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Post by pumpkinette on Oct 5, 2010 16:56:52 GMT
I don't have a sister. And even if I did that's not on. The Eygptian Pharoahs were pretty good at incest. They thought it kept their bloodlines pure. So they ended up with Akhenaten and Tutankhamen. This is Akhenaten. He was one seriously screwed up dude. His elongated skull, androngynous body. He passed these defects down to his kids - Tut and his his sister Ankhsenamun. And they married and their kids weren't carried to full term. Incest is wrong. Full stop. Half brother and sister it's still wrong. Wasn't Akhenaten 1 of the 1st serial killers? My fiance and I watched a show a while back on 1 of the 1st serial killers whose name started with an "A" that was an Egyptian. I can't remember his name now. Anyway, if they choose to do this evil, they get punished in more ways than 1 and, unfortunately, the kids end up suffering the most from the EVIL PERVERSION of the adults. The God of the Bible ordered the Jews to NEVER do this evil and that still applies today (thank you, God!) based on the words the Jesus Christ used when talking about sexual immorality and also at least 1 reference by St. Paul. It's wrong and always will be even WITHOUT God ordering people to NEVER do it.
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Post by Wonder Woman on Oct 5, 2010 20:05:33 GMT
Unbeknownst to you, the man you're living with is your half brother. Leave him. Now. Your "joke" isn't funny and never will be. It's no joke ~ did you see me laughing? Without testing, one can never be absolutely sure regardless what you've been told or believe to be true. Now, you say you're in love with this man... so, you dump him on the spot if you now find he's your half brother? I just think it's way easy to say what you'd do in any given situation, to claim something is 'EVIL!!!!' than to actually live it. 'Course, judging others is always easier than judging oneself.
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Post by Wonder Woman on Oct 5, 2010 20:06:27 GMT
LOL ~ I wouldn't get down with my sister either but, look at the bright side ~ at least if you did you wouldn't have to worry about the offspring of the union. Incest is evil no matter what. It doesn't matter if the people get pregnant or NOT. It's evil: end of story. See above response... it answers my feelings on this as well... end of story.
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Post by Wonder Woman on Oct 5, 2010 20:07:54 GMT
I don't have a sister. And even if I did that's not on. The Eygptian Pharoahs were pretty good at incest. They thought it kept their bloodlines pure. So they ended up with Akhenaten and Tutankhamen. This is Akhenaten. He was one seriously screwed up dude. His elongated skull, androngynous body. He passed these defects down to his kids - Tut and his his sister Ankhsenamun. And they married and their kids weren't carried to full term. Incest is wrong. Full stop. Half brother and sister it's still wrong. Wasn't Akhenaten 1 of the 1st serial killers? My fiance and I watched a show a while back on 1 of the 1st serial killers whose name started with an "A" that was an Egyptian. I can't remember his name now. Anyway, if they choose to do this evil, they get punished in more ways than 1 and, unfortunately, the kids end up suffering the most from the EVIL PERVERSION of the adults. The God of the Bible ordered the Jews to NEVER do this evil and that still applies today (thank you, God!) based on the words the Jesus Christ used when talking about sexual immorality and also at least 1 reference by St. Paul. It's wrong and always will be even WITHOUT God ordering people to NEVER do it. Adam and Eve weren't blood related. Only bone.
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Post by pumpkinette on Oct 6, 2010 5:59:01 GMT
Your "joke" isn't funny and never will be. It's no joke ~ did you see me laughing? Without testing, one can never be absolutely sure regardless what you've been told or believe to be true. Now, you say you're in love with this man... so, you dump him on the spot if you now find he's your half brother? I just think it's way easy to say what you'd do in any given situation, to claim something is 'EVIL!!!!' than to actually live it. 'Course, judging others is always easier than judging oneself. If I didn't judge myself, I wouldn't have spent years working on recovery from alcoholism (will be 11 years sober October 16th) and working on recovering from the trauma of the murders in my family plus being abused by 1 parent until age 24. You HAVE to judge yourself to GET well and that's all there is to it. I also wouldn't own up to when I DO WRONG and resolve to do better the next time. There's been times I took way too long to acknowledge I was in the wrong! I haven't been perfect at all at times, but won't ever give up on being as perfect as possible in the long run. As far as saying that certain things are evil and always will be, I know the popular thing is to either BE SILENT and/or GO ALONG with stuff like incest (rationalize it, say it isn't "so bad", outright deny how evil it is, excuse peoples' actions even though their kids are victimized by their actions through health problems, etc., etc.). ###*** all that! I won't go along with it and people can pick apart my posts as much as they want, etc. and in the end it won't silence me and others who speak up about what IS evil and always will be.
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Post by pumpkinette on Oct 6, 2010 6:02:56 GMT
Your "joke" isn't funny and never will be. It's no joke ~ did you see me laughing? Without testing, one can never be absolutely sure regardless what you've been told or believe to be true. Now, you say you're in love with this man... so, you dump him on the spot if you now find he's your half brother? I just think it's way easy to say what you'd do in any given situation, to claim something is 'EVIL!!!!' than to actually live it. 'Course, judging others is always easier than judging oneself. IF my fiance were related to me in any way, yes, I'd end our romantic relationship. He would also since he HATES evil incest and would want NO part of it. It's called doing the right thing OVER what's convenient and EASY.
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Post by pumpkinette on Oct 6, 2010 6:08:44 GMT
I feel sorry for James and Maura. I don't think I could give up my soulmate and partner for eight years. Health problems for the children are, of course, the only ''sin'' here but what are the statistics for problems in off-spring from half siblings? Anyone know? Perhaps not nearly as bad as we imagine? Problems resulting from a couple of generations of inbreeding are documented, but this is not the case here. I bet there's more accidental inbreeding than we realise. It'll probably be fine. As for the legal side, they are defying the law. How the law goes about catching them, I have no idea! The "only" sin? Really? You may want to read up on how incest destroys people. It's evil and that's 1 reason it destroys people. Please realize how this evil causes MANY to self-destruct and also hurt others through their self-destruction! It's a huge problem in the world! They don't have to have full-on sex for it to be destructive either. family.jrank.org/pages/847/Incest-Effects-on-Victims.htmlwww.pamramsey.com/incest.htmThese articles are some of many exposing what this does to people. Just because the people in this article are older it doesn't mean it won't cause them to degenerate over time, etc. As far as giving up your partner, doing the right thing is more important than your comfort, etc. when you find out you're related.
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Post by gabriel on Oct 6, 2010 11:14:06 GMT
To the best of my knowledge, pumpkin, Akhenaten wasn't a serial killer. A serial incest person (does a noun exist anywhere for that?) since he also bedded some of his daughters.
But that was Egyptian royalty. No wonder they no longer exist!
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Post by Wonder Woman on Oct 6, 2010 13:44:25 GMT
It's no joke ~ did you see me laughing? Without testing, one can never be absolutely sure regardless what you've been told or believe to be true. Now, you say you're in love with this man... so, you dump him on the spot if you now find he's your half brother? I just think it's way easy to say what you'd do in any given situation, to claim something is 'EVIL!!!!' than to actually live it. 'Course, judging others is always easier than judging oneself. If I didn't judge myself, I wouldn't have spent years working on recovery from alcoholism (will be 11 years sober October 16th) and working on recovering from the trauma of the murders in my family plus being abused by 1 parent until age 24. You HAVE to judge yourself to GET well and that's all there is to it. I also wouldn't own up to when I DO WRONG and resolve to do better the next time. There's been times I took way too long to acknowledge I was in the wrong! I haven't been perfect at all at times, but won't ever give up on being as perfect as possible in the long run. As far as saying that certain things are evil and always will be, I know the popular thing is to either BE SILENT and/or GO ALONG with stuff like incest (rationalize it, say it isn't "so bad", outright deny how evil it is, excuse peoples' actions even though their kids are victimized by their actions through health problems, etc., etc.). ###*** all that! I won't go along with it and people can pick apart my posts as much as they want, etc. and in the end it won't silence me and others who speak up about what IS evil and always will be. Didn't sound like you were 'alone' in that thinking, Pumpkin, so no need for the pulpit. Certainly, I wouldn't expect my responses to silence you, dear, and that would be quite the opposite of my intentions anyway. I just gotta laugh whenever the 'EVIL' screams begin over something that is consensual and between adults. Sure I may feel badly for the products of such a union, but lotsa people have children who, IMO, shouldn't, and I feel just as badly for those messed up kids.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 6, 2010 16:38:42 GMT
Incest pair ... John and Jennifer Deaves with their baby Celestewww.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/1015052/Incest-pair-slammed.htmlThere are quite a number of incest pairs with or without children. They often argue that they are the victims of an unfair double standard which allows genetically sick people to marry and risk passing their defects on to their offspring, but only they are subject to the law.
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Post by pumpkinette on Oct 6, 2010 16:54:05 GMT
Incest pair ... John and Jennifer Deaves with their baby Celestewww.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/1015052/Incest-pair-slammed.htmlThere are quite a number of incest pairs with or without children. They often argue that they are the victims of an unfair double standard which allows genetically sick people to marry and risk passing their defects on to their offspring, but only they are subject to the law. The genetically sick people aren't RELATED! Just looking at these 2 perverts is enough to make you nauseated. These perverts purposely leave out that the genetically sick people aren't RELATED. That's just another way they rationalize their sick evil. God help us.
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Post by pumpkinette on Oct 6, 2010 16:55:17 GMT
To the best of my knowledge, pumpkin, Akhenaten wasn't a serial killer. A serial incest person (does a noun exist anywhere for that?) since he also bedded some of his daughters. But that was Egyptian royalty. No wonder they no longer exist! Thanks for the clarification on Akhenaten. It sounds like he was a pervert in with the rest of them doing this sickness.
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Post by sadie1263 on Oct 6, 2010 19:26:37 GMT
I knew a couple that continued to have children "knowing" that the children were being born with a disease that in all probability would kill them. I even know that they gave birth to one child the same day that another child died. People pleaded with them (even their own family members) to stop having children......they just continued to say they would take as many as the Lord gave them.........I think the children had a very acute form of leukemia or something like that...
I'm not sure how many ended up living and how many died.....it was really tragic.....they of course ended up divorced.....he cheated on her constantly......never paid child support and I think our tax dollars paid for their hospital stays and everything else.
I think that was a case where someone should have been able to step in and stop them.
Again....I think there are instances where people have to put their own wishes and desires 2nd to what is better for the greater good......and possibly having children that could have serious problems.....should be enough....to make you think twice about it. If you have to have children.....then adopt.
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Post by mouse on Oct 6, 2010 21:33:01 GMT
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 7, 2010 4:29:31 GMT
Incest pair ... John and Jennifer Deaves with their baby Celestewww.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/1015052/Incest-pair-slammed.htmlThere are quite a number of incest pairs with or without children. They often argue that they are the victims of an unfair double standard which allows genetically sick people to marry and risk passing their defects on to their offspring, but only they are subject to the law. The genetically sick people aren't RELATED! Just looking at these 2 perverts is enough to make you nauseated. These perverts purposely leave out that the genetically sick people aren't RELATED. That's just another way they rationalize their sick evil. God help us. Dearest Pumpkinette, I understand the "sanctity of the family" matter as do most people and how incest crosses the line.
The most scary issue involved here i believe is this phenomenon called "Falling in Love". This "Falling in Love" is such a tragedy if it's with the wrong person. Aside from incest, there are same sex liasions, falling in love with criminals and all the other impossible or outlawed relations that this "falling in love" drives people to pursue at all costs.
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Post by jollyroger on Oct 7, 2010 21:40:02 GMT
It's no joke ~ did you see me laughing? Without testing, one can never be absolutely sure regardless what you've been told or believe to be true. Now, you say you're in love with this man... so, you dump him on the spot if you now find he's your half brother? I just think it's way easy to say what you'd do in any given situation, to claim something is 'EVIL!!!!' than to actually live it. 'Course, judging others is always easier than judging oneself. IF my fiance were related to me in any way, yes, I'd end our romantic relationship. He would also since he HATES evil incest and would want NO part of it. It's called doing the right thing OVER what's convenient and EASY. You seem to feel VERY strongly about this. Why? Perhaps I'm misreading the capitals, but I think Anna and Wonderwoman are right in what they imply - they may be distasteful to us, but evil? Really? Not just plain strange?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2010 14:30:12 GMT
If someone has a known genetic defect, it should now be possible to avoid passing this on to children using IVF and embryo screening.
The problem with incest is the potential to pass on two copies of some rare recessive defect that the shared parent is unaware of even having, so which can never be identified on embryo screening. I bet loads of us have such a defect in our genes, but so long as we breed only with people without it, it won't matter.
That is almost certainly why incest is is banned by law. But I can see nothing intrinsically wrong with two closely related people choosing to have sex together without having children, even though I do feel a little repelled by the idea. That's how taboo works, I suppose!
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Post by pumpkinette on Oct 8, 2010 14:39:53 GMT
If I didn't judge myself, I wouldn't have spent years working on recovery from alcoholism (will be 11 years sober October 16th) and working on recovering from the trauma of the murders in my family plus being abused by 1 parent until age 24. You HAVE to judge yourself to GET well and that's all there is to it. I also wouldn't own up to when I DO WRONG and resolve to do better the next time. There's been times I took way too long to acknowledge I was in the wrong! I haven't been perfect at all at times, but won't ever give up on being as perfect as possible in the long run. As far as saying that certain things are evil and always will be, I know the popular thing is to either BE SILENT and/or GO ALONG with stuff like incest (rationalize it, say it isn't "so bad", outright deny how evil it is, excuse peoples' actions even though their kids are victimized by their actions through health problems, etc., etc.). ###*** all that! I won't go along with it and people can pick apart my posts as much as they want, etc. and in the end it won't silence me and others who speak up about what IS evil and always will be. Didn't sound like you were 'alone' in that thinking, Pumpkin, so no need for the pulpit. Certainly, I wouldn't expect my responses to silence you, dear, and that would be quite the opposite of my intentions anyway. I just gotta laugh whenever the 'EVIL' screams begin over something that is consensual and between adults. Sure I may feel badly for the products of such a union, but lotsa people have children who, IMO, shouldn't, and I feel just as badly for those messed up kids. Just because something is consensual doesn't mean it isn't evil. There's a LOT of sins committed by people acting together, unfortunately. These 2 couldn't even be bothered to use birth control from the sounds of it. That fits with their whole sick mindset. If you're going to have sex KNOWINGLY with someone you're related to, then why bother with any OTHER form of responsibility? They don't even care that they're pervert ###*** so why bother with anything else?
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Post by pumpkinette on Oct 8, 2010 14:44:51 GMT
IF my fiance were related to me in any way, yes, I'd end our romantic relationship. He would also since he HATES evil incest and would want NO part of it. It's called doing the right thing OVER what's convenient and EASY. You seem to feel VERY strongly about this. Why? Perhaps I'm misreading the capitals, but I think Anna and Wonderwoman are right in what they imply - they may be distasteful to us, but evil? Really? Not just plain strange? Yes, I feel strongly about it! Some things are evil and always will be. These 2 are sick pervert ###***. You may want to read the links I posted earlier in the thread about how this evil incest destroys lives! Also, you just KNOW it's evil if you have a conscience of any kind. That's all there is to it. Unfortunately, it's very IN with many in the world to write off morals, etc. and then they willfully ignore the results. I'm guilty of it in some areas also, especially during my drinking years. I know 1st hand the HELL that comes of this way of thinking of no morals, do whatever, etc., etc. I also know 1st hand the results that incest has on people from once being friends with a victim of it plus my fiance has also seen the horrible results of this evil from people he knows and/or has known before.
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Post by pumpkinette on Oct 8, 2010 14:47:00 GMT
If someone has a known genetic defect, it should now be possible to avoid passing this on to children using IVF and embryo screening. The problem with incest is the potential to pass on two copies of some rare recessive defect that the shared parent is unaware of even having, so which can never be identified on embryo screening. I bet loads of us have such a defect in our genes, but so long as we breed only with people without it, it won't matter. That is almost certainly why incest is is banned by law. But I can see nothing intrinsically wrong with two closely related people choosing to have sex together without having children, even though I do feel a little repelled by the idea. That's how taboo works, I suppose! Have you ever bothered to read up on what this evil DOES to peoples' lives? Just wondering. There's also mental/emotional effects on people. It isn't JUST genetic problems that result.
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