nobody should be allowed to say differently?
Yeah, right. America can take criticism and isn't at all touchy, touchy, touchy. Yeah, right.
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Post by june on Nov 7, 2010 21:05:55 GMT
What's to criticise? They were right in Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Iraq, etc etc obviously, the u.s. was a hundred percent right in korea. we were NOT right in vietnam or iraq. we were definitely wrong putting castro in power in cuba A belief you are right is not the same as being right. A lesson the USA should learn quickly, for all our sakes.
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Post by Big Lin on Nov 7, 2010 22:55:13 GMT
I have to say that Jumbo is not someone who fits easily into stereotypes.
He was described on another board as 'a socialist hillbilly.'
While I think that's a total caricature his political views are a mixture of genuinely varied opinions that defy simply putting them into a 'left/right' type of box.
He is a true individual and that's one of the many things I love about him!
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Nov 8, 2010 1:53:24 GMT
People like Riotgrrl have an ass-backwards or upside down view of the world.
Here is my take on the points raised:
>Russia urged the U.S. to abolish the death penalty. Russia is hardly a beacon for human rights activists. Ever hear of Siberia? Ever hear of the KGB? Texas is the role model for the world on the DP. However, Texas fails to implement the DP in a timely manner so there is much room for improvement, even in Texas.
>Cuba and Iran called on Washington to close Guantanamo prison and investigate alleged torture by its troops abroad. Escuse me! Did you say Cuba and Iran? Now that's a laugh. The one and only problem with Guantanamo is that we've released a number of terrorists who should never have been released. Releasing terrorists is a really bad idea.
>Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, told the U.S. it must better promote religious tolerance. Whoa! Show me a Muslim country that really has religious tolerance on par with the USA.
>Mexico complained that racial profiling had become a common practice in some U.S. states. Mexico's current government, under President Calderon, is the best they've ever had. He's going after the drug gangs with military force. America is his staunchest ally. Some US States, notably Arizona, are asking people to carry photo identification. Arizona has a big problem with illegal aliens. Why should they not seek to identify and expell them?
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Post by riotgrrl on Nov 8, 2010 7:37:25 GMT
People like Riotgrrl have an ass-backwards or upside down view of the world. Here is my take on the points raised: >Russia urged the U.S. to abolish the death penalty. Russia is hardly a beacon for human rights activists. Ever hear of Siberia? Ever hear of the KGB? Texas is the role model for the world on the DP. However, Texas fails to implement the DP in a timely manner so there is much room for improvement, even in Texas. >Cuba and Iran called on Washington to close Guantanamo prison and investigate alleged torture by its troops abroad. Escuse me! Did you say Cuba and Iran? Now that's a laugh. The one and only problem with Guantanamo is that we've released a number of terrorists who should never have been released. Releasing terrorists is a really bad idea. >Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, told the U.S. it must better promote religious tolerance. Whoa! Show me a Muslim country that really has religious tolerance on par with the USA. >Mexico complained that racial profiling had become a common practice in some U.S. states. Mexico's current government, under President Calderon, is the best they've ever had. He's going after the drug gangs with military force. America is his staunchest ally. Some US States, notably Arizona, are asking people to carry photo identification. Arizona has a big problem with illegal aliens. Why should they not seek to identify and expell them? Nobody is holding these nations up as beacons of anything. Where the criticism comes is irrelevant. Why go on the defensive and attack the messengers? The fact that you don't even have the maturity to say 'ok, the people pointing the fingers have got a cheek, but I can see that other nations might have a point, even if I don't agree with it' is a sign that, as a nation, America is a screaming teenage brat that can't take criticism. "Your room is a mess young man." "Yes, and you're fat and ugly and I hate you."
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Post by gabriel on Nov 8, 2010 12:19:42 GMT
Bush has been out of office for 2 years. Why do people keep dragging him into the conversation? Been and gone and went. You got what you got. Obama's been in the job for 2 years. Come on now. Time to start to look at him and his admin. Still waiting for an answer jim.
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Post by pumpkinette on Nov 8, 2010 15:51:27 GMT
Bush has been out of office for 2 years. Why do people keep dragging him into the conversation? Been and gone and went. You got what you got. Obama's been in the job for 2 years. Come on now. Time to start to look at him and his admin. Still waiting for an answer jim. All you'll get is more rationalizations, outright ignoring what you're asking, willful denial or the "Republicans caused it all" ( ). I'm to the point where I can predict the answers, unfortunately. The truth is IF phony "Savior" Obama had done ANY work on the deficit SOME RESULT would have SHOWED BY NOW. If DUBYA had said the same things "Savior" did and the results were the same as they are now, the screaming would never stop.
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Post by pumpkinette on Nov 8, 2010 20:07:08 GMT
If the GREAT ( ) "Savior" Obama is TRULY fixing things, then why in the world is the deficit NOW at the WORST in US history, WORSE THAN under DUBYA? WHY? If any work's been done, WHERE is it? There's been NO change in this debt! The Republicans are solely responsible? Really? Then why is IT STILL HAPPENING? Why has the "Savior" ( ) already BROKEN Dubya's record? The savior has had 2 years to work on this. Where's the results of ANY work? no, no hon, you know better than that. rome wasn't built in a day, and it was started neutral. dumbya spent eight years trying to destroy the country. how could you possibly think that eight years of damage could be fixed in just two years? also, as i have said, if dumbya had not created the biggest deficit in history, ALL of what obama has spent wouldn't have the deficit half as high as it now is There's no record of ANY progress being made in 2 years! You know the deficit is now WORSE than it was ANY time under Dubya. That shows NO progress made! If Dubya had made the same promises as phony "Savior" Obama did and things were this way 2 years into his term, the screaming on here would never stop!
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