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Post by iamjumbo on Nov 4, 2010 12:56:35 GMT
in a way, it is a good thing for obama. the majority of those who were stupid enough to vote for the republcians comprehend the fact that it is the republcians who are totally responsible for the economic collapse of the country. they were dumb enough to vote the idiots back in to fix the mess that they created. since the republcian mantra is purely obstructionism, the situation is not going to improve, and the republcians will once again be proven the quacks that they are. this definitely guarantees obama a second term Well it worked for Clinton, who had similar mid-term results. exactly. it's the identical situation, and will have the identical result
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Post by iamjumbo on Nov 4, 2010 13:02:19 GMT
I just wonder what answers the Republicans have, and what they would do that is different? Answer: Cut taxes and get out of the way. make up your mind lad. if you believed that, you would have voted for the democrats. it is the democrats that want to keep tax cuts for the normal people, and allow the rich and corporations to pay their fair share.
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Post by iamjumbo on Nov 4, 2010 13:13:56 GMT
Jumbo - It is so sad that Jerry 'Moonbeam' Brown won the California governor's race. Ditto for Barbara Boxer retaining her California Senate seat. Really sad that Chuck Schumer was reelected in NY. Even looney Shirley Jackson Lee was reelected. Yesterday was great progress but there is much more work to do in the next election. not at all my boy. what IS sad is the price gouging oil baron becoming governor of tennessee, the broad who is so proud of the fact that she thinks insurance company profits are more important than a baby's life that she produced a campaign ad about it, and a wife beater became congresspeople in tennessee. of course, those are the kind of people that you adore, so you should be happy
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Post by iamjumbo on Nov 4, 2010 13:20:46 GMT
Answer: Cut taxes and get out of the way. Isn't that what created the huge financial deficit America now has that Obama is trying to sort? precisely. dumbya and the republicans turned the largest budget surplus in history into the largest deficit in history in the first three years they were there. the republican practice of robbing the poor to give to the rich is exactly what caused the economic meltdown that we had. it was the republican idiocy of deregulating corporations that caused the housing collapse and ten percent unemployment. now, they are going to try and repeat it
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Post by iamjumbo on Nov 4, 2010 13:22:30 GMT
No June. The deficit was caused by excessive spending especially on social programs. Obama's health care program is just more of the same. Government agencies are bloated bureaucracies that just grow and grow. Layoffs are in order. Our Democrats have had the same game plan for decades. It is to tax the productive members of society and use those funds to purchase votes from the unproductive members (who unfortunately outnumber the productive folks). i see that the vacation did nothing to alleviate these hallucinations that you cling to
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Post by iamjumbo on Nov 4, 2010 13:27:05 GMT
No June. The deficit was caused by excessive spending especially on social programs. Obama's health care program is just more of the same. Government agencies are bloated bureaucracies that just grow and grow. Layoffs are in order. Our Democrats have had the same game plan for decades. It is to tax the productive members of society and use those funds to purchase votes from the unproductive members (who unfortunately outnumber the productive folks). This does not make any logical sense to me. I must be missing something. Surely Obama has been in power for 2 years, and before that America had 8 years of Republican Presidencies. Are you honestly saying that, in just 2 years, Obama has managed to take the sleek, unbloated administration of George W Bush and turned it into the bloated state you talk of now? Seems a little unlikely. Still, nobody ever went broke underestimating Americans' ability to think logically. the reality is that dumbya spent eight years trying to destroy the economy and put as many people out of work as possible. obama has spent two years trying to rectify it, but obviously, it can't be fixed overnight. the simple FACT is that, had not dumbya created the biggest deficit in history, ALL of the money that obama has spent trying to fix dumya's boondoggle would be half what the deficit now is. the republicans are SOLELY responsible for the huge deficit we now have
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Post by june on Nov 4, 2010 15:40:40 GMT
No June. The deficit was caused by excessive spending especially on social programs. Obama's health care program is just more of the same. Government agencies are bloated bureaucracies that just grow and grow. Layoffs are in order. Our Democrats have had the same game plan for decades. It is to tax the productive members of society and use those funds to purchase votes from the unproductive members (who unfortunately outnumber the productive folks). i see that the vacation did nothing to alleviate these hallucinations that you cling to I agree Jim - BA is the only person I have heard discussing the USA economy that doesn't admit it was Bush who caused it. Even respected republicans will say it was the Bush administrations fault. An unpopular war you cannot win, a huge debt and the nuts in the Tea Party having a voice - Obama certainly took on a poisoned chalice!
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Post by pumpkinette on Nov 4, 2010 16:54:47 GMT
This does not make any logical sense to me. I must be missing something. Surely Obama has been in power for 2 years, and before that America had 8 years of Republican Presidencies. Are you honestly saying that, in just 2 years, Obama has managed to take the sleek, unbloated administration of George W Bush and turned it into the bloated state you talk of now? Seems a little unlikely. Still, nobody ever went broke underestimating Americans' ability to think logically. the reality is that dumbya spent eight years trying to destroy the economy and put as many people out of work as possible. obama has spent two years trying to rectify it, but obviously, it can't be fixed overnight. the simple FACT is that, had not dumbya created the biggest deficit in history, ALL of the money that obama has spent trying to fix dumya's boondoggle would be half what the deficit now is. the republicans are SOLELY responsible for the huge deficit we now have If the GREAT ( : "Savior" Obama is TRULY fixing things, then why in the world is the deficit NOW at the WORST in US history, WORSE THAN under DUBYA? WHY? If any work's been done, WHERE is it? There's been NO change in this debt! The Republicans are solely responsible? Really? Then why is IT STILL HAPPENING? Why has the "Savior" ( : already BROKEN Dubya's record? The savior has had 2 years to work on this. Where's the results of ANY work?
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Post by riotgrrl on Nov 4, 2010 17:23:25 GMT
Take it you're not an Obama fan Pumpkinette?
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Post by june on Nov 4, 2010 19:10:58 GMT
Take it you're not an Obama fan Pumpkinette? or of the letter 'U' ;D
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Nov 4, 2010 20:37:58 GMT
No June. The deficit was caused by excessive spending especially on social programs. Obama's health care program is just more of the same. Government agencies are bloated bureaucracies that just grow and grow. Layoffs are in order. Our Democrats have had the same game plan for decades. It is to tax the productive members of society and use those funds to purchase votes from the unproductive members (who unfortunately outnumber the productive folks). This does not make any logical sense to me. I must be missing something. Surely Obama has been in power for 2 years, and before that America had 8 years of Republican Presidencies. Are you honestly saying that, in just 2 years, Obama has managed to take the sleek, unbloated administration of George W Bush and turned it into the bloated state you talk of now? Seems a little unlikely. Still, nobody ever went broke underestimating Americans' ability to think logically. Obama is just the latest in a long line of liberal Democrats. They've controlled the US Congress for most of the past 50 years and it is Congress who controls spending, not the President. The heart of the problem is their belief that regulations, laws and bureaucrats can implement deep cultural changes. They never have understood Rossi’s Law (named for the sociologist Peter Rossi) which is that “the expected value for any measured effect of a social program is zero.” The Great Society programs that the Democrats pushed in the 1960s demonstrated that government engineering doesn’t work. Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty failed because liberals simply didn’t understand the limits of government’s power to transform culture. What they did, and still do, understand is how to staff up huge government bureaucracies and how to enact wasteful entitlement programs.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Nov 4, 2010 20:59:28 GMT
If the GREAT ( : "Savior" Obama is TRULY fixing things, then why in the world is the deficit NOW at the WORST in US history, WORSE THAN under DUBYA? WHY? If any work's been done, WHERE is it? There's been NO change in this debt! The Republicans are solely responsible? Really? Then why is IT STILL HAPPENING? Why has the "Savior" ( : already BROKEN Dubya's record? The savior has had 2 years to work on this. Where's the results of ANY work? Actually, I think Presidents get too much blame and credit. They're important but Congress is more important. It's Congress that creates bureaucratic programs with entitlement payments. It's Congress that can authorize expenditures, create laws, levy taxes, etc. In some ways I'm happy that Obama was elected. His election sent a very positive message to the world about America. Who would have believed that a fairly young and inexperienced black man could be elected President of the United States? It validates the idea that America really is the land of opportunity. It's not a country where wealth and social standing determine one's success or failure. On the other hand, Obama had virtually zero qualifications for the job. He had a college education as a lawyer and had worked in community development in Chicago. That's hardly suitable preparation for the job of chief executive officer of a country like the USA. Obama's is more a part of the problem than a part of the solution. That's because of the party he belongs to and the people who surround him. We Republicans may say that we want to get rid of Obama but that's just shorthand for what we really mean which is that we want to get rid of the Democrats.
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Post by beth on Nov 4, 2010 21:07:35 GMT
das, are you seriously suggesting you'd prefer a one-party system? hmmm ... isn't there another word for that?
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Nov 4, 2010 21:14:32 GMT
Beth
A two party system is what I much prefer: Republicans and Libertarians
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Post by iamjumbo on Nov 4, 2010 21:45:47 GMT
i see that the vacation did nothing to alleviate these hallucinations that you cling to I agree Jim - BA is the only person I have heard discussing the USA economy that doesn't admit it was Bush who caused it. Even respected republicans will say it was the Bush administrations fault. An unpopular war you cannot win, a huge debt and the nuts in the Tea Party having a voice - Obama certainly took on a poisoned chalice! i know. the facts speak for themselves, but, das has an aversion to facts as they pertain to dumbya
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Post by iamjumbo on Nov 4, 2010 21:48:53 GMT
the reality is that dumbya spent eight years trying to destroy the economy and put as many people out of work as possible. obama has spent two years trying to rectify it, but obviously, it can't be fixed overnight. the simple FACT is that, had not dumbya created the biggest deficit in history, ALL of the money that obama has spent trying to fix dumya's boondoggle would be half what the deficit now is. the republicans are SOLELY responsible for the huge deficit we now have If the GREAT ( : "Savior" Obama is TRULY fixing things, then why in the world is the deficit NOW at the WORST in US history, WORSE THAN under DUBYA? WHY? If any work's been done, WHERE is it? There's been NO change in this debt! The Republicans are solely responsible? Really? Then why is IT STILL HAPPENING? Why has the "Savior" ( : already BROKEN Dubya's record? The savior has had 2 years to work on this. Where's the results of ANY work? no, no hon, you know better than that. rome wasn't built in a day, and it was started neutral. dumbya spent eight years trying to destroy the country. how could you possibly think that eight years of damage could be fixed in just two years? also, as i have said, if dumbya had not created the biggest deficit in history, ALL of what obama has spent wouldn't have the deficit half as high as it now is
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Post by iamjumbo on Nov 4, 2010 21:54:33 GMT
If the GREAT ( : "Savior" Obama is TRULY fixing things, then why in the world is the deficit NOW at the WORST in US history, WORSE THAN under DUBYA? WHY? If any work's been done, WHERE is it? There's been NO change in this debt! The Republicans are solely responsible? Really? Then why is IT STILL HAPPENING? Why has the "Savior" ( : already BROKEN Dubya's record? The savior has had 2 years to work on this. Where's the results of ANY work? Actually, I think Presidents get too much blame and credit. They're important but Congress is more important. It's Congress that creates bureaucratic programs with entitlement payments. It's Congress that can authorize expenditures, create laws, levy taxes, etc. In some ways I'm happy that Obama was elected. His election sent a very positive message to the world about America. Who would have believed that a fairly young and inexperienced black man could be elected President of the United States? It validates the idea that America really is the land of opportunity. It's not a country where wealth and social standing determine one's success or failure. On the other hand, Obama had virtually zero qualifications for the job. He had a college education as a lawyer and had worked in community development in Chicago. That's hardly suitable preparation for the job of chief executive officer of a country like the USA. Obama's is more a part of the problem than a part of the solution. That's because of the party he belongs to and the people who surround him. We Republicans may say that we want to get rid of Obama but that's just shorthand for what we really mean which is that we want to get rid of the Democrats. of course obama was qualified. he had never been part of a corporation. that, in and of itself, qualifies him, and anyone else. NO rational person wants some greed driven nutjob of a corporate ceo running the country.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Nov 4, 2010 23:59:08 GMT
Jumbo - I have many years of experience in recruitment (executive and engineering). Every single position that we ever worked on had a job description and a list of required qualifications including such things as education and work experience.
The higher level the position, the longer the list of requirements and the more stringent the screening.
Looking at Obama's resume (CV for our European friends), there is not a ghost of a chance that I could have seriously proposed him as a CEO for any of our clients. They would have laughed me out of the room. He had a very weak resume for any managerial position. He did look qualified to be a social worker though.
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Post by sadie1263 on Nov 5, 2010 2:20:43 GMT
I would like someone that has actually balanced a checkbook and understands the concept.......that would be a new concept for our government.
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Post by riotgrrl on Nov 5, 2010 8:21:52 GMT
Jumbo - I have many years of experience in recruitment (executive and engineering). Every single position that we ever worked on had a job description and a list of required qualifications including such things as education and work experience. The higher level the position, the longer the list of requirements and the more stringent the screening. Looking at Obama's resume (CV for our European friends), there is not a ghost of a chance that I could have seriously proposed him as a CEO for any of our clients. They would have laughed me out of the room. He had a very weak resume for any managerial position. He did look qualified to be a social worker though. A President is not a CEO. A country is not a corporation - or it is only in the minds of the least patriotic, least poetic, bitter little minds. The President of the USA does not require a qualification in HR or accountancy. He is a leader. He carries the hopes and dreams of his people. He represents them as they want to see themselves on the world stage. The citizens of a nation are not employees of the nation, beavering away to make the nation profitable. They are free people, choosing one of their number to represent, inspire, console and lead them. This equation of nation with corporation is revolting to me. But then, I love my country.
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